Mcdaniels did not make all defense team

[FNG]

While there are a lot of elite defensive forwards in the Association, I'm gradually moving toward kek's view about Jaden as I read some national media reports. Someone tweeted that an All-Snub team of Dort, Jaden, AD, Giannis and Claxton might be better than the actual first team. Defense is so subjective though.

[Wolvesfan21]

Scottie Pippen avg 6.6 boards per game over his career, hit a career high at 8.9 at age 28.

Dennis Rodman a skinny primarily defensive dude avg 13.1 boards per game for his career.

Jaden is at 3.9 so far for his career. I get it he is many times guarding the shot taker or most difficult matchup. 3.9 isn't acceptable either way.

The Wolves were 27th in rebounding last year at 48.5%. Any guy who isn't avg or above avg we need to look at.

His contested rebound percentage was in the top half of the league. To me that is the most important rebounding stat. He probably won't ever be a great rebounder, but I don't think he needs to be. Pippen and Rodman are all time great players. He must be doing something right to be compared to those two guys.

Well maybe he is out of position too much instead of crashing the defensive board. I brought up Pippen because he was Chicagos best defender along with Rodman and both had good to super elite numbers (Rodman) on the glass. Simply showing you can be defending great players and rebound too, and showing what is possible (Rodman).

Rodman was spectacular and had a similar build as Jaden.

And I don't think it's a comparison either. 3.9 is not even close to 6.6 and 13.1. Just get to 5 or 5.5.

I can see you saying the game has changed in that more space is out there but then I could bring up modern day small guys who rebound, Westbrook for example. He's mostly guarding perimeter players and still grabbing boards (or was). Boards is mostly about want to and toughness. Rodman, Westbrook and Pippen were all "want to" guys.

The main factor is that the Wolves as a team are bad rebounding (27th in the NBA at 48.5%) so we have to figure out who is not getting boards because plenty are available. If the Wolves were near the top I wouldn't bring it up as a big issue, but they are losing games because of rebounding. It's the difference between the play in and a top 4 seed.

[Wolvesfan21]

The other thing is and this is probably the biggest point. Our size was suppose to give us an advantage on the boards. We got Rudy, KAT and Jaden, Ant has good length too. How the hell do we not a great rebounding team? We avg 7 foot between 3 guys starting the game. (sure KAT was out 50 games) "Let's run it back and then Rudy will miss 30 games and we can run it back again and again and again"

You just look at their size and you got to think we can't be almost last in rebounding. Rudy himself has proven to be elite himself, so who is not pulling their weight? It can't be all on the backups.

[Monster]

Scottie Pippen avg 6.6 boards per game over his career, hit a career high at 8.9 at age 28.

Dennis Rodman a skinny primarily defensive dude avg 13.1 boards per game for his career.

Jaden is at 3.9 so far for his career. I get it he is many times guarding the shot taker or most difficult matchup. 3.9 isn't acceptable either way.

The Wolves were 27th in rebounding last year at 48.5%. Any guy who isn't avg or above avg we need to look at.

His contested rebound percentage was in the top half of the league. To me that is the most important rebounding stat. He probably won't ever be a great rebounder, but I don't think he needs to be. Pippen and Rodman are all time great players. He must be doing something right to be compared to those two guys.

Well maybe he is out of position too much instead of crashing the defensive board. I brought up Pippen because he was Chicagos best defender along with Rodman and both had good to super elite numbers (Rodman) on the glass. Simply showing you can be defending great players and rebound too, and showing what is possible (Rodman).

Rodman was spectacular and had a similar build as Jaden.

And I don't think it's a comparison either. 3.9 is not even close to 6.6 and 13.1. Just get to 5 or 5.5.

I can see you saying the game has changed in that more space is out there but then I could bring up modern day small guys who rebound, Westbrook for example. He's mostly guarding perimeter players and still grabbing boards (or was). Boards is mostly about want to and toughness. Rodman, Westbrook and Pippen were all "want to" guys.

The main factor is that the Wolves as a team are bad rebounding (27th in the NBA at 48.5%) so we have to figure out who is not getting boards because plenty are available. If the Wolves were near the top I wouldn't bring it up as a big issue, but they are losing games because of rebounding. It's the difference between the play in and a top 4 seed.

If we are gonna poke holes in guys games based on basic stats Rodman only averaged over 10 points PPG once in his career which started when he was 25.

[Monster]

The other thing is and this is probably the biggest point. Our size was suppose to give us an advantage on the boards. We got Rudy, KAT and Jaden, Ant has good length too. How the hell do we not a great rebounding team? We avg 7 foot between 3 guys starting the game. (sure KAT was out 50 games) "Let's run it back and then Rudy will miss 30 games and we can run it back again and again and again"

You just look at their size and you got to think we can't be almost last in rebounding. Rudy himself has proven to be elite himself, so who is not pulling their weight? It can't be all on the backups.

I do think that the Wolves rebounding is still a problem but it’s worth mentioning Anderson is a well below average rebounder for a PF and not exactly a huge guy for that position. The Wolves could still use an energy rebounder on their roster. Minott has a chance to help in that regard.

[Wolvesfan21]

His contested rebound percentage was in the top half of the league. To me that is the most important rebounding stat. He probably won't ever be a great rebounder, but I don't think he needs to be. Pippen and Rodman are all time great players. He must be doing something right to be compared to those two guys.

Well maybe he is out of position too much instead of crashing the defensive board. I brought up Pippen because he was Chicagos best defender along with Rodman and both had good to super elite numbers (Rodman) on the glass. Simply showing you can be defending great players and rebound too, and showing what is possible (Rodman).

Rodman was spectacular and had a similar build as Jaden.

And I don't think it's a comparison either. 3.9 is not even close to 6.6 and 13.1. Just get to 5 or 5.5.

I can see you saying the game has changed in that more space is out there but then I could bring up modern day small guys who rebound, Westbrook for example. He's mostly guarding perimeter players and still grabbing boards (or was). Boards is mostly about want to and toughness. Rodman, Westbrook and Pippen were all "want to" guys.

The main factor is that the Wolves as a team are bad rebounding (27th in the NBA at 48.5%) so we have to figure out who is not getting boards because plenty are available. If the Wolves were near the top I wouldn't bring it up as a big issue, but they are losing games because of rebounding. It's the difference between the play in and a top 4 seed.

If we are gonna poke holes in guys games based on basic stats Rodman only averaged over 10 points PPG once in his career which started when he was 25.

I don't know if you watched him play or not, but he was certainly no offensive player. His skill set was a Vando type on steroids. I was looking at his stats and he almost averaged 19 boards in a season. Could you imagine?

I do think rebounding should be considered for sure as part of a defensive player of the year award or all defensive team.

I hope Jaden can improve that aspect. Blocks, steals and challenging the shot are important. But a good defensive possession only results with a rebound too. You got to do everything IMO, also not foul at a high rate as well, which was a good point someone else mentioned.

I think it's fair to poke holes in someones game. It's ok to be a fan of the player and still acknowledge weaknesses too.

[Coolbreeze44]

Just reading the Athletic and the article polling the players. McDaniels finished 6th on the question of who's the best defensive player. Jrue Holiday won easily followed buy Dort and Lopez. Jaden finished ahead of Giannis, Jaren Jackson, Draymond, Mobley, and Bridges. Not too shabby for a guy who doesn't rebound, eh?

[Monster]

Well maybe he is out of position too much instead of crashing the defensive board. I brought up Pippen because he was Chicagos best defender along with Rodman and both had good to super elite numbers (Rodman) on the glass. Simply showing you can be defending great players and rebound too, and showing what is possible (Rodman).

Rodman was spectacular and had a similar build as Jaden.

And I don't think it's a comparison either. 3.9 is not even close to 6.6 and 13.1. Just get to 5 or 5.5.

I can see you saying the game has changed in that more space is out there but then I could bring up modern day small guys who rebound, Westbrook for example. He's mostly guarding perimeter players and still grabbing boards (or was). Boards is mostly about want to and toughness. Rodman, Westbrook and Pippen were all "want to" guys.

The main factor is that the Wolves as a team are bad rebounding (27th in the NBA at 48.5%) so we have to figure out who is not getting boards because plenty are available. If the Wolves were near the top I wouldn't bring it up as a big issue, but they are losing games because of rebounding. It's the difference between the play in and a top 4 seed.

If we are gonna poke holes in guys games based on basic stats Rodman only averaged over 10 points PPG once in his career which started when he was 25.

I don't know if you watched him play or not, but he was certainly no offensive player. His skill set was a Vando type on steroids. I was looking at his stats and he almost averaged 19 boards in a season. Could you imagine?

I do think rebounding should be considered for sure as part of a defensive player of the year award or all defensive team.

I hope Jaden can improve that aspect. Blocks, steals and challenging the shot are important. But a good defensive possession only results with a rebound too. You got to do everything IMO, also not foul at a high rate as well, which was a good point someone else mentioned.

I think it's fair to poke holes in someones game. It's ok to be a fan of the player and still acknowledge weaknesses too.

Rodman is one of my all time favorite players. I even liked him when he played for Detroit and I didn’t like the Pistons all that much back then. He was also an asset on offense later in his career despite not scoring. It’s kinda weird to be like McDaniels isn’t a good rebounder then comparing him to Rodman literally one of the best rebounders of all time just because they sorta compare physically. Any excuse to talk about Roman is a win though.

What McDaniels has going for him is being a really good maybe elite defender with some real offensive upside. This thread is about defense and whether or not McDaniels is grabbing rebounds his ability to defend is high level. It seems likely he will only get better there and it’s also possible his rebounding goes from underwhelming to something more adequate. He plays both ends more like a guard than a big…except when he comes over to give some help defense. There is positives and negative from that. It’s worth mentioning again the guy is 22 and already reached a pretty nice level of all around play. What if he improves as a defender each of the next 3 years and still hasn’t turned 26 yet?

[60WinTim]

I know it's mostly an individual award, but team success is frequently a factor when voters evaluate guys, even if they try not to consider it. A few more wins with Wolves in the top 4 and a few more votes may have swung Jaden's way. The fact his name gets mentioned now will only help in future years.

[Carlos Danger]

I know it's mostly an individual award, but team success is frequently a factor when voters evaluate guys, even if they try not to consider it. A few more wins with Wolves in the top 4 and a few more votes may have swung Jaden's way. The fact his name gets mentioned now will only help in future years.

Yup. That and (similar to All Star recognition) often it takes an extra (prove it) year to get that that first honor. Hopefully he uses it as fuel to come back better. Would have been nice to see him show case his talents in the playoffs...