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Re: ANT's Party - Wolves at Thunder Game 1 GDT

Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 12:40 am
by KG4Ever
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 11:31 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 11:17 pm Ok. Time for some level setting. The Thunder are a far better team than the Wolves. Before tonight I was predicting the Wolves would lose the series in five games. I’m holding to that prediction. We beat an inferior Lakers team and we a Golden State team playing most of the series without their best or second best player.

The Wolves are a good team. Naz and NAW are good players and Finch is a very good head coach. But we were the 6th seed in the West and OKC was the 1st seed with the best record in the NBA - 68 wins! OKC had some growing pains in their series against Denver, but that series matured them into the team we faced tonight. As for the Wolves — to paraphrase Denny Green, the Wolves are who we thought they were. We were a better team last season and choked against an inferior Dallas team. I chalked that up to the immaturity of our best player and lack of mental toughness on the Wolves. This year, we simply facing a much better team and we should feel fortunate we made it this far with the team we have.

I’ve thought all season that we’ve gone as far as we can go with this iteration of the Wolves and that it’s time for Wolves 2.0 centered around Ant and Jaden. I really like what we saw from TSJ and Clark this season. I see them as part of a new iteration of this team with Ant, Jaden, Dilly and others that can be a true championship contender in a couple years when Ant is 25 like SGA and Jaden us 26. Meanwhile, we’ll see what happens the rest of this series. I think the Wolves can play better and I think we’ll win one, maybe two, games before it’s over.
We had won 30 of our last 36 games. They are not a far better team than us. Even the pundits admit we weren't really a 6th seed. We are going to win at least 3 games in this series.
Close to a zero chance of winning three games. I'd be shocked if the Wolves won more than one game in this series and may easily get swept. The Wolves are just not as talented and they have an idiot coach who can't adjust. Sorry, but you are kidding yourself. Thunder are loaded with two way talent and we are not. Plus, they have a better coaching staff. If you think I'm wrong, go bet your money on the Wolves as I'm sure Vegas isn't going to favor the Wolves in any games in this series. Good luck!

Re: ANT's Party - Wolves at Thunder Game 1 GDT

Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 4:19 am
by Monster
The Wolves got off to a good start so that was a real positive. To me the reality is as a team they played a solid game they simply didn't get enough from the bench guys. Naz Reid being basically a non factor on offense is not a good thing. This might be a bad series for him although I expect him to be able to make 3's in future games.

Clark had a nice game he did a lot of little stuff. I love NAW but I don't see the need to resign him for more than like 10 million at this point. NAW's struggles from 3 in the playoffs is costing him money. I think he has made an improvement as a driver and finisher in the paint. Part of that is likely picking his spots but yeah.

It would have been great to get game 1 or have it look more competitive but it's one game and I didn't see any reason why the Wolves can't win the series unless they keep not hitting 3's. Oh and Edwards ankle is a real concern too I was hoping that playoff was gonna help but he was jacked up in the first half.

Re: ANT's Party - Wolves at Thunder Game 1 GDT

Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 4:40 am
by Monster
Naz was bad in this game but this playoffs overall he is shooting the heck out of the ball. He shoots over 40% from 3 in the playoffs. I'd guess we will be getting plenty more from him offensively in future games.

Re: ANT's Party - Wolves at Thunder Game 1 GDT

Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 7:28 am
by Wolvesfan21
KG4Ever wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 12:34 am
Wolvesfan21 wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 11:21 pm
KG4Ever wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 10:37 pm Naz and NAW literally suck and I could care less if they leave. You know who else sucks? FINCH. He had three ice cold shooters and he wouldn't bench any of them. He goes all year playing mostly same 8 guys with a few minutes to Dilly and Shannon. What a fuckin idiot coach who won't develop talent during a bunch of meaningless games. If TC had any balls he'd fire him and replace him. But TC has no balls so I hope Finch is gone this offseason as Malone who actually won something was and Jenkins who is a superior coach was.
He actually played JC and I was hoping he might get some open 3's and get hot, he didn't. TSJ passes up open 3's too much to be a positive floor spacer (I still like him though).

As far as Dilly if you want a raw rookie to save the team then we got no hope. He needs another offseason and year, maybe next year he can contribute. The thing is our bench was really fucking stellar for most of the year, playoffs come and they mostly go cold.

Finch is the best coach in Wolves history. He played this game mostly right IMO. The players simply sucked ass. See the thing is if you star benching guys every time they miss a few shots thats not going to help with their game or confidence. We need them to simply step up. This isn't fantasy sports and we will need them in the rest of the series and possibly beyond.

I more so credit him for sticking to the long game. Guys either step up or not at this point.
Wolves need better coaching to ever make it to the finals. Finch is not the answer. The Wolves just had flat out more talent in the first two rounds and now Finch is exposed just as last year. Heck, pretty much every coach who has won a title has been fired and Finch hasn't even made it to a title game. Fire that bum!
All the experts, especially those close to the team who see practice disagree with you. Jim Pete, etc.

You said he hasn't developed the young guys like TSJ, Clark and Dilly but you also have no idea what goes on in practice daily. I also would say the opposite, you don't want to hand them anything either. They need to work for it and prove themselves to get minutes. Minott proved himself over the summer and got a shot, he failed on some defensive assignments and that was his shot (for the year).

So I actually disagree. You want to play on this team you need to earn it. You have to play defense right as well. That is what kept JC in the rotation more then others.

The Wolves are still 8-3 in the playoffs. Do you fire Finch if he makes the finals? lol (odds are rather much more slim now because OKC is just that much better)

Re: ANT's Party - Wolves at Thunder Game 1 GDT

Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 7:35 am
by Wolvesfan21
Monster wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 4:40 am Naz was bad in this game but this playoffs overall he is shooting the heck out of the ball. He shoots over 40% from 3 in the playoffs. I'd guess we will be getting plenty more from him offensively in future games.
I need more from him, his careless turnovers are maddening and his defense was poopy as he was targeted by the star players just like the first two rounds. For instance his pass to Ju when he wasn't looking (not a turnover but easily could have been), he looks sped up and flustered. Last two series as well he has been chucking the ball to no one at times. His weapon is his shot and when it's off, he's just so bad. I still like him though. He's picked a bad time to play like shit though.

Re: ANT's Party - Wolves at Thunder Game 1 GDT

Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 7:51 am
by Wolvesfan21
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 11:31 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 11:17 pm Ok. Time for some level setting. The Thunder are a far better team than the Wolves. Before tonight I was predicting the Wolves would lose the series in five games. I’m holding to that prediction. We beat an inferior Lakers team and we a Golden State team playing most of the series without their best or second best player.

The Wolves are a good team. Naz and NAW are good players and Finch is a very good head coach. But we were the 6th seed in the West and OKC was the 1st seed with the best record in the NBA - 68 wins! OKC had some growing pains in their series against Denver, but that series matured them into the team we faced tonight. As for the Wolves — to paraphrase Denny Green, the Wolves are who we thought they were. We were a better team last season and choked against an inferior Dallas team. I chalked that up to the immaturity of our best player and lack of mental toughness on the Wolves. This year, we simply facing a much better team and we should feel fortunate we made it this far with the team we have.

I’ve thought all season that we’ve gone as far as we can go with this iteration of the Wolves and that it’s time for Wolves 2.0 centered around Ant and Jaden. I really like what we saw from TSJ and Clark this season. I see them as part of a new iteration of this team with Ant, Jaden, Dilly and others that can be a true championship contender in a couple years when Ant is 25 like SGA and Jaden us 26. Meanwhile, we’ll see what happens the rest of this series. I think the Wolves can play better and I think we’ll win one, maybe two, games before it’s over.
We had won 30 of our last 36 games. They are not a far better team than us. Even the pundits admit we weren't really a 6th seed. We are going to win at least 3 games in this series.
Our bench has turned into bigger poop when they were stellar for the regular season. IDK what to think now. Me picking the Wolves was a thought our poopy bench would start shooting well. Then 19% happens.

I think I give OKC some credit for their pressure though too, our guys looked sped up and flustered. Not calm and cool and confident.

Re: ANT's Party - Wolves at Thunder Game 1 GDT

Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 8:10 am
by FNG
Lipoli390 wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 11:37 pm
Coolbreeze44 wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 11:31 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Tue May 20, 2025 11:17 pm Ok. Time for some level setting. The Thunder are a far better team than the Wolves. Before tonight I was predicting the Wolves would lose the series in five games. I’m holding to that prediction. We beat an inferior Lakers team and we a Golden State team playing most of the series without their best or second best player.

The Wolves are a good team. Naz and NAW are good players and Finch is a very good head coach. But we were the 6th seed in the West and OKC was the 1st seed with the best record in the NBA - 68 wins! OKC had some growing pains in their series against Denver, but that series matured them into the team we faced tonight. As for the Wolves — to paraphrase Denny Green, the Wolves are who we thought they were. We were a better team last season and choked against an inferior Dallas team. I chalked that up to the immaturity of our best player and lack of mental toughness on the Wolves. This year, we simply facing a much better team and we should feel fortunate we made it this far with the team we have.

I’ve thought all season that we’ve gone as far as we can go with this iteration of the Wolves and that it’s time for Wolves 2.0 centered around Ant and Jaden. I really like what we saw from TSJ and Clark this season. I see them as part of a new iteration of this team with Ant, Jaden, Dilly and others that can be a true championship contender in a couple years when Ant is 25 like SGA and Jaden us 26. Meanwhile, we’ll see what happens the rest of this series. I think the Wolves can play better and I think we’ll win one, maybe two, games before it’s over.
We had won 30 of our last 36 games. They are not a far better team than us. Even the pundits admit we weren't really a 6th seed. We are going to win at least 3 games in this series.
I hope you’re right, Cool. If you’re right, then the Wolves simply didn’t play well tonight and certain players had particularly bad games. I still come to the same conclusion - i.e., everyone needs to calm down. Naz and NAW don’t suck, and Finch isn’t a terrible head coach. I still think OKC is a much better team than the Wolves. They had the League’s best record and I think they’re going to win the NBA championship.
Lip, I have to agree with Cool on this. Yes, OkC was by far the best team in the West all season, but looking at the last quarter of the season after Ju cam back, we were neck and neck with them...they were 18-3, and we were 17-4. If anything, our defense was quite good last night most of the game...we just missed shots. Now if we are a team that is regularly going to miss 36 treys, most of them wide open, then I agree with you that OkC is a much better team than we are. But that's not what I observed from this roster this season when we had the 4th best 3 point percentage in the Association. I also had OkC winning in 5 before the series began, but as I mentioned in another thread, we will win at least 2 games if OkC continues to pack the paint and give us wide open looks beyond the arc. My gut feel is that we will make them pay for that strategy Thursday night, and maybe even steal a game.

Re: ANT's Party - Wolves at Thunder Game 1 GDT

Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 8:24 am
by FNG
Monster wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 4:40 am Naz was bad in this game but this playoffs overall he is shooting the heck out of the ball. He shoots over 40% from 3 in the playoffs. I'd guess we will be getting plenty more from him offensively in future games.
Fair comment, Monster. But the problem is Naz needs his full arsenal of offensive weapons...3-pointers and drives to the basket...in order to be fully effective. And it's clear that OkC's strategy of packing the paint is going to prevent him from scoring around the basket...it's going to result in too many turnovers. And unfortunately it will impact Ant, Ju, Jaden, and Rudy too. Their wings will poke the ball away more often than not, and if they don't, Chet is there to protect the rim. I'm usually a fan of driving to the basket, but it just isn't effective against OkC's strategy. But they will allow us to shoot threes until we prove we can make them. We averaged 35 3-point attempts per game all season, but we are going to have to take 50+ as long as OkC stays in their shell...and we need to make 38% of them. A tall order against an odd defense, but I see it as our best chance.

Re: ANT's Party - Wolves at Thunder Game 1 GDT

Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 10:03 am
by 60WinTim
Jason Timpf is one of the better basketball analysts you'll find on podcasts. He is a Lakers' fan, but very objective and very knowledgeable. He does pick the Thunder to win the series, but here is a snippet he posted about Mark Lindsey's reffing last night...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtdLGBdn-BM

Re: ANT's Party - Wolves at Thunder Game 1 GDT

Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 10:29 am
by FNG
60WinTim wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 10:03 am Jason Timpf is one of the better basketball analysts you'll find on podcasts. He is a Lakers' fan, but very objective and very knowledgeable. He does pick the Thunder to win the series, but here is a snippet he posted about Mark Lindsey's reffing last night...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtdLGBdn-BM

Thanks for that, Tim. I’m an “anything to win that doesn’t hurt someone” kind of guy…just my personal DNA. So I admire the way SGA can bamboozle the refs. But it hurts our chances of winning, so I’m angry…not at Shae, but at the refs. And while it was Lindsay last night, he’s far from the only one…shae is way too talented at drawing fouls. I do feel somewhat confident though that videos like this (and of course there are many of them) will have an impact on how the rest of the series is reffed. Refs read this stuff and they have rabbit ears…they don’t want to be publicly called out. In addition, our defenders need to be smarter. Ant throwing the ball at SGA after a flop is not going to be effective.