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jester1534 wrote:

Camden wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:These are horrible outside of the first.

https://www.skornorth.com/twins-2/2019/12/who-says-no-five-trades-that-could-bring-back-impact-pitching/

Whoever wrote this tried too hard to make the trades seem "fair" that they ended up being significantly lopsided against the Twins. I wouldn't do any of these deals and for me almost all of them would have to wait until Josh Donaldson is signed, which probably won't happen if the front office continues this awful off-season plan.

These trades are all unfeasiable. I find these very comical. Why would the Mets want two years of Sano and Rosario. They would mst likely want the deal he gave for for Boyd. I hate to tell people this but Eddie Rosario trade value isn't that high. Avsial Garcia just got two years for 20 million and he had higher WAR than Roasrio last year and Rosario is projected to make close to 12 million in his last ear of arbtration. Nobody is going to want to pay him 12 million dollars.

I clicked the link to be part of the conversation...I stopped skimming after trade 2.

https://grantland.com/features/mlb-transaction-trees/

After that horrible trade mock up read I thought I put this here. I'm a big trade lineage person. With Corey Kluber getting traded it will become baseball oldest trade lineage. It all started when Jerry Dybzinski was traded to White Sox in 1983.

Jester1534 wrote:https://grantland.com/features/mlb-transaction-trees/

After that horrible trade mock up read I thought I put this here. I'm a big trade lineage person. With Corey Kluber getting traded it will become baseball oldest trade lineage. It all started when Jerry Dybzinski was traded to White Sox in 1983.

That is crazy! It seems like this is a little more common in the NBA, but that is a very long streak.

We got him.

https://www.skornorth.com/twins-2/2019/12/twins-agree-to-deal-with-lefty-daniel-coulombe-on-minor-league-pact-report/

We are building a AAA dynasty.

It's "believed" the Nationals and Twins are willing to go to four years for Donaldson, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription link). The Dodgers and Braves are still in the hunt, per Rosenthal, though he notes both teams could be hesitant to go to the four-year length to land Donaldson.

This report gets my hopes up, but as the saying goes -- hope is the most dangerous thing in this world. The Twins need to get this deal done before it gets dragged out. The longer the bidding goes the more confident I am that they'll get outdone.

bleedspeed177 wrote:We got him.

https://www.skornorth.com/twins-2/2019/12/twins-agree-to-deal-with-lefty-daniel-coulombe-on-minor-league-pact-report/

We are building a AAA dynasty.

Seems like another worthwhile minor league deal.

Camden wrote:

It's "believed" the Nationals and Twins are willing to go to four years for Donaldson, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription link). The Dodgers and Braves are still in the hunt, per Rosenthal, though he notes both teams could be hesitant to go to the four-year length to land Donaldson.

This report gets my hopes up, but as the saying goes -- hope is the most dangerous thing in this world. The Twins need to get this deal done before it gets dragged out. The longer the bidding goes the more confident I am that they'll get outdone.

Wonder if he be willing to front load his contract like the Padres did with Hosmer a couple years ago. I believe Hosmer is making around 22-23 mil but his last 3 years he will be making 13mil.

So we could do a deal where we do 4 for 100 million but pay Donaldson 35 million the first year. Then 30 million the next year. Then 22.5 the two years after when the Twins will need to start resigning giuys in 2022.

Also to note this report came from Ken Rothensal so its a legit report

jester1534 wrote:

Camden wrote:

It's "believed" the Nationals and Twins are willing to go to four years for Donaldson, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription link). The Dodgers and Braves are still in the hunt, per Rosenthal, though he notes both teams could be hesitant to go to the four-year length to land Donaldson.

This report gets my hopes up, but as the saying goes -- hope is the most dangerous thing in this world. The Twins need to get this deal done before it gets dragged out. The longer the bidding goes the more confident I am that they'll get outdone.

Wonder if he be willing to front load his contract like the Padres did with Hosmer a couple years ago. I believe Hosmer is making around 22-23 mil but his last 3 years he will be making 13mil.

So we could do a deal where we do 4 for 100 million but pay Donaldson 35 million the first year. Then 30 million the next year. Then 22.5 the two years after when the Twins will need to start resigning giuys in 2022.

Also to note this report came from Ken Rothensal so its a legit report

I'm still not sure Donaldson will reach the $100-million mark, but even if the bidding gets that high the Twins should be in on him. I agree about front-loading the contract as that makes the most sense right now given the expected deals coming in the near future. I could see something like four-years, $92-million with $60-million over the first two years followed by a very manageable $16-million annually on the back half of the four years.

1. Jorge Polanco (SS) - S
2. Luis Arraez (2B) - L
3. Nelson Cruz (DH) - R
4. Josh Donaldson (3B) - R
5. Max Kepler (RF) - L
6. Miguel Sano (1B) - R
7. Eddie Rosario (LF) - L
8. Mitch Garver (C) - R
9. Byron Buxton (CF) - R

If that's the lineup, is it the best in baseball? My gut feeling is yes. Will it matter in the post-season if the pitching rotation -- and bullpen -- is not upgraded? No it will not.

Camden0916 wrote:

jester1534 wrote:

Camden wrote:

It's "believed" the Nationals and Twins are willing to go to four years for Donaldson, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription link). The Dodgers and Braves are still in the hunt, per Rosenthal, though he notes both teams could be hesitant to go to the four-year length to land Donaldson.

This report gets my hopes up, but as the saying goes -- hope is the most dangerous thing in this world. The Twins need to get this deal done before it gets dragged out. The longer the bidding goes the more confident I am that they'll get outdone.

Wonder if he be willing to front load his contract like the Padres did with Hosmer a couple years ago. I believe Hosmer is making around 22-23 mil but his last 3 years he will be making 13mil.

So we could do a deal where we do 4 for 100 million but pay Donaldson 35 million the first year. Then 30 million the next year. Then 22.5 the two years after when the Twins will need to start resigning giuys in 2022.

Also to note this report came from Ken Rothensal so its a legit report

I'm still not sure Donaldson will reach the $100-million mark, but even if the bidding gets that high the Twins should be in on him. I agree about front-loading the contract as that makes the most sense right now given the expected deals coming in the near future. I could see something like four-years, $92-million with $60-million over the first two years followed by a very manageable $16-million annually on the back half of the four years.

1. Jorge Polanco (SS) - S
2. Luis Arraez (2B) - L
3. Nelson Cruz (DH) - R
4. Josh Donaldson (3B) - R
5. Max Kepler (RF) - L
6. Miguel Sano (1B) - R
7. Eddie Rosario (LF) - L
8. Mitch Garver (C) - R
9. Byron Buxton (CF) - R

If that's the lineup, is it the best in baseball? My gut feeling is yes. Will it matter in the post-season if the pitching rotation -- and bullpen -- is not upgraded? No it will not.

Does front loading a contract really matter Thant much in baseball compared to say the NBA? I mean it does cost more in real money paying out the money earlier. I'm not knocking the creativity just asking a question. I'm curious to know what kind of money Donaldson gets per year on a 4 year deal. Personally I go for 4 years 100 million. It's maybe a worrisome amount of money BUT if Donaldson stays a pretty good player it will easily be worth that. He can hit and field and is a former MVP. He seems clearly worth at least a 2 year 50 million dollar deal so a 3rd year seems pretty reasonable to stomach and a 4th year...I'd at least hope he can at least be a worthwhile DH the last year for 300+ ABs. Just looked back at his injury history...basically missed a few games in 2017 then had a bad year in 2018 but last year played 155 games. Before that the guy played a ton. Sign me up I want him.

Or Nolan Arenado

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2867737-nolan-arenado-trade-rumors-rockies-considering-offers-for-star-3b