Vikings Offseason 2020

[bleedspeed]

I just saw that. You mentioned that like in January. Now we know you are an insider if not Rick Speilman himself.

[Monster]

I just saw that. You mentioned that like in January. Now we know you are an insider if not Rick Speilman himself.

Well I have a subscription to the local paper now so I know everything. Lol seriously though once my unemployement finally came through that was my first purchase was to do a digital subscription to the local paper. I thought it was a worthwhile thing to support in these times.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Cook is holding out until he gets a new deal. Really hope we don't extend him right now. He has one healthy season under his belt and he's looking for Zeke money with less than 2 years worth of games through 3 years of his career. Zeke has missed 2 games in the 3 years that weren't his suspension year.

[bleedspeed]

I saw that and that they project the cap to go down $40M in 2021. I would hold off. for sure.

[Monster]

The number I have seen Cook wants is more like 12-13 million That's not the top of the RB market but its top 5. To me one of the issues is one Bleed mentioned is that what cap numbers are you basing this contract off of? Let's be honest nobody really knows and both sides are probably trying to figure it out. Cook holding out or whatever is basically expected. He is using leverage to try and get some money beyond the 2 million he is guaranteed this year. He also has something lose if he doesn't get something done and he were to get injured etc although I suppose he could take out an insurance policy for injury. I expect something to get done and it might include incentives. That's how the Vikings have given some of their young players contracts (they pay their young talented players) in the past with lower numbers to begin with but then the value of the contract goes up. they can give him a raise this year of a few million and help knock down the next 3-4 years of whatever the extension is.

[bleedspeed]

This years draft was very deep at RB. I wish we would have picked one.

In other notes. Bradbury is on an all-nfl breakout team.


https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/6/9/21286069/cbs-sports-breakout-season-garrett-bradbury-2020-minnesota-vikings

[mrhockey89]

The number I have seen Cook wants is more like 12-13 million That's not the top of the RB market but its top 5. To me one of the issues is one Bleed mentioned is that what cap numbers are you basing this contract off of? Let's be honest nobody really knows and both sides are probably trying to figure it out. Cook holding out or whatever is basically expected. He is using leverage to try and get some money beyond the 2 million he is guaranteed this year. He also has something lose if he doesn't get something done and he were to get injured etc although I suppose he could take out an insurance policy for injury. I expect something to get done and it might include incentives. That's how the Vikings have given some of their young players contracts (they pay their young talented players) in the past with lower numbers to begin with but then the value of the contract goes up. they can give him a raise this year of a few million and help knock down the next 3-4 years of whatever the extension is.

While Cook is a centerpiece on the Vikings team, I still think the Vikings hold the cards here given the new rules on holdouts (losing an accrued year if he holds out at all, along with the fact teams are no longer allowed to forgive holdout fines creates a situation that could cost Cook a lot of money in the long-run). Then when you factor in pretty much all the big contracts to RBs lately have fallen flat (even Zeke was underwhelming when he came back), and Cook's inability to stay healthy thus far all point the leverage in the Vikings court. I think the Vikes should offer $10 mil + incentives that could push him north of $12 mil if he hits them. RB is probably the most replaceable position in the NFL, and although Cook is a game changer, if you look at Kubiak's history with RBs (Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns, Arian Foster, Steve Slaton, Justin Forsett, etc) it starts to become clear that he has turned a lot of average RBs into Pro Bowlers, and a lot of good RBs into perennial All-Pros. That convinces me that we will be fine with the run game under Kubiak even if Cook were to leave. That said, I'd like to see Cook back for the next 4 years.

[Monster]

The number I have seen Cook wants is more like 12-13 million That's not the top of the RB market but its top 5. To me one of the issues is one Bleed mentioned is that what cap numbers are you basing this contract off of? Let's be honest nobody really knows and both sides are probably trying to figure it out. Cook holding out or whatever is basically expected. He is using leverage to try and get some money beyond the 2 million he is guaranteed this year. He also has something lose if he doesn't get something done and he were to get injured etc although I suppose he could take out an insurance policy for injury. I expect something to get done and it might include incentives. That's how the Vikings have given some of their young players contracts (they pay their young talented players) in the past with lower numbers to begin with but then the value of the contract goes up. they can give him a raise this year of a few million and help knock down the next 3-4 years of whatever the extension is.

While Cook is a centerpiece on the Vikings team, I still think the Vikings hold the cards here given the new rules on holdouts (losing an accrued year if he holds out at all, along with the fact teams are no longer allowed to forgive holdout fines creates a situation that could cost Cook a lot of money in the long-run). Then when you factor in pretty much all the big contracts to RBs lately have fallen flat (even Zeke was underwhelming when he came back), and Cook's inability to stay healthy thus far all point the leverage in the Vikings court. I think the Vikes should offer $10 mil + incentives that could push him north of $12 mil if he hits them. RB is probably the most replaceable position in the NFL, and although Cook is a game changer, if you look at Kubiak's history with RBs (Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns, Arian Foster, Steve Slaton, Justin Forsett, etc) it starts to become clear that he has turned a lot of average RBs into Pro Bowlers, and a lot of good RBs into perennial All-Pros. That convinces me that we will be fine with the run game under Kubiak even if Cook were to leave. That said, I'd like to see Cook back for the next 4 years.

Good points. It's also worth asking if you want to pay another guy a bunch of money when it's possible you may not be playing meaningful game for 1-2 seasons. I'm not really keeping up with things these days but I'm not convinced Cook is as upset as the reporting says he is.

[Monster]

I think it would be tough to do where the Vikings are at (and only so many guys they can cut to get meaningful space) but honestly I wonder if it would be worth considering cutting as many guys as you could within reason and get yourself as much cap space during the next 2 years when games may not actually happen.

I will say that the NFL playing games only 1 time a week may have advantages over other sports in being able to play games for a limited season maybe like a 10 game season and then playoffs. Teams and the league will likely have much more flexibility in scheduling because stadiums probably won't be used for other things they used to and teams might be more willing to even give up a home game since there might not be fans. Outside might be better than an indoor sport.

Some negatives...is there also more players on the field and in close contact too plus it's a physically demanding sport where there is a great physical toll on the body simply from playing.

[bleedspeed]

Would you trade for Desmond King?

https://www.skornorth.com/2020/06/should-the-vikings-trade-for-cornerback-desmond-king/

I like King and wanted to draft him. Rieff is a solid LT, but the idea of getting a proven corner and shedding $11M in capspace is very appealing.