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SameOldNudityDrew wrote:Wow, yeah, watching game 7, you can really see the best and worst of Ben Simmons on full display.

Some of the defense he was providing in that game was unbelievable, guarding everyone from Trey to Galinari. And he created a lot of transition opportunities by pushing the ball and finding the open man before the defense could get fully set.

But woof, that free throw shooting and just total passivity with his shot. He really was a clear liability in any half court offense or set offensive play, even without an explicit hack-a-ben approach. Just the possibility that the opponents could intentionally foul him and put him on the line down the stretch really did make him borderline unplayable. He's a 60% FT shooter for his career, which is bad to start with, but that just cratered in the playoffs this year.

It's a shame, because if he could just get his FT% up to about 70% reliably and at least be a Rubio-level threat from deep, something like 25%-30%, then you're looking at a more athletic Draymond Green. His defense is really special and he's such a great passer. It's such a shame that shooting is such a glaring weakness/absence for him.

Yeah, at this point, I'm not sure I would trade DLO for him any more. I'm fairly confident his FT shooting will come back a bit--we've got 4 full seasons of 60% shooting, so that's probably a better predictor than the 20% or whatever he shot in the playoffs here. But just the chance it could get that bad, coupled with the difficulties of having to build around him, I guess I'd still stick with DLO--although DLO causes all sorts of other problems to build around and I'm pretty sure those aren't fixable with him on the roster.

I had forgotten that Ben Simmons 5 year deal started this year. So if you don't believe in him being a Max player then I can see why you would not want to even trade him for Russell straight up. Russell has just 2 years left on his 4 year deal. I've the 2 years left on his deal Russell will cost over 7 million dollars less than Simmons and...you can just walk away at the end or maybe you resign him but you get to decide. Hmm...I might be against trading for Simmons now especially since Cool did bring up his injury issues.

Wow, how lucky we were to get two Game 7's like we just had...and my team won both games! It's still a little discouraging to see how far these teams are ahead of our Wolves, but I'm still thoroughly enjoying these playoffs the deeper we get into them.

I'm enjoying the Simmons/DLO discussion, and for the record, I wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger on a trade. One of the guys at my house for the game last night is a Philly transplant and huge Sixers fan (his second favorite team teams this year were the Hawks and the Suns, so he'll be okay :) ), and he was slamming Simmons the entire night. After the bizarre play where Simmons refused an easy dunk in favor of a pass, I said to him "DLO for Simmons...do you take it?" Even in that moment of anguish, he said "Nope, can't do it". How sad for us that a Philly fan won't take our max PG for his max PG who he has spent the entire night ripping!

A couple additions to Drew's post above about Simmons' FT and 3-point percentages. While not good, he is showing improvement in his free throw shooting, as his (admittedly poor) FT success of 61.3% last season was better than his career rate. And does the fact that he made 3 out of the 10 3-pointers he tried tell us that he perhaps should try a few more...especially after shooting 10000 of them this summer in the gym? Let's not lose sight of the fact that despite his shooting woes, he is still a more efficient scorer than DLO with a 56 eFG% compared to DLO's 52.3. And anyone who watched last night's game knows what an elite defender he is. Trae Young is a great offensive player, but Simmons' length and athleticism had a lot to do with his shooting 5 for 23 last night. And even though he was only credited with one steal last night, his hounding defense was a huge factor in Trae's 5 TOs.

Why spend so much time talking about a hypothetical trade that will probably never happen? A few reasons. First...it's what we do on message boards. Second, Philly fans are getting more and more vocal about their disdain for Simmons, and he is going to be the main whipping boy for their elimination. And finally, it's a deal that has been discussed on the internet often, so it has more legs than most rumors. Love to see it happen.

FNG wrote:Wow, how lucky we were to get two Game 7's like we just had...and my team won both games! It's still a little discouraging to see how far these teams are ahead of our Wolves, but I'm still thoroughly enjoying these playoffs the deeper we get into them.

I'm enjoying the Simmons/DLO discussion, and for the record, I wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger on a trade. One of the guys at my house for the game last night is a Philly transplant and huge Sixers fan (his second favorite team teams this year were the Hawks and the Suns, so he'll be okay :) ), and he was slamming Simmons the entire night. After the bizarre play where Simmons refused an easy dunk in favor of a pass, I said to him "DLO for Simmons...do you take it?" Even in that moment of anguish, he said "Nope, can't do it". How sad for us that a Philly fan won't take our max PG for his max PG who he has spent the entire night ripping!

A couple additions to Drew's post above about Simmons' FT and 3-point percentages. While not good, he is showing improvement in his free throw shooting, as his (admittedly poor) FT success of 61.3% last season was better than his career rate. And does the fact that he made 3 out of the 10 3-pointers he tried tell us that he perhaps should try a few more...especially after shooting 10000 of them this summer in the gym? Let's not lose sight of the fact that despite his shooting woes, he is still a more efficient scorer than DLO with a 56 eFG% compared to DLO's 52.3. And anyone who watched last night's game knows what an elite defender he is. Trae Young is a great offensive player, but Simmons' length and athleticism had a lot to do with his shooting 5 for 23 last night. And even though he was only credited with one steal last night, his hounding defense was a huge factor in Trae's 5 TOs.

Why spend so much time talking about a hypothetical trade that will probably never happen? A few reasons. First...it's what we do on message boards. Second, Philly fans are getting more and more vocal about their disdain for Simmons, and he is going to be the main whipping boy for their elimination. And finally, it's a deal that has been discussed on the internet often, so it has more legs than most rumors. Love to see it happen.

I'm cool with Simmons getting credit for defending Trae Young but overall I think Trae simply missed a lot of shots that were reasonably good looks. Maybe Simmons should have guarded Huerter. :)

Pretty much every team has some injury issues but it's worth mentioning that Atlanta was playing with a hobbled Bogdonovic and without Hunter who had a very nice season and I guess a good series against the Knicks.

FNG wrote:Wow, how lucky we were to get two Game 7's like we just had...and my team won both games! It's still a little discouraging to see how far these teams are ahead of our Wolves, but I'm still thoroughly enjoying these playoffs the deeper we get into them.

I'm enjoying the Simmons/DLO discussion, and for the record, I wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger on a trade. One of the guys at my house for the game last night is a Philly transplant and huge Sixers fan (his second favorite team teams this year were the Hawks and the Suns, so he'll be okay :) ), and he was slamming Simmons the entire night. After the bizarre play where Simmons refused an easy dunk in favor of a pass, I said to him "DLO for Simmons...do you take it?" Even in that moment of anguish, he said "Nope, can't do it". How sad for us that a Philly fan won't take our max PG for his max PG who he has spent the entire night ripping!

A couple additions to Drew's post above about Simmons' FT and 3-point percentages. While not good, he is showing improvement in his free throw shooting, as his (admittedly poor) FT success of 61.3% last season was better than his career rate. And does the fact that he made 3 out of the 10 3-pointers he tried tell us that he perhaps should try a few more...especially after shooting 10000 of them this summer in the gym? Let's not lose sight of the fact that despite his shooting woes, he is still a more efficient scorer than DLO with a 56 eFG% compared to DLO's 52.3. And anyone who watched last night's game knows what an elite defender he is. Trae Young is a great offensive player, but Simmons' length and athleticism had a lot to do with his shooting 5 for 23 last night. And even though he was only credited with one steal last night, his hounding defense was a huge factor in Trae's 5 TOs.

Why spend so much time talking about a hypothetical trade that will probably never happen? A few reasons. First...it's what we do on message boards. Second, Philly fans are getting more and more vocal about their disdain for Simmons, and he is going to be the main whipping boy for their elimination. And finally, it's a deal that has been discussed on the internet often, so it has more legs than most rumors. Love to see it happen.

Good post, FNG.

You're right about Simmons' defensive prowess. He's also an elite playmaker and rebounder for his position. But his shooting weakness is so glaring. A rotation player off the bench can have that weakness if he's an elite defender, but not your star guard. Simmons' perimeter shooting is on par with Okogie's, but Okogie is a bench player and at least Okogie is an excellent free-throw shooter.

I agree with all the reasons you listed for whey we talk so much about a DLO-Simmons trade. But I'll add that a deal for Simmons isn't so hypothetical anymore. I'm convinced that the Sixers will shop Simmons this summer and I think they'd be open to a DLO swap, although I'm not sure how much (if anything) extra they would expect in return. Of course, it depends on the sort of market that develops for him once it's known he's available. He's still a great player, but this year's playoffs have really exposed his weaknesses. And let's not kid ourselves. His shooting isn't going to improve. No one on this board seems to believe that Okogie's shooting will improve and he's been in the League only 3 years. Why would anyone believe that Simmons' shooting will improve after 5 years in the League? By the way, Ben's free-throw shooting percentage actually declined this season from 62% the previous season to 61%. He's never taken enough threes to give us a statistically valid sample. But suffice to say, the eye test tells the tale. He's a horrible shooter and his terrible free-throw shooting should purge any thought that he can become a decent perimeter shooter from behind the arc or even midrange. I don't think Rosas would pull the trigger on a DLO for Simmons deal. And after watching Simmons and giving it more thought, I'm in sync with Rosas on this. Never thought that would happen. :)

lipoli390 wrote:

FNG wrote:Wow, how lucky we were to get two Game 7's like we just had...and my team won both games! It's still a little discouraging to see how far these teams are ahead of our Wolves, but I'm still thoroughly enjoying these playoffs the deeper we get into them.

I'm enjoying the Simmons/DLO discussion, and for the record, I wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger on a trade. One of the guys at my house for the game last night is a Philly transplant and huge Sixers fan (his second favorite team teams this year were the Hawks and the Suns, so he'll be okay :) ), and he was slamming Simmons the entire night. After the bizarre play where Simmons refused an easy dunk in favor of a pass, I said to him "DLO for Simmons...do you take it?" Even in that moment of anguish, he said "Nope, can't do it". How sad for us that a Philly fan won't take our max PG for his max PG who he has spent the entire night ripping!

A couple additions to Drew's post above about Simmons' FT and 3-point percentages. While not good, he is showing improvement in his free throw shooting, as his (admittedly poor) FT success of 61.3% last season was better than his career rate. And does the fact that he made 3 out of the 10 3-pointers he tried tell us that he perhaps should try a few more...especially after shooting 10000 of them this summer in the gym? Let's not lose sight of the fact that despite his shooting woes, he is still a more efficient scorer than DLO with a 56 eFG% compared to DLO's 52.3. And anyone who watched last night's game knows what an elite defender he is. Trae Young is a great offensive player, but Simmons' length and athleticism had a lot to do with his shooting 5 for 23 last night. And even though he was only credited with one steal last night, his hounding defense was a huge factor in Trae's 5 TOs.

Why spend so much time talking about a hypothetical trade that will probably never happen? A few reasons. First...it's what we do on message boards. Second, Philly fans are getting more and more vocal about their disdain for Simmons, and he is going to be the main whipping boy for their elimination. And finally, it's a deal that has been discussed on the internet often, so it has more legs than most rumors. Love to see it happen.

Good post, FNG.

You're right about Simmons' defensive prowess. He's also an elite playmaker and rebounder for his position. But his shooting weakness is so glaring. A rotation player off the bench can have that weakness if he's an elite defender, but not your star guard. Simmons' perimeter shooting is on par with Okogie's, but Okogie is a bench player and at least Okogie is an excellent free-throw shooter.

I agree with all the reasons you listed for whey we talk so much about a DLO-Simmons trade. But I'll add that a deal for Simmons isn't so hypothetical anymore. I'm convinced that the Sixers will shop Simmons this summer and I think they'd be open to a DLO swap, although I'm not sure how much (if anything) extra they would expect in return. Of course, it depends on the sort of market that develops for him once it's known he's available. He's still a great player, but this year's playoffs have really exposed his weaknesses. And let's not kid ourselves. His shooting isn't going to improve. No one on this board seems to believe that Okogie's shooting will improve and he's been in the League only 3 years. Why would anyone believe that Simmons' shooting will improve after 5 years in the League? By the way, Ben's free-throw shooting percentage actually declined this season from 62% the previous season to 61%. He's never taken enough threes to give us a statistically valid sample. But suffice to say, the eye test tells the tale. He's a horrible shooter and his terrible free-throw shooting should purge any thought that he can become a decent perimeter shooter from behind the arc or even midrange. I don't think Rosas would pull the trigger on a DLO for Simmons deal. And after watching Simmons and giving it more thought, I'm in sync with Rosas on this. Never thought that would happen. :)

So you are say there is a market for Russell and now you don't want to move him? :) Are there other guards that the Sixers might go after? Devonte graham? Dinwiddie? Do they want a younger guy to grow with Embiid? I think Simmons will get shopped but if they don't find enough of a return for him...they won't make a deal. Morey and Rosas I think have met a couple times...so if either is interested in this theoretical swap at all I'm pretty sure they will talk.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

FNG wrote:Wow, how lucky we were to get two Game 7's like we just had...and my team won both games! It's still a little discouraging to see how far these teams are ahead of our Wolves, but I'm still thoroughly enjoying these playoffs the deeper we get into them.

I'm enjoying the Simmons/DLO discussion, and for the record, I wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger on a trade. One of the guys at my house for the game last night is a Philly transplant and huge Sixers fan (his second favorite team teams this year were the Hawks and the Suns, so he'll be okay :) ), and he was slamming Simmons the entire night. After the bizarre play where Simmons refused an easy dunk in favor of a pass, I said to him "DLO for Simmons...do you take it?" Even in that moment of anguish, he said "Nope, can't do it". How sad for us that a Philly fan won't take our max PG for his max PG who he has spent the entire night ripping!

A couple additions to Drew's post above about Simmons' FT and 3-point percentages. While not good, he is showing improvement in his free throw shooting, as his (admittedly poor) FT success of 61.3% last season was better than his career rate. And does the fact that he made 3 out of the 10 3-pointers he tried tell us that he perhaps should try a few more...especially after shooting 10000 of them this summer in the gym? Let's not lose sight of the fact that despite his shooting woes, he is still a more efficient scorer than DLO with a 56 eFG% compared to DLO's 52.3. And anyone who watched last night's game knows what an elite defender he is. Trae Young is a great offensive player, but Simmons' length and athleticism had a lot to do with his shooting 5 for 23 last night. And even though he was only credited with one steal last night, his hounding defense was a huge factor in Trae's 5 TOs.

Why spend so much time talking about a hypothetical trade that will probably never happen? A few reasons. First...it's what we do on message boards. Second, Philly fans are getting more and more vocal about their disdain for Simmons, and he is going to be the main whipping boy for their elimination. And finally, it's a deal that has been discussed on the internet often, so it has more legs than most rumors. Love to see it happen.

Good post, FNG.

You're right about Simmons' defensive prowess. He's also an elite playmaker and rebounder for his position. But his shooting weakness is so glaring. A rotation player off the bench can have that weakness if he's an elite defender, but not your star guard. Simmons' perimeter shooting is on par with Okogie's, but Okogie is a bench player and at least Okogie is an excellent free-throw shooter.

I agree with all the reasons you listed for whey we talk so much about a DLO-Simmons trade. But I'll add that a deal for Simmons isn't so hypothetical anymore. I'm convinced that the Sixers will shop Simmons this summer and I think they'd be open to a DLO swap, although I'm not sure how much (if anything) extra they would expect in return. Of course, it depends on the sort of market that develops for him once it's known he's available. He's still a great player, but this year's playoffs have really exposed his weaknesses. And let's not kid ourselves. His shooting isn't going to improve. No one on this board seems to believe that Okogie's shooting will improve and he's been in the League only 3 years. Why would anyone believe that Simmons' shooting will improve after 5 years in the League? By the way, Ben's free-throw shooting percentage actually declined this season from 62% the previous season to 61%. He's never taken enough threes to give us a statistically valid sample. But suffice to say, the eye test tells the tale. He's a horrible shooter and his terrible free-throw shooting should purge any thought that he can become a decent perimeter shooter from behind the arc or even midrange. I don't think Rosas would pull the trigger on a DLO for Simmons deal. And after watching Simmons and giving it more thought, I'm in sync with Rosas on this. Never thought that would happen. :)

So you are say there is a market for Russell and now you don't want to move him? :) Are there other guards that the Sixers might go after? Devonte graham? Dinwiddie? Do they want a younger guy to grow with Embiid? I think Simmons will get shopped but if they don't find enough of a return for him...they won't make a deal. Morey and Rosas I think have met a couple times...so if either is interested in this theoretical swap at all I'm pretty sure they will talk.

I was referring to a market for Simmons. I think a number of teams will be interested in him. I think the market for DLO will be one team, the Sixers. :) DLO just seems like a perfect fit for the Sixers with a defensive anchor like Embiid in the middle. But I have no idea how much more than DLO they'd expect in return for Simmons. And it's probably just academic because, as I noted in my last post, I don't see Rosas interested in making that deal. DLO is part of Rosas's vision and I also think Rosas is reluctant to do something that will alienate KAT - something like trading KAT's best friend.

I don't think the Sixers would have any interest in Graham as a replacement for Simmons - unless Morey has taken leave of his senses. Dinwiddie would be an interesting target for the Sixers in some sort of sign-and-trade. But Dinwiddie is coming off an ACL tear and a salary match would end up giving Dinwiddie something close to a max deal. I don't see any team, including the Sixers, agreeing to that sort of contract with Dinwiddie. I think Dinwiddie will end up with the Knicks as a free agent. Like you, I don't think the Sixers will trade Simmons unless they get a deal they believe better positions them to advance another step in the playoffs.

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

FNG wrote:Wow, how lucky we were to get two Game 7's like we just had...and my team won both games! It's still a little discouraging to see how far these teams are ahead of our Wolves, but I'm still thoroughly enjoying these playoffs the deeper we get into them.

I'm enjoying the Simmons/DLO discussion, and for the record, I wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger on a trade. One of the guys at my house for the game last night is a Philly transplant and huge Sixers fan (his second favorite team teams this year were the Hawks and the Suns, so he'll be okay :) ), and he was slamming Simmons the entire night. After the bizarre play where Simmons refused an easy dunk in favor of a pass, I said to him "DLO for Simmons...do you take it?" Even in that moment of anguish, he said "Nope, can't do it". How sad for us that a Philly fan won't take our max PG for his max PG who he has spent the entire night ripping!

A couple additions to Drew's post above about Simmons' FT and 3-point percentages. While not good, he is showing improvement in his free throw shooting, as his (admittedly poor) FT success of 61.3% last season was better than his career rate. And does the fact that he made 3 out of the 10 3-pointers he tried tell us that he perhaps should try a few more...especially after shooting 10000 of them this summer in the gym? Let's not lose sight of the fact that despite his shooting woes, he is still a more efficient scorer than DLO with a 56 eFG% compared to DLO's 52.3. And anyone who watched last night's game knows what an elite defender he is. Trae Young is a great offensive player, but Simmons' length and athleticism had a lot to do with his shooting 5 for 23 last night. And even though he was only credited with one steal last night, his hounding defense was a huge factor in Trae's 5 TOs.

Why spend so much time talking about a hypothetical trade that will probably never happen? A few reasons. First...it's what we do on message boards. Second, Philly fans are getting more and more vocal about their disdain for Simmons, and he is going to be the main whipping boy for their elimination. And finally, it's a deal that has been discussed on the internet often, so it has more legs than most rumors. Love to see it happen.

Good post, FNG.

You're right about Simmons' defensive prowess. He's also an elite playmaker and rebounder for his position. But his shooting weakness is so glaring. A rotation player off the bench can have that weakness if he's an elite defender, but not your star guard. Simmons' perimeter shooting is on par with Okogie's, but Okogie is a bench player and at least Okogie is an excellent free-throw shooter.

I agree with all the reasons you listed for whey we talk so much about a DLO-Simmons trade. But I'll add that a deal for Simmons isn't so hypothetical anymore. I'm convinced that the Sixers will shop Simmons this summer and I think they'd be open to a DLO swap, although I'm not sure how much (if anything) extra they would expect in return. Of course, it depends on the sort of market that develops for him once it's known he's available. He's still a great player, but this year's playoffs have really exposed his weaknesses. And let's not kid ourselves. His shooting isn't going to improve. No one on this board seems to believe that Okogie's shooting will improve and he's been in the League only 3 years. Why would anyone believe that Simmons' shooting will improve after 5 years in the League? By the way, Ben's free-throw shooting percentage actually declined this season from 62% the previous season to 61%. He's never taken enough threes to give us a statistically valid sample. But suffice to say, the eye test tells the tale. He's a horrible shooter and his terrible free-throw shooting should purge any thought that he can become a decent perimeter shooter from behind the arc or even midrange. I don't think Rosas would pull the trigger on a DLO for Simmons deal. And after watching Simmons and giving it more thought, I'm in sync with Rosas on this. Never thought that would happen. :)

So you are say there is a market for Russell and now you don't want to move him? :) Are there other guards that the Sixers might go after? Devonte graham? Dinwiddie? Do they want a younger guy to grow with Embiid? I think Simmons will get shopped but if they don't find enough of a return for him...they won't make a deal. Morey and Rosas I think have met a couple times...so if either is interested in this theoretical swap at all I'm pretty sure they will talk.

I was referring to a market for Simmons. I think a number of teams will be interested in him. I think the market for DLO will be one team, the Sixers. :) DLO just seems like a perfect fit for the Sixers with a defensive anchor like Embiid in the middle. But I have no idea how much more than DLO they'd expect in return for Simmons. And it's probably just academic because, as I noted in my last post, I don't see Rosas interested in making that deal. DLO is part of Rosas's vision and I also think Rosas is reluctant to do something that will alienate KAT - something like trading KAT's best friend.

I don't think the Sixers would have any interest in Graham as a replacement for Simmons - unless Morey has taken leave of his senses. Dinwiddie would be an interesting target for the Sixers in some sort of sign-and-trade. But Dinwiddie is coming off an ACL tear and a salary match would end up giving Dinwiddie something close to a max deal. I don't see any team, including the Sixers, agreeing to that sort of contract with Dinwiddie. I think Dinwiddie will end up with the Knicks as a free agent. Like you, I don't think the Sixers will trade Simmons unless they get a deal they believe better positions them to advance another step in the playoffs.

I was mostly just coming up with pretty good guards that would at least be available as FAs. I wasn't considering too much how easier they would be to acquire. Lonzo Ball and Lowry are other FAs. Adding any of those guys certainly would be challenging for a number of reasons.

One other FA that might be gettable for the Sixers but might not be the player they need is Dennis Schroeder. The Lakers gave up Danny Green and the #28 pick this year for him. If he had been the guy he was in OKC last year then it may have been worth it. I thought that was a lot of pay asDanny Green himself has quite a bit of value. Dennis S regressed some especially shooting the 3 and it sounds like he struggled at times in he playoffs. Supposedly he turned down an over 80 million dollar deal from the Lakers earlier this year. If he ends up leaving the Lakers that deal isn't going to look to good especially with McDaniels looking like a nice player for the Wolves.

Edit: As you noted Dinwiddie to the Knicks makes a lot of sense. I do think the Knicks are a team that would be interested in Russell as well (or some type of guard including Dinwiddie) but they have the ability to sign a player in FA instead of making a move for Russell.

Looking at the Nets it will be interesting to see how they are able to fill out their roster. Depth still matters in the NBA and losing Dinwiddie early in the season hurt them especially in the playoffs when he would have been a nice guy to have when other players were hurt. Dinwiddie is a risk in terms of staying healthy himself and he isn't exactly a guy that's a good shooter from 3. The Nets are going to be able to get some ring chaser guys to sign for cheap but they need to work well around the margins. Fortunately for them they have Sean Marks as their GM. He was able to build up a roster when it was crap and didn't have draft picks. Now he has stars to build around which presents both similar and yet a different situation.

... did the Mavericks lose the Doncic Young trade?

I'm kidding of course... Or am I?

BloopOracle wrote:... did the Mavericks lose the Doncic Young trade?

I'm kidding of course... Or am I?

Well, a month ago, some folks would have laughed and others might have organized an intervention to rescue you from some mental or emotional abyss. But no one's laughing or contemplating an intervention now. The emergence of Young in the playoffs this year lends further credence to the prowess of Atlanta's front office. I thought they hit a home run drafting Collins at #19. I thought they did really well drafting Huerter at #19 as well. But I doubted their Cam Johnson and Hunter picks and I really doubted their Young-Doncic swap. Turns out I was wrong on all three. They hit another home run with their trade for Capella, giving up very little for a terrific defensive big. I initially questioned the Chris Paul acquisition, but I'm not questioning it now. I think the Okongwu pick will turn out to be a home run as well.

Two things on tonight's Hawks win:

1) Khris Middleton was 0-9 from 3 point distance and 6-23 for the game (Big surprise)

2) I could outcoach Budenholzer