Who blinks first?

[Porckchop]

With the league being more perimeter oriented these days Id hope for Wiggins panning out. PFs havent shown to be the most important peice on any championship team in the last 25 years . Guys like Barkley, Malone, Kg never did it. Kg had to go where the perimeter shooting was great. Dirk lived and died from 15 ft out. The only champions that counted on big men relied on Centers.
If Im the Cavs I hope Wiggins can be a Pippen type player in a year or two. Until I see Pfs being more valuable than part of a tripod Ill go with the best group of perimeter players. I dont count the Spurs cuz they seem to be the exception to every rule.

[TheGrey08]

I would estimate that about 90% of this board thinks Cleveland is crazy to not give us what we want for Love (Wiggins and pieces)...I'm in the 10% and would be sitting with all that young talent rather than trading for a guy who hasn't made the playoffs yet.

Now a question for the 90%. I know we are all confident in our own personal basketball acumen, but the passion with which you guys are certain that the Cavs are idiots seems overstated to me.

Are some of you willing to admit that the Cleveland brain trust might actually be smarter than you think, and that they may be right?

I could see that if everyone was demanding the Cavs give up all 4 young players + pick(s) next year while taking Love & a couple sub optimal contracts that the Wolves have.

I think the majority of people would think the Cavs are out of their minds if they are not willing to trade Wiggins, Bennett & 1 pick next year. That would leave them with Thompson, Waiters and possibly 2 picks next year (depending if protections are triggered or not).

[TheGrey08]

With the league being more perimeter oriented these days Id hope for Wiggins panning out. PFs havent shown to be the most important peice on any championship team in the last 25 years . Guys like Barkley, Malone, Kg never did it. Kg had to go where the perimeter shooting was great. Dirk lived and died from 15 ft out. The only champions that counted on big men relied on Centers.
If Im the Cavs I hope Wiggins can be a Pippen type player in a year or two. Until I see Pfs being more valuable than part of a tripod Ill go with the best group of perimeter players. I dont count the Spurs cuz they seem to be the exception to every rule.

Well to be fair Stockton & Malone kept running into MJ lol and KG just didn't have enough around him yet continued to get them to the playoffs. Besides the Celtics D is what lead them to victory more so than great shooting. Not counting KG they mainly had 1 great shooter, a good/great scorer in Pierce & Rondo who isn't a good shooter.

[Porckchop]

With the league being more perimeter oriented these days Id hope for Wiggins panning out. PFs havent shown to be the most important peice on any championship team in the last 25 years . Guys like Barkley, Malone, Kg never did it. Kg had to go where the perimeter shooting was great. Dirk lived and died from 15 ft out. The only champions that counted on big men relied on Centers.
If Im the Cavs I hope Wiggins can be a Pippen type player in a year or two. Until I see Pfs being more valuable than part of a tripod Ill go with the best group of perimeter players. I dont count the Spurs cuz they seem to be the exception to every rule.

Well to be fair Stockton & Malone kept running into MJ lol and KG just didn't have enough around him yet continued to get them to the playoffs. Besides the Celtics D is what lead them to victory more so than great shooting. Not counting KG they mainly had 1 great shooter, a good/great scorer in Pierce & Rondo who isn't a good shooter.

You're right, but as great as Malone was he wasnt enough against a great perimeter team. The best teams rely on great perimeter play with the PFs doing the dirty work. Not relying on them to carry the bulk of the scoring.
I just see alot of potential in that backcourt and Id have a hard time breaking it up. As a Wolves fan Id love a Wiggins for Love trade but I can argue against it from the Cavs side if Im looking at a 5 year plan.

[mjs34]

With the league being more perimeter oriented these days Id hope for Wiggins panning out. PFs havent shown to be the most important peice on any championship team in the last 25 years . Guys like Barkley, Malone, Kg never did it. Kg had to go where the perimeter shooting was great. Dirk lived and died from 15 ft out. The only champions that counted on big men relied on Centers.
If Im the Cavs I hope Wiggins can be a Pippen type player in a year or two. Until I see Pfs being more valuable than part of a tripod Ill go with the best group of perimeter players. I dont count the Spurs cuz they seem to be the exception to every rule.

KG was easily the most valuable piece on the Celtics. Pierce wasn't winning anything before KG and Allen showed up, and don't buy into Pierce's defense on Kobe. He was able to guard him tight only because KG was standing right behind him waiting for Kobe to try and drive.

[mjs34]

I just think everyone is overestimating the odds of Wiggins getting it. I heard one reporter say he could be the next Lebron. Lebron had three times the talent when he entered the league.

[Monster]

When the Lebron to Cleveland thing happened I figured that Love was going there too. It made alot of sense and the Cavs had the currency to make it happen. Of course everyone here knows I had made a case for the Cavs keeping Wiggins and their young talent, but I figured the Cavs woudl relent and add Love. To my surprise it seems like they actually agreed with my thoughts.

The thing is the Cavs aren't just giving up Wiggins its at least 1 other young player to get the salaries to match to make the deal work. So they have to give up Wiggins who was hyped bigtime for like 2 years and another young player plus maybe some salary room. Like i said before if thye are right and Wiggins and Bennet turn out to be pretty good players they can be a team thats good AFTER Lebron leaves. That sounds pretty good. I think its going to be interesting to see how the young guys progress, but I think some people are underestimating how much the young talent the Cavs have could benefit from Lebron. He can play everywhere plays like a PG and is a good defender. We also don't know what other guys they add to the team since they have 4-5 open roster spots. Anyway its gonna be fun to see how that team progresses. I've be paying attention to the Cavs this year no doubt.

[Porckchop]

With the league being more perimeter oriented these days Id hope for Wiggins panning out. PFs havent shown to be the most important peice on any championship team in the last 25 years . Guys like Barkley, Malone, Kg never did it. Kg had to go where the perimeter shooting was great. Dirk lived and died from 15 ft out. The only champions that counted on big men relied on Centers.
If Im the Cavs I hope Wiggins can be a Pippen type player in a year or two. Until I see Pfs being more valuable than part of a tripod Ill go with the best group of perimeter players. I dont count the Spurs cuz they seem to be the exception to every rule.

KG was easily the most valuable piece on the Celtics. Pierce wasn't winning anything before KG and Allen showed up, and don't buy into Pierce's defense on Kobe. He was able to guard him tight only because KG was standing right behind him waiting for Kobe to try and drive.

But it goes both ways, KG wasnt winnin until he got great perimeter play. That year he did all the dirty work at an alltime great level but he didnt score at a great level. Even in Minny he needed Malnurished Laterell and Sam to have great years to make a run. And wouldnt u know it, when Sam got hurt we all knew the chances at a title would be tough. It took KG being greater than Love ever will be on both ends and Hudson goin bonkers to make it a great series. And Im KGs biggest supporter. Love will never be KG. Ever.

[A Friendly Flatulence [enjin:8907904]]

How old was KG when we traded him? KG & Love are different players with different styles/attributes to their game respectively, each has a few things that they could do better than the other. It's easier to say that KG is better (and he might be) but we've seen him at his best. Nobody knows if Love has reached his peak and he still might add new/different dimensions to his game that we haven't witnessed yet.

Just to clarify I'd take KG over Love based on what we know now.

[zigzag22 [enjin:6591633]]

The gap between "What Wiggins might be one day" vs. "What Kevin Love is Today" is so large, yet for some of you it appears that gap is closing fast.

Why is Cleveland pinning their hopes on what Wiggins COULD be (year 3, year 4, etc.) while their BEST player (who btw does have a sneaky opt-out NEXT season) is almost 30 and has played more hoops in the last 5 years than any human being on planet Earth. Just because Cleveland doesn't have a ton of playoff experience (outside of LBJ) does NOT mean that they aren't in a win-now situation....