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Re: Worst season to be a fan?

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:03 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
sjm34 wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:I just have the feeling Stauskas has the potential to be a plus defender in the NBA. He's reasonably athletic, and more importantly, has a nasty edge to him. He's a cocky guy who just doesn't think the other guy is better than him. And those kinds of guys often excel on defense. Don't think of this guy as just a shooter...he's much more than that.


I think he could be a cross between Kmart on offense with a better looking shot and a little more aggressive in slashing, and a Steve Blake on D if he gets a little stronger.


Except Stauskas can get to the rim better than K-Mart. He's a better athlete and more crafty in getting in the paint. Also not as dependent on FTs to boost scoring total. Steve Blake on D makes no sense to me. I feel like this is just another white-on-white comparison.

Re: Worst season to be a fan?

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:10 pm
by mjs34
Camden wrote:
sjm34 wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:I just have the feeling Stauskas has the potential to be a plus defender in the NBA. He's reasonably athletic, and more importantly, has a nasty edge to him. He's a cocky guy who just doesn't think the other guy is better than him. And those kinds of guys often excel on defense. Don't think of this guy as just a shooter...he's much more than that.


I think he could be a cross between Kmart on offense with a better looking shot and a little more aggressive in slashing, and a Steve Blake on D if he gets a little stronger.


Except Stauskas can get to the rim better than K-Mart. He's a better athlete and more crafty in getting in the paint. Also not as dependent on FTs to boost scoring total. Steve Blake on D makes no sense to me. I feel like this is just another white-on-white comparison.


Thanks for regurgitating what I just posted about his slashing, and I've seen nothing to believe he is a better athlete. Not as dependent on FT's, or not able to draw as many fouls. FT shooting is a good thing!

Steve Blake is a hardnosed player which makes him effective on D, but Stauskas is still a little fragile to D up NBA SG's.

Oh, and please leave the racism at home.

Re: Worst season to be a fan?

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:16 pm
by BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]
If Love would have gotten injured again this year, would everybody still be arguing for a 5 year deal? Hmm, I'll guess no.

Re: Worst season to be a fan?

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:18 pm
by KiwiMatt
lipoli390 wrote:
KiwiMatt wrote:I'm more optimistic about this teams future than others.

Finishing at .500 in a tough Western Conference is nothing to be disappointed about, especially with all the new faces on this roster. Look at all the teams ahead of us, they're established teams with low player turnovers and established cores.

We are not as far off as most people think. Look at Portland's transformation from last season to this season. It's the path we need to follow and a realistic one at that, without having to blow up the roster again.

These are the things that need to happen in the offseason for us to make the next step:

* Hire a defensive minded coach good at developing players (Hollins, Skiles etc).
* The continued development of Muhammad and Dieng.
* Draft the BPA with 1st round pick (provided we keep it).
* Upgrade the backup PG and PF's spots.
* Rubio becoming more of an scoring threat.


Matt - I like your optimism. I also think your analysis is reasonable and I agree with the five key steps you've identified. But I still don't think we can improve enough with Brewer and Martin as our starting wings for several reasons.

1. First, neither one is a good ball handler at their position and one of them, Brewer, is a terrible ball handler. So neither one scores well on dribble penetration and Ricky is forced to bear the starting unit's entire ball handling burden. A starting lineup with no good dribble penetration scorers is generally not a winning formula in the NBA and we have repeatedly seen the results down the stretch in close games. Meanwhile, bearing the entire ballhandling burden stresses Ricky's stamina, which I think negatively impacts his shooting and defense.

2. Second, Martin is a good overall scorer, but he's a terrible defender at a position that typically matches up against many of the best scorers in the League. It would be one thing if he were an average or slightly below average defender, but he's a really bad defender. And even on the offensive end, he's very inconsistent game to game. Even worse, he often becomes passive and actually hides in the offense or passes up shots in crunch time. I'd love him as a 6th man, but I think we need to improve over him at the starting SG spot if possible. I might see things differently if we had a better paint defender up front next to Love, but the lack of a stellar defender at the center position magnifies Martin's poor defense.

3. Third, Brewer is the reverse of Martin. He's a good defender, but poor offensive player. And his defense, while good, isn't great. I really like Brewer and can definitely see him as an important rotation player, but as a starting SF he falls short of what we need given the other players in our starting lineup.

So while I agree that improving our bench and hiring a better, defensive-minded head coach would definitely improve this team, I still think we have a fundamental flaw in our starting lineup that needs to be fixed. And I'm not confident that we can expect Shabazz and Dieng to become positive impact players next season. Meanwhile we have no cap room and limited trade prospects other than Love and Ricky unless we trade Pekovic.

Bottom line is this. You are right that there are reasons to be optimistic about this team's prospects. But I think it will take some really smart decisions by our front office this summer and a healthy dose of plain old luck to turn your optimistic vision into reality. Let's keep our fingers crossed.



Very correct on Martin and Brewer's flaws Lip, but lets face it could we have signed any better?

I'm happy with what they bring. Martin is the most prolific scoring SG we've ever had and Brewer has formed great chemistry with this starting unit so it would be hard and unfair to yank him. Brewer energy and fast break play is almost second to none in this league. Sure he can't shoot, but he does't need to next to Love, Martin and Pek.

I'll tell you now there isn't anything wrong with our starting lineup. It's with players 6, 7 and 8. Hopefully Bazz can develop in to a sixth man and Bud can get back to his best. But as I mentioned we desperately need a new back up PG and a back up PF. Barea needs to go, and Cunningham is at best a 10th man in the rotation not the 7th he's currently playing.

Sure up those spots and watch us make the leap next season that Portland has this season.

Re: Worst season to be a fan?

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:41 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
BizarroJerry wrote:If Love would have gotten injured again this year, would everybody still be arguing for a 5 year deal? Hmm, I'll guess no.



In related news, if Kevin Love averaged 8 ppg / 6 reb... we wouldn't want that 5th year either.

If Kevin Love was indicted for murder, we wouldn't want that 5th year.