2019 Twins Thread

[Monster]

A bunch of numbers that probably tell is what we probably already thing but still interesting. One thing I noticed was Gleeman said he has a below average arm which is the opposite of what Jester reported. I've been kinda watching his throws after Jester made that comment.

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/52423/banjo-hitter-luis-arraez-line-drive-machine/

I think the bottom of his article says it's all. His floor his a .285 with half a dozen home runs. I don't remember commenting on Arraez arm. I still see him as our starting 2020 2nd basemen no matter what.

This was the post I was referring to maybe I misinterpreted what you wrote:

monsterpile wrote:
jester1534 wrote:
I announce that the Schoop experiment is over and Arraez should be there starting 2nd baseman going forward

IMO It's nice to have both guys. I know Scoop had been on a bit of a hot streak the last few games. How is Arraez in the field? I've heard he doesn't have the best range at 2nd.

He only has -1.2 UZR so his range isn't terrible. To compare this Brian Dozier level. He's supposed to have the strongest arm in the league for a 2nd baseman.

Oh I see it should say schoop has the strongest arm in the league. Which he does for a 2nd basemen. Just really bad grammar and sentence structure by me.

Gotcha no problem. I'm only asking these things because I am genuinely curious. There isn't a lot of scouting reports about most guy's defense so it's nice to get some thoughts about people watch the game more than me. I know Roy Smalley has said positive things about Schoop's defense. I think he tends to be more positive on guys but I don't think he says a guy is good when he isn't. I can't remember which podcast it was that pointed out that the reality about schoop is that he is having a year that aligns right up with his career averages. He isn't having a bad year just doing what he has been doing aside from that one AS year which now looks like was the aberration not a thing to come. What is fortunate about the season is that Arraez got his opportunity and is running with it. Hopefully Schoop can still contribute some positive value down the stretch.

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Did anyone else catch the talk about how Polanco is a poor fielder on routine plays and has throwing issues?

[Jester1534]

Did anyone else catch the talk about how Polanco is a poor fielder on routine plays and has throwing issues?

Yes, but I'm in the camp that he's been playing hurt all year. I find it interesting the Twins are thinking of switching Lewis to CF. I wonder if there's a chance the twins trade Rosario after this year. His value is never going to be higher, kind of like Dozier a couple years ago.

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Didn't hear that about Lewis. Would they consider trading Buxton before Rosario?

[Jester1534]

Didn't hear that about Lewis. Would they consider trading Buxton before Rosario?

Yeah was listening to Gleeman and he said scouts are pretty much split on Lewis sticking at SS. I would take 3 years of 25 year old Buxton over 3 years of 27 year old of Rosario. I like Rosario flare but the man puts up empty stats just like Wiggins.

Stats of the Day on how Eddie Rosario. Since June 16th he's had 4 walks. Yes only 4 and one of those intentional and one was from the other night where they did the old intentional unintentional walk. He's swinging at almost 50% of balls out the strike zone. Yes he's one of the best bad ball hitters I've ever seen but he's been in league what 6 years now get some plate discipline.

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It is more about injuries with Buxton for me. Not sure he ever overcomes that.

[Monster]

Didn't hear that about Lewis. Would they consider trading Buxton before Rosario?

Yeah was listening to Gleeman and he said scouts are pretty much split on Lewis sticking at SS. I would take 3 years of 25 year old Buxton over 3 years of 27 year old of Rosario. I like Rosario flare but the man puts up empty stats just like Wiggins.

Stats of the Day on how Eddie Rosario. Since June 16th he's had 4 walks. Yes only 4 and one of those intentional and one was from the other night where they did the old intentional unintentional walk. He's swinging at almost 50% of balls out the strike zone. Yes he's one of the best bad ball hitters I've ever seen but he's been in league what 6 years now get some plate discipline.

Roy Smalley has said Rosario had a better plan of what he was swinging at and I believe that included last year but early on he was doing well. Regardless of walks he isn't doing as well. My brother wonders about his ankle and there he can push off that like he normally would. Yes guys are signed up but it was less than 2 weeks ago I saw him come around 3rd with a hitch in his giddy up. Regardless he has just been a power hitter that's in for a couple months. Hopefully he gets healthy and on a hot streak going into the playoffs. Sometimes those bad ball hitters have a certain value in Playoff games

Saying Rosario is putting up empty stats seems pretty harsh. Now on the other hand what are you willing to pay him? This team's outfielders are an interesting bunch. A few months ago Kepler was the I derwhelomg guy and now he looks terrific and locked in for a very reasonable deal. Before Rosario broke out a couple years ago he was a trade candidate.

I don't watch entire games but I personally don't worry about Polonco's defense. Even if it was a bit worrisome his bat makes up for it. Where else is he gonna play? If Lewis forces your hand that's fine a 300+ hitting SS would command a massive return especially signed to the deal Polonco is on.

Edit: I said Rosario was just a power hitter the past 2 months and that isn't even really that true.

Rosario has 3 years left of arbitration. It would be interesting to know what the trade market would be for him although that's not something I'm really excited about though I know he is a flawed player.

[Jester1534]

Didn't hear that about Lewis. Would they consider trading Buxton before Rosario?

Yeah was listening to Gleeman and he said scouts are pretty much split on Lewis sticking at SS. I would take 3 years of 25 year old Buxton over 3 years of 27 year old of Rosario. I like Rosario flare but the man puts up empty stats just like Wiggins.

Stats of the Day on how Eddie Rosario. Since June 16th he's had 4 walks. Yes only 4 and one of those intentional and one was from the other night where they did the old intentional unintentional walk. He's swinging at almost 50% of balls out the strike zone. Yes he's one of the best bad ball hitters I've ever seen but he's been in league what 6 years now get some plate discipline.

Roy Smalley has said Rosario had a better plan of what he was swinging at and I believe that included last year but early on he was doing well. Regardless of walks he isn't doing as well. My brother wonders about his ankle and there he can push off that like he normally would. Yes guys are signed up but it was less than 2 weeks ago I saw him come around 3rd with a hitch in his giddy up. Regardless he has just been a power hitter that's in for a couple months. Hopefully he gets healthy and on a hot streak going into the playoffs. Sometimes those bad ball hitters have a certain value in Playoff games

Saying Rosario is putting up empty stats seems pretty harsh. Now on the other hand what are you willing to pay him? This team's outfielders are an interesting bunch. A few months ago Kepler was the I derwhelomg guy and now he looks terrific and locked in for a very reasonable deal. Before Rosario broke out a couple years ago he was a trade candidate.

I don't watch entire games but I personally don't worry about Polonco's defense. Even if it was a bit worrisome his bat makes up for it. Where else is he gonna play? If Lewis forces your hand that's fine a 300+ hitting SS would command a massive return especially signed to the deal Polonco is on.

Edit: I said Rosario was just a power hitter the past 2 months and that isn't even really that true.

Rosario has 3 years left of arbitration. It would be interesting to know what the trade market would be for him although that's not something I'm really excited about though I know he is a flawed player.

Sorry monster you won't change my mind on this. Rosario talent level is the most over blowin on the whole roster because people love him. Maybe Wiggins isn't a fair comparison but Ricky Rubio is and I'm a Rubio guy.

Aaron Hicks 2017
131 G 480 ABS 90 R 119 Hits 27HR 79RBI 248 AVG .366 OBP .833 OPS

Rosario 2019
105 G 427ABS 74R 119 Hits 27HR 82RBI
.279 AVG (.303 OBP) .821OPS

So he's basically going to out hit Aaron Hicks by his best year. I choose Aaron to show how good a line up can help a player. As I highlighted above the OBP atrocious number for a 4 hitter. Also he is below average in OPS because of his low walk rate. I would make argument that Aaron
Hicks is the better player because of his defense when both are healthy.

The Yankees gave Hicks 7 years 70 Mil

Edit: On Kepler I've always been willing to trade
him because I never saw him hitting left handed pitching like he has this year. But I've always said there's never been a prospect like him from Europe so his development cycle is way different than most players.

[Monster]

Didn't hear that about Lewis. Would they consider trading Buxton before Rosario?

Yeah was listening to Gleeman and he said scouts are pretty much split on Lewis sticking at SS. I would take 3 years of 25 year old Buxton over 3 years of 27 year old of Rosario. I like Rosario flare but the man puts up empty stats just like Wiggins.

Stats of the Day on how Eddie Rosario. Since June 16th he's had 4 walks. Yes only 4 and one of those intentional and one was from the other night where they did the old intentional unintentional walk. He's swinging at almost 50% of balls out the strike zone. Yes he's one of the best bad ball hitters I've ever seen but he's been in league what 6 years now get some plate discipline.

Roy Smalley has said Rosario had a better plan of what he was swinging at and I believe that included last year but early on he was doing well. Regardless of walks he isn't doing as well. My brother wonders about his ankle and there he can push off that like he normally would. Yes guys are signed up but it was less than 2 weeks ago I saw him come around 3rd with a hitch in his giddy up. Regardless he has just been a power hitter that's in for a couple months. Hopefully he gets healthy and on a hot streak going into the playoffs. Sometimes those bad ball hitters have a certain value in Playoff games

Saying Rosario is putting up empty stats seems pretty harsh. Now on the other hand what are you willing to pay him? This team's outfielders are an interesting bunch. A few months ago Kepler was the I derwhelomg guy and now he looks terrific and locked in for a very reasonable deal. Before Rosario broke out a couple years ago he was a trade candidate.

I don't watch entire games but I personally don't worry about Polonco's defense. Even if it was a bit worrisome his bat makes up for it. Where else is he gonna play? If Lewis forces your hand that's fine a 300+ hitting SS would command a massive return especially signed to the deal Polonco is on.

Edit: I said Rosario was just a power hitter the past 2 months and that isn't even really that true.

Rosario has 3 years left of arbitration. It would be interesting to know what the trade market would be for him although that's not something I'm really excited about though I know he is a flawed player.

Sorry monster you won't change my mind on this. Rosario talent level is the most over blowin on the whole roster because people love him. Maybe Wiggins isn't a fair comparison but Ricky Rubio is and I'm a Rubio guy.

Aaron Hicks 2017
131 G 480 ABS 90 R 119 Hits 27HR 79RBI 248 AVG .366 OBP .833 OPS

Rosario 2019
105 G 427ABS 74R 119 Hits 27HR 82RBI
.279 AVG (.303 OBP) .821OPS

So he's basically going to out hit Aaron Hicks by his best year. I choose Aaron to show how good a line up can help a player. As I highlighted above the OBP atrocious number for a 4 hitter. Also he is below average in OPS because of his low walk rate. I would make argument that Aaron
Hicks is the better player because of his defense when both are healthy.

The Yankees gave Hicks 7 years 70 Mil

Edit: On Kepler I've always been willing to trade
him because I never saw him hitting left handed pitching like he has this year. But I've always said there's never been a prospect like him from Europe so his development cycle is way different than most players.

You are more preaching to the choir here. I've been watching condensed games where "who would you rather have up here than Rosario" things have been said on the broadcast. Lol That said I don't really know how Rosario is viewed overall. I know what my take is. He is a good player but isn't performing at a high level the last few months and I wouldn't put him as a core player. Where he deserves to hit is up for debate especially if we are actually healthy and other guys perform. He is probably something of a much more likeable much less whacky Puig. I'd be happy to pay Rosario 10 million a year but probably not for 7 years! If Rosario wants a lot more than that he can just keep getting his arbitration raises* and I'll wait till either an obvious deal to trade him comes along and/or an obvious replacement comes along. The Twins will have some hard decisions to make coming up. They aren't going to get them all correct.

*is there a good place to go to get an explanation of how the numbers for arbitration players is set? Is there some sort of formula or is it fairly subjective?

[Jester1534]

Didn't hear that about Lewis. Would they consider trading Buxton before Rosario?

Yeah was listening to Gleeman and he said scouts are pretty much split on Lewis sticking at SS. I would take 3 years of 25 year old Buxton over 3 years of 27 year old of Rosario. I like Rosario flare but the man puts up empty stats just like Wiggins.

Stats of the Day on how Eddie Rosario. Since June 16th he's had 4 walks. Yes only 4 and one of those intentional and one was from the other night where they did the old intentional unintentional walk. He's swinging at almost 50% of balls out the strike zone. Yes he's one of the best bad ball hitters I've ever seen but he's been in league what 6 years now get some plate discipline.

Roy Smalley has said Rosario had a better plan of what he was swinging at and I believe that included last year but early on he was doing well. Regardless of walks he isn't doing as well. My brother wonders about his ankle and there he can push off that like he normally would. Yes guys are signed up but it was less than 2 weeks ago I saw him come around 3rd with a hitch in his giddy up. Regardless he has just been a power hitter that's in for a couple months. Hopefully he gets healthy and on a hot streak going into the playoffs. Sometimes those bad ball hitters have a certain value in Playoff games

Saying Rosario is putting up empty stats seems pretty harsh. Now on the other hand what are you willing to pay him? This team's outfielders are an interesting bunch. A few months ago Kepler was the I derwhelomg guy and now he looks terrific and locked in for a very reasonable deal. Before Rosario broke out a couple years ago he was a trade candidate.

I don't watch entire games but I personally don't worry about Polonco's defense. Even if it was a bit worrisome his bat makes up for it. Where else is he gonna play? If Lewis forces your hand that's fine a 300+ hitting SS would command a massive return especially signed to the deal Polonco is on.

Edit: I said Rosario was just a power hitter the past 2 months and that isn't even really that true.

Rosario has 3 years left of arbitration. It would be interesting to know what the trade market would be for him although that's not something I'm really excited about though I know he is a flawed player.

Sorry monster you won't change my mind on this. Rosario talent level is the most over blowin on the whole roster because people love him. Maybe Wiggins isn't a fair comparison but Ricky Rubio is and I'm a Rubio guy.

Aaron Hicks 2017
131 G 480 ABS 90 R 119 Hits 27HR 79RBI 248 AVG .366 OBP .833 OPS

Rosario 2019
105 G 427ABS 74R 119 Hits 27HR 82RBI
.279 AVG (.303 OBP) .821OPS

So he's basically going to out hit Aaron Hicks by his best year. I choose Aaron to show how good a line up can help a player. As I highlighted above the OBP atrocious number for a 4 hitter. Also he is below average in OPS because of his low walk rate. I would make argument that Aaron
Hicks is the better player because of his defense when both are healthy.

The Yankees gave Hicks 7 years 70 Mil

Edit: On Kepler I've always been willing to trade
him because I never saw him hitting left handed pitching like he has this year. But I've always said there's never been a prospect like him from Europe so his development cycle is way different than most players.

You are more preaching to the choir here. I've been watching condensed games where "who would you rather have up here than Rosario" things have been said on the broadcast. Lol That said I don't really know how Rosario is viewed overall. I know what my take is. He is a good player but isn't performing at a high level the last few months and I wouldn't put him as a core player. Where he deserves to hit is up for debate especially if we are actually healthy and other guys perform. He is probably something of a much more likeable much less whacky Puig. I'd be happy to pay Rosario 10 million a year but probably not for 7 years! If Rosario wants a lot more than that he can just keep getting his arbitration raises* and I'll wait till either an obvious deal to trade him comes along and/or an obvious replacement comes along. The Twins will have some hard decisions to make coming up. They aren't going to get them all correct.

*is there a good place to go to get an explanation of how the numbers for arbitration players is set? Is there some sort of formula or is it fairly subjective?

I'm not saying we have anyone better right now but we could sign a veteran in the offseason and wait two months for Killrioff to be ready next year.

The beat way is to find someone with stats like Rosario and look at sportrac and see what they got. There's not a really good way :/