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FNG wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 3:45 pm
And while Julius and Zion's offensive bully ball style is similar, Zion is practically unstoppable when he gets downhill (and Rudy's high screens would get him going downhill more frequently), and he is much less prone to having the ball poked away. Zion is an elite offensive player, as you can tell by comparing him to our own Anthony Edwards...Zion averages 37.1 points per 100 possessions compared to Ant's 34. And he is so efficient on his drives to the basket, his TS% is almost 6 percentage points higher than Ant's despite almost no 3-pointers.

Where are you getting these per 100 numbers? Is that a career average?

This year aant scored 39.4 pts per 100; Zion 33.5

In 25': Ant- 37.5; Zion- 41.2

24': 36.7; 35.3

Ant wins two out of the three most recent, but Zion had a higher peak.
Here's the average of those 3 years:

Ant: 37.9
Zion:36.6

All that said, your point still stands, Zion is an incredible offensive player and him and Ant would form one of most dynamic one, two punches in the league no doubt.
Just the geometric problem that they would present would be quite the treat.

That said, Zion grosses me out with the allegations he has faced, I simply wouldn't touch him

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 4:02 pm

FNG wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 3:45 pm
And while Julius and Zion's offensive bully ball style is similar, Zion is practically unstoppable when he gets downhill (and Rudy's high screens would get him going downhill more frequently), and he is much less prone to having the ball poked away. Zion is an elite offensive player, as you can tell by comparing him to our own Anthony Edwards...Zion averages 37.1 points per 100 possessions compared to Ant's 34. And he is so efficient on his drives to the basket, his TS% is almost 6 percentage points higher than Ant's despite almost no 3-pointers.

Where are you getting these per 100 numbers? Is that a career average?

This year aant scored 39.4 pts per 100; Zion 33.5

In 25': Ant- 37.5; Zion- 41.2

24': 36.7; 35.3

Ant wins two out of the three most recent, but Zion had a higher peak.
Here's the average of those 3 years:

Ant: 37.9
Zion:36.6

All that said, your point still stands, Zion is an incredible offensive player and him and Ant would form one of most dynamic one, two punches in the league no doubt.
Just the geometric problem that they would present would be quite the treat.

That said, Zion grosses me out with the allegations he has faced, I simply wouldn't touch him

Yes, I went with career numbers…both are clearly elite scorers.

But you raise a good point about the allegations, although nothing has been proven. Still I don’t know that either Zion or Ant are going to win any good citizen of the year awards!

When was the last time the Wolves had something that teams couldn't deal with? Never? Zion and Ant would cause some real problems for opposing defenses. That is worth exploring but I'm not a fan of putting Joan in the deal. I'm wondering how the Pels would view Rudy.

FNG wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 4:12 pm

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 4:02 pm

FNG wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 3:45 pm
And while Julius and Zion's offensive bully ball style is similar, Zion is practically unstoppable when he gets downhill (and Rudy's high screens would get him going downhill more frequently), and he is much less prone to having the ball poked away. Zion is an elite offensive player, as you can tell by comparing him to our own Anthony Edwards...Zion averages 37.1 points per 100 possessions compared to Ant's 34. And he is so efficient on his drives to the basket, his TS% is almost 6 percentage points higher than Ant's despite almost no 3-pointers.

Where are you getting these per 100 numbers? Is that a career average?

This year aant scored 39.4 pts per 100; Zion 33.5

In 25': Ant- 37.5; Zion- 41.2

24': 36.7; 35.3

Ant wins two out of the three most recent, but Zion had a higher peak.
Here's the average of those 3 years:

Ant: 37.9
Zion:36.6

All that said, your point still stands, Zion is an incredible offensive player and him and Ant would form one of most dynamic one, two punches in the league no doubt.
Just the geometric problem that they would present would be quite the treat.

That said, Zion grosses me out with the allegations he has faced, I simply wouldn't touch him

Yes, I went with career numbers…both are clearly elite scorers.

But you raise a good point about the allegations, although nothing has been proven. Still I don’t know that either Zion or Ant are going to win any good citizen of the year awards!

Gotcha, I was just confused cause your numbers were different.

Nothing is likey to be "proven" it's a civil suit and my guess is it gets settled out of court. That said the allegations are ... disturbing and if they happened would be extremely illegal (even if he never faces time).
To my knowledge Ant hasn't been accused of anything illegal and his "not winning citizens of the year" mostly comes down to individual moral preferences (again, this is just based on my understanding)

I normally don't care to get into this stuff, but it would be extremely disappointing if the Wolves added Zion

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 4:19 pm

FNG wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 4:12 pm

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 4:02 pm
Where are you getting these per 100 numbers? Is that a career average?

This year aant scored 39.4 pts per 100; Zion 33.5

In 25': Ant- 37.5; Zion- 41.2

24': 36.7; 35.3

Ant wins two out of the three most recent, but Zion had a higher peak.
Here's the average of those 3 years:

Ant: 37.9
Zion:36.6

All that said, your point still stands, Zion is an incredible offensive player and him and Ant would form one of most dynamic one, two punches in the league no doubt.
Just the geometric problem that they would present would be quite the treat.

That said, Zion grosses me out with the allegations he has faced, I simply wouldn't touch him

Yes, I went with career numbers…both are clearly elite scorers.

But you raise a good point about the allegations, although nothing has been proven. Still I don’t know that either Zion or Ant are going to win any good citizen of the year awards!

Gotcha, I was just confused cause your numbers were different.

Nothing is likey to be "proven" it's a civil suit and my guess is it gets settled out of court. That said the allegations are ... disturbing and if they happened would be extremely illegal (even if he never faces time).
To my knowledge Ant hasn't been accused of anything illegal and his "not winning citizens of the year" mostly comes down to individual moral preferences (again, this is just based on my understanding)

I normally don't care to get into this stuff, but it would be extremely disappointing if the Wolves added Zion

Character seems to matter a lot to TC, so I'm sure the allegations will be a factor in his decision. And I agree that the allegations, if true, are uglier than Ant's transgressions.

FNG wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 4:42 pm

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 4:19 pm

FNG wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2026 4:12 pm

Yes, I went with career numbers…both are clearly elite scorers.

But you raise a good point about the allegations, although nothing has been proven. Still I don’t know that either Zion or Ant are going to win any good citizen of the year awards!

Gotcha, I was just confused cause your numbers were different.

Nothing is likey to be "proven" it's a civil suit and my guess is it gets settled out of court. That said the allegations are ... disturbing and if they happened would be extremely illegal (even if he never faces time).
To my knowledge Ant hasn't been accused of anything illegal and his "not winning citizens of the year" mostly comes down to individual moral preferences (again, this is just based on my understanding)

I normally don't care to get into this stuff, but it would be extremely disappointing if the Wolves added Zion

Character seems to matter a lot to TC, so I'm sure the allegations will be a factor in his decision. And I agree that the allegations, if true, are uglier than Ant's transgressions.

Not only character, but “connective tissue” as well. I don’t think Zion Wii be a target for TC. I have my doubts about Kawhi, too.

I know Zion was lighter to start this season how did that pan out? He is a big dude regardless but it seems clear to me for a number of years he had issues there especially since he had problems staying healthy. Of course being injured would also factor into him possibly being overweight but yeah.

If the latest Windhorst rumor about Ant's thoughts about the roster is true, it seems like the options most here wanted (trade Ju for role players or cap space) are not what Ant wants...I don't either, but perhaps for different reasons. I continue to think we need another star to put next to him if we want to be in the chip conversation, and my choices would be Kyrie or Kawhi...and I don't think Ant would reject either idea. Either would create a true powerhouse 1A and 1B situation, and if it were Kawhi, Ant would suddenly become 1B...and what a 1B!

TC has probably already had extensive talks with Ant, because the last thing he wants is an unhappy Ant. And if Ant is really looking for a big upgrade in the roster, TC is going to have to swing for the fences in search of a deal that brings in a true top 10 player. Ju's poor finish to the season doesn't make TC's job any easier and we'll likely have to include a piece like Donte plus draft capital. But never doubt TC's ability to get something done. The offseason just got more interesting...

FNG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2026 3:41 pm If the latest Windhorst rumor about Ant's thoughts about the roster is true, it seems like the options most here wanted (trade Ju for role players or cap space) are not what Ant wants...

Is this what we're actually supposed to take from the supposed report?
It's a bunch of vague shit from the national media that the local beat could have told you weeks ago. Of course he's not happy with the roster, cause he not an idiot and see what we all see. We have no idea what he actually thinks should be done about it.
And if the FO wants to go all in on the 27' season and bring in Kyrie, they'll be sure to regret it. Not because it can't work, but because all in moves for one season are such a fucking gamble and if it doesn't work you're completely stretched out and don't really have much you can do except hope for miraculous organic growth

AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2026 6:17 pm

FNG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2026 3:41 pm If the latest Windhorst rumor about Ant's thoughts about the roster is true, it seems like the options most here wanted (trade Ju for role players or cap space) are not what Ant wants...

Is this what we're actually supposed to take from the supposed report?
It's a bunch of vague shit from the national media that the local beat could have told you weeks ago. Of course he's not happy with the roster, cause he not an idiot and see what we all see. We have no idea what he actually thinks should be done about it.
And if the FO wants to go all in on the 27' season and bring in Kyrie, they'll be sure to regret it. Not because it can't work, but because all in moves for one season are such a fucking gamble and if it doesn't work you're completely stretched out and don't really have much you can do except hope for miraculous organic growth

Aussie, I think there's a big difference between a star player wanting the roster to be better, and telling Windy or Shams you want the roster to be better. NBA players, even NBA players who aren't very bright, know that if you want to stir things up, you talk to one of the leakers. TC has a choice here: he can ignore Ant's "public" comment and risk what happens to so many teams when their "superstar" is unhappy (#countlessExamplesOfStarsAskingToGetOut) or listen to what he wants and try to make the best deal he can, if he believes the team's best chance to win a chip is keeping Ant happy. The ball is in TC's court...how he responds will tell us a lot about what he thinks about Ant.