Wolves v Heat GDT

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Camden wrote:I don't necessarily disagree with that take, Lip, but I don't think booing the team right now makes anything better or even makes much sense given that they're actually winning games while still transitioning into the team they want to become, and likely still need the crowd's energy to feed off of. Remember that it's still very early. We're not even at the 20-game mark and they're showing tangible signs of getting better, believe it or not. I've illustrated that in other posts within this thread.

Also, every time they miss a shot, make a mistake and/or give up a run to the opposing team, they know it and feel it as much or more than we do as fans. It's their last names on their backs. They face the backlash for this experiment not working out or failing to meet expectations. Several of these players are in contract years on top of that. Now I'm not suggesting for fans to praise or applaud the team when they're playing poorly, but rather don't pour gas on the fire with boos, especially if they're not getting loud and cheering when the team is on a roll. Target Center does not have the reputation of being a tough place to play in for visitors for a reason. Our fans are noticeably quiet more often than not. So, again, why the booing? It solves nothing. It helps nothing.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TYVvseoMPo

Finchy's post-game presser last night. His comment on the first half: "We just didn't play very hard." Those were his exact words. And Rudy's whining about being booed??!! The right response by a $40 million per year veteran leader to the boos should have been something like the following: "Coming out flat the way we did at home for an entire half against an undermanned team on the tail end of a back-to-back was inexcusable if we expect to be a contender in this League. I don't like to be booed, but I can understand why they booed us. At the same time, I can't say enough about the way my teammates stepped up in the second half and turned those boos into cheers." Rudy's whining set a horrible example for our young budding star, Edwards, who not surprisingly echoed Rudy's whining about the boos.
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lipoli390 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TYVvseoMPo

Finchy's post-game presser last night. His comment on the first half: "We just didn't play very hard." Those were his exact words. And Rudy's whining about being booed??!! The right response by a $40 million per year veteran leader to the boos should have been something like the following: "Coming out flat the way we did at home for an entire half against an undermanned team on the tail end of a back-to-back was inexcusable if we expect to be a contender in this League. I don't like to be booed, but I can understand why they booed us. At the same time, I can't say enough about the way my teammates stepped up in the second half and turned those boos into cheers." Rudy's whining set a horrible example for our young budding star, Edwards, who not surprisingly echoed Rudy's whining about the boos.


They won the game Lip
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These players see every fan base in the league. Cant be a good thing when they point out booing. Doubt Rudy saw much booing in Utah.
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Camden wrote:I don't necessarily disagree with that take, Lip, but I don't think booing the team right now makes anything better or even makes much sense given that they're actually winning games while still transitioning into the team they want to become, and likely still need the crowd's energy to feed off of. Remember that it's still very early. We're not even at the 20-game mark and they're showing tangible signs of getting better, believe it or not. I've illustrated that in other posts within this thread.

Also, every time they miss a shot, make a mistake and/or give up a run to the opposing team, they know it and feel it as much or more than we do as fans. It's their last names on their backs. They face the backlash for this experiment not working out or failing to meet expectations. Several of these players are in contract years on top of that. Now I'm not suggesting for fans to praise or applaud the team when they're playing poorly, but rather don't pour gas on the fire with boos, especially if they're not getting loud and cheering when the team is on a roll. Target Center does not have the reputation of being a tough place to play in for visitors for a reason. Our fans are noticeably quiet more often than not. So, again, why the booing? It solves nothing. It helps nothing.


I don't think it makes sense to expect fans to be strategic, which is really what you're suggesting. You know as much as anyone that being a fan is an emotional experience, especially when you're in the arena. I don't know whether booing makes the team better or not. I think it probably motivates some players to play harder and better. And if it doesn't make them better, well then it's just part of live sports. Again, I come back to the fact that the booing last night wasn't just a reaction to the team playing poorly; it was a reaction to the team also not playing hard. Finch's comment about the first half was, "we just didn't play very hard." Holy crap, if the team he described in those terms doesn't deserve some boos then perhaps we should just ban the expression completely, which would probably fit the times were in.

Seriously, I've been a season ticket holder since 1997. I can't begin to count the number of Wolves games I've attended during that time frame, but I can probably count on one hand the times the Target Center crowd has booed the home team. It's obviously rare. Last night was one of those rare occasions and the boos were well deserved by a team whose own coaches called them out for not playing hard in the first half. Fans aren't stupid. They know when the players are giving it their all and when they're not. Last night it was obvious in the first half that they were not. And so they booed. Hopefully, Gobert's tender psyche can recover from the trauma.
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kekgeek1 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TYVvseoMPo

Finchy's post-game presser last night. His comment on the first half: "We just didn't play very hard." Those were his exact words. And Rudy's whining about being booed??!! The right response by a $40 million per year veteran leader to the boos should have been something like the following: "Coming out flat the way we did at home for an entire half against an undermanned team on the tail end of a back-to-back was inexcusable if we expect to be a contender in this League. I don't like to be booed, but I can understand why they booed us. At the same time, I can't say enough about the way my teammates stepped up in the second half and turned those boos into cheers." Rudy's whining set a horrible example for our young budding star, Edwards, who not surprisingly echoed Rudy's whining about the boos.


They won the game Lip


Come on guys. I KNOW they won the game! We're talking about the booing, which took place in the FIRST HALF when the Wolves were LOSING and playing like crap. I'm not complaining about the outcome of the game. And I'm not even down on the team. I'm down on Gobert for whining about being booed by the home crowed when the team wasn't just playing poorly but also not playing hard. Why is that so hard for some people on the board to get?
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Lip is 100% right on this whole booing take.

If I go to a restaurant and the food sucks, the chef asks me if I enjoyed the meal, if I say no am I wrong? Maybe they'll make better food, if not then they lose business repeatedly.

Guess what, fans booed and the team played better in response, fans cheered, team won.

You make more that game than most fans in that arena make in a year. You just got here and have major expectations. Shut up.
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TheFuture wrote:Lip is 100% right on this whole booing take.

If I go to a restaurant and the food sucks, the chef asks me if I enjoyed the meal, if I say no am I wrong? Maybe they'll make better food, if not then they lose business repeatedly.

Guess what, fans booed and the team played better in response, fans cheered, team won.

You make more that game than most fans in that arena make in a year. You just got here and have major expectations. Shut up.

I also think you'd give the restaurant a bit more leeway if you liked the place to begin with.

I think the only Wolves player that fans really like is McLaughin and that's because he's an overachiever.

and truth be told, I'd say the expectations Wolves fans have for this team aren't much different than 15-18 other fanbases. We just have little to no leash for a bunch of players that the fanbase either never liked or have fallen out of favor with. As I said before, ESPN said they have 3 of the top 25 best players in the league, but IMO they have 3 of the 15 most hated players in the league, so this fanbase isn't cutting them any slack unless they overachieve as much as McLaughlin has (and if we did we'd be the best team in the NBA).
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lipoli390 wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TYVvseoMPo

Finchy's post-game presser last night. His comment on the first half: "We just didn't play very hard." Those were his exact words. And Rudy's whining about being booed??!! The right response by a $40 million per year veteran leader to the boos should have been something like the following: "Coming out flat the way we did at home for an entire half against an undermanned team on the tail end of a back-to-back was inexcusable if we expect to be a contender in this League. I don't like to be booed, but I can understand why they booed us. At the same time, I can't say enough about the way my teammates stepped up in the second half and turned those boos into cheers." Rudy's whining set a horrible example for our young budding star, Edwards, who not surprisingly echoed Rudy's whining about the boos.


They won the game Lip


Come on guys. I KNOW they won the game! We're talking about the booing, which took place in the FIRST HALF when the Wolves were LOSING and playing like crap. I'm not complaining about the outcome of the game. And I'm not even down on the team. I'm down on Gobert for whining about being booed by the home crowed when the team wasn't just playing poorly but also not playing hard. Why is that so hard for some people on the board to get?


DLO also complained last year when the team was boo'd. I honestly like that the fans boo'd. Now it might not help the team win right away, but it sure lets the players know we have a higher standard here. You better step your effort up every night or get the wrath.

Although Gobert was clutch down the stretch sealing the win with his FT's. So maybe the booing did help them?

I say boo them if the effort looks lackluster.
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I'm enjoying this discussion about the appropriateness of booing. I'm sympathetic to both sides, because I can see the glare (or feel the sharp elbows) of my gal when I boo. But I come down strongly on the "pro-boo" side. I can give a damn about how it makes the players feel. I've laid down a lot of scratch to go to a game, and I deserve the right to care how I feel!. Attending a game in person is an exhilarating experience, and part of the fun is letting your emotions out. When your team is playing well and does something great, it feels good to let your emotions out with a big cheer or yell...it would be weird to just sit there silently. Conversely, when your team stinks, it frankly makes me feel better when I let my emotions out with a loud boo...I'm not happy at the time because my team is playing very poorly, but I at least take a little solace out of letting my emotions out rather than stifling them. I had some expectations about how the Vikings were going to play when I entered the stadium last Sunday, and I felt disappointed and angry when they didn't show up on either side of the ball. The Vikings wrecked my day by playing so poorly, and I took back my power by showing my disgust for how they were playing by loudly booing...along with at least half of the fans there.


Yes, cheer loudly when your team is playing well. But when they don't show up like the Wolves didn't in the first half of the game against the G Heat, it feels good to let the team know you don't appreciate what they are doing. So boo the hell out of them...you'll feel better! And who knows...it might even piss the players off enough so they actually try in the second half and pull out a win against a depleted team. I wasn't at the Heat game, but I want to extend a big thank you to the booing fans whose actions may have led to our Wolves actually showing up in the second half.
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