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kekgeek1 wrote:Legit question isn't Thabo just another Brandon Rush. I see Thabo is barley getting run for the Hawks in the playoffs. I know he used to be an above average role player but is he still.
thedoper wrote:monsterpile wrote:thedoper wrote:We're already talking ourselves into 3rd tier guys. It hurts. Why not Milsap or Ibaka? Either makes us a much better team with no financial impact beyond making Glen spend luxury tax which he has been saving since Cassel left.
4 years for max or near max money is why some people would take lesser players for less money shorter contracts. Yes it sucks but sometimes the lesser signings end up being better than expected and there are plenty of times teams spends that big money for good players and it doesn't work out.
Why are we worried about Glens money? A shorter contract won't give us flexibility because KAT is going to max us out anyway. We need to strike now while we have the space.
lipoli390 wrote:thedoper wrote:We're already talking ourselves into 3rd tier guys. It hurts. Why not Milsap or Ibaka? Either makes us a much better team with no financial impact beyond making Glen spend luxury tax which he has been saving since Cassel left.
Doper -- I think it's a matter of being realistic. We could offer Millsap a max contract, but we wouldn't be the only team, including his current team which has already established itself as a playoff team. The odds of Millsap leaving the Hawks AND coming to the Wolves seem remote. And I'm not sure Millsap is worth a max deal for the Wolves given what he brings and his age, although I do like his defense, rebounding and toughness. Ibaka seems less of a long-shot to sign here, but some of us have some misgivings about him given his steady statistical decline and bouncing through 3 teams in 3 seasons. Yes, he's playing well the last couple games, but that's not enough to erase the concerns. Moreover, even if Thibs thinks it's worth the risk to pursue him, it seems likely the Raptors would offer at least as much to keep him after having traded for him.
I'd be OK if we ended up signing either Millsap or Ibaka as a FA, even if it required a max contract. But I just don't see either one signing here. Hence, it's on to the next tier, or the tier below that, which leads to names like JJ Redick, Thabo Sefolosha, PJ Tucker, Tony Allen, Illyasova, Taj Gibson, Amir Johnson, Zaza Pachulia, Kyle Korver, Patrick Patterson, and Tyreke Evans
Q12543 wrote:kekgeek1 wrote:Legit question isn't Thabo just another Brandon Rush. I see Thabo is barley getting run for the Hawks in the playoffs. I know he used to be an above average role player but is he still.
Not even close:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Thabo+Sefolosha&player_id1_select=Thabo+Sefolosha&y1=2017&player_id1=sefolth01&player_id2_hint=Brandon+Rush&player_id2_select=Brandon+Rush&y2=2017&player_id2=rushbr01
Now granted, it's amazing how vet players like Rush come to Minnesota and suddenly the bottom falls out and they put up career low numbers. Perhaps that happens with Thabo too. The difference is defense seems like something harder to "go cold" on than offense and that's why we'd get Thabo.
I actually liked Brandon Rush at first. He even made an occasional highlight reel chase-down block. But damn, it's amazing how little he did while on the floor.
Q12543 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:Been enjoying reading this discussion. I have my own opinion on most of these guys, but I like the arguments made for Jamychal Green so far.
Almost a perfect fit. Blue collar guy not afraid to mix it up. Comes from the type of culture that is the exact opposite of what we have in Minnesota: Toughness, defense, and winning.
Mr. Brightside wrote:lipoli390 wrote:I don't see any realistic trades that would bring a needle-moving player here without giving up assets that would negate most if not all the deal's value. But I'd be interested in any ideas.
Any interest in trading the 6th pick to Denver for Kenneth Faried? Wouldn't help with floor spacing, but he's a tough, relentless rebounder.
What about the 6th pick to Boston for Jae Crowder? Literally the perfect 3 and D player to have mixed in with LaVine and Wiggins. Boston then flips both first rounders and Avery Bradley for Jimmy Butler/Paul George.
6th pick for Tobias Harris? Provides floor spacing. Detroit may want to shuffle the roster a bit.
Swing a trade for John Henson? Would provide rim protection. On a good contract. Don't think it would take much with the emergence of Thon Maker.
Just spitballin' ideas. Any of these interest anyone?
lipoli390 wrote:Q12543 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:Been enjoying reading this discussion. I have my own opinion on most of these guys, but I like the arguments made for Jamychal Green so far.
Almost a perfect fit. Blue collar guy not afraid to mix it up. Comes from the type of culture that is the exact opposite of what we have in Minnesota: Toughness, defense, and winning.
I agree that Green would be a great addition. But he's a restricted FA and I don't see Memphis failing to match any offer we make unless it's an insane offer that we shouldn't make. In fact, it's generally unrealistic to expect to sign any restricted FA unless it's a player who shouldn't be pursued or the player's current team needs cap space. I don't see any realistic options among this year's restricted free agents. Otherwise, there are two restricted FAs I'd love to pursue. Green is one of them. The other is DeWayne Dedmon.
If we're going to sign a FA outright, then I still think it's going to be an unrestricted FA. And the only realistic options worth pursuing in my view would be Redick, Illyasova, Pachulia, Amir Johnson, and Kyle Korver. Redick and Illyasova would probably cost the most in this group. Gibson is a realistic option, but I'd prefer one of the others I listed. I wouldn't pursue Tony Allen because of his age and a body that always seems on the brink of breaking down.
I see Millsap and Ibaka as two unrestricted FAs worth pursuing even though getting them seems unrealistic.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Been enjoying reading this discussion. I have my own opinion on most of these guys, but I like the arguments made for Jamychal Green so far.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:Q12543 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:Been enjoying reading this discussion. I have my own opinion on most of these guys, but I like the arguments made for Jamychal Green so far.
Almost a perfect fit. Blue collar guy not afraid to mix it up. Comes from the type of culture that is the exact opposite of what we have in Minnesota: Toughness, defense, and winning.
I agree that Green would be a great addition. But he's a restricted FA and I don't see Memphis failing to match any offer we make unless it's an insane offer that we shouldn't make. In fact, it's generally unrealistic to expect to sign any restricted FA unless it's a player who shouldn't be pursued or the player's current team needs cap space. I don't see any realistic options among this year's restricted free agents. Otherwise, there are two restricted FAs I'd love to pursue. Green is one of them. The other is DeWayne Dedmon.
If we're going to sign a FA outright, then I still think it's going to be an unrestricted FA. And the only realistic options worth pursuing in my view would be Redick, Illyasova, Pachulia, Amir Johnson, and Kyle Korver. Redick and Illyasova would probably cost the most in this group. Gibson is a realistic option, but I'd prefer one of the others I listed. I wouldn't pursue Tony Allen because of his age and a body that always seems on the brink of breaking down.
I see Millsap and Ibaka as two unrestricted FAs worth pursuing even though getting them seems unrealistic.
Maybe a sign and trade for Green?
kekgeek1 wrote:TeamRicky wrote:Q12543 wrote:I kinda forgot about Dudley, but he would be a great target for us (trade, right? I don't believe he's an UFA). He's actually a pretty solid defender and hits the 3-ball at an above average clip (well, above average by Wolves standards, that's for sure). He'd be an excellent fit.
Tucker, Thabo, Dudley....liking that list of options.
Dudley was one of my top targets last year and I thought the dollar amount was fine. So we need to sign this year's version of Dudley in free agency. James Johnson, Sefolosha and Tucker are probably the closest matches off the top of my head.
I would be fine with johnson or tucker but both probably going to make in the 14-20 mil dollar range. What is fine with me. Thabo contact is probably going to be about 10 mil. So my question is the difference between rush and Thabo that great to pay an extra 5 mil for? (Legit question not trying to say he is or isn't)