Jimmy Butler traded to Philly

[TheGrey08]

I keep reading posters bringing up teague opting out next year and opening up more cap money. I happen to think that no way jeff teague opt out of 19m. That is not going to happen guys. Teague will never get 19m/yr from another team for the rest of his career after next season. Its the Last big contract of his career.

Your only choice is to trade him. So we should stop having hope that teague opts out next year and freeing more cap space for us to use. Not going to happen.

In no way do I think he is for sure going to opt out, but the reason I have mentioned it as a possibility is the majority of the league has cap space this summer. The other point guard free agents are Irving (signing with Boston), Kemba (near max), Rubio and teague. So not much competition.

So he might want to take the 3yr/13 to 15 mil a year. Instead of taking the 1yr/19 mil and then no cap space for teams in 2020 so he could make 3yr/7mil a year

You also have to factor in situation. This year was/is a shitshow. He's been hurt. The cumulative money he makes on his next deal is gonna be worth more than 19 million and he can go to a better situation with multiple teams needing PG's this summer and cap space available everywhere due to cap spike year deals starting to expire. 3/36 or 3/45 in a better sitution is gonna be a no brainer for him. The only way he stays here is if we make the playoffs and that's a big if at this point. He's as good as gone if we miss the playoffs.

I wonder if he would opt out in exchange for a longer deal that is quite a bit cheaper annually.

It still dont make sense for teague to opt out. Can you name a team that is going to pay teague the 3/36 or 3/45 that you are throwing out? Have you factor the way the league is going? Teams are throwing out 1 year deals to have cap flexibility year after year. Teague is not a needle mover that you are going to invest 3/36 or 3/45 in. He is a guy you give a 1 yr deal to even at a his salary because he is not viewed as a long term answer at pg for any team. Only way for teague to secure a 3 year deal from any team is if he agrees to a 5-7m deal a year. The team that offer him that will use him as a placeholder while they develop their pg of the future or as a bench guy. That is the reality of teagues situation. He can sign that deal after he take his 19m guaranteed money next season.

Depending on how this season plays out, I could see the Wolves offering 3/36 if he opts out with the idea of adding another piece via free agency.

How many shot creators did Teague play with when the Hawks were a contender?
Will this team look anything like his old Hawks team?

[Monster]

Isnt knight only signed for this and next year? If would likely be a 2 year plan anyways. Tank, get zion and your 4 1sts. By next year knight is an expiring which becomes a valuable trade chip all of a sudden. Either let him expire to make a big signing in 2020 or deal him for something good for his expiring. By then hopefully gs dynasty is over. Stars win in this league. Teams with covingtons and sarics of the world end up at end of lottery or sneak into playoffs. Think we have had our fill of teams filled with role players. Last time we had 3 legitimate stars was casell sprewell and garnett.

If you want a valuable trade chip as an expiring we have that right now with Bayless at 8 million and Taj. Just because you tank doesn't mean you are gonna get one of the top players. One of those top players might end up to not be any good. As I mentioned before the Sixers and other teams have traded role players and young guys to get top level talents. Houston really only had Harden as a star and then ended up with Chris Paul in a trade and Capela a mid round pick is kind of a very good starter. What did Houston trade to get chris Paul? Role players. Why did Chris Pail want to go to Houston? They were pretty good.

Now I think there is absolutely a reasonable angle of basically rebuilding like you are suggesting by getting as many assets as possible etc. I think it's fair to say there is more than one route and either can be worthwhile.

[TheGrey08]

So it sounded like Teague played great tonight. I missed most of the game, but caught something Jim Pete said after the game. He said Teague has never missed the playoffs and that people forget just how talented he is.

I can't wait to see the new guys Wednesday and IF Teague plays at a high level and meshes well with the new team/offense, sign me up for the resign Teague club. I know I know.. it was just 1 game, but you never know how this season plays out. It just might really surprise us.

[TheFuture]

So I do like this trade considering the position we were in, but I can't help but find it hilarious that Thibs essentially traded Butler, LaVine, Dunn (his #5 pick after 1 year), a #7 pick, Patton (his #17 pick after 1 year) for Covington, Saric, Bayless, and a 2nd.

If that's not terms for firing ( on top of our on court display ) I'm not sure what is.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

So I do like this trade considering the position we were in, but I can't help but find it hilarious that Thibs essentially traded Butler, LaVine, Dunn (his #5 pick after 1 year), a #7 pick, Patton (his #17 pick after 1 year) for Covington, Saric, Bayless, and a 2nd.

If that's not terms for firing ( on top of our on court display ) I'm not sure what is.

That wasn't the trade.

He traded lavine, dunn, and mark for covington, saric, bayless, 2nd rounder, 1 year of playoffs, and 1 year of headaches.

Covington is still the best player in the deal.

[TheFuture]

So I do like this trade considering the position we were in, but I can't help but find it hilarious that Thibs essentially traded Butler, LaVine, Dunn (his #5 pick after 1 year), a #7 pick, Patton (his #17 pick after 1 year) for Covington, Saric, Bayless, and a 2nd.

If that's not terms for firing ( on top of our on court display ) I'm not sure what is.

That wasn't the trade.

He traded lavine, dunn, and mark for covington, saric, bayless, 2nd rounder, 1 year of playoffs, and 1 year of headaches.

Covington is still the best player in the deal.

I guess that's a fair way to look at it too, though you are forgetting the #17 pick in Patton.

Personally, I'd take LaVine and Markannen over the long haul, especially with the way the league keeps trying to diminish defense. The spacing on that team would be unreal.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

So I do like this trade considering the position we were in, but I can't help but find it hilarious that Thibs essentially traded Butler, LaVine, Dunn (his #5 pick after 1 year), a #7 pick, Patton (his #17 pick after 1 year) for Covington, Saric, Bayless, and a 2nd.

If that's not terms for firing ( on top of our on court display ) I'm not sure what is.

That wasn't the trade.

He traded lavine, dunn, and mark for covington, saric, bayless, 2nd rounder, 1 year of playoffs, and 1 year of headaches.

Covington is still the best player in the deal.

I guess that's a fair way to look at it too, though you are forgetting the #17 pick in Patton.

Personally, I'd take LaVine and Markannen over the long haul, especially with the way the league keeps trying to diminish defense. The spacing on that team would be unreal.

You're trying way too hard to make Thibs look like he wasted assets here. Your first post wasn't even remotely close to a realistic view of what assets were traded for what. And then kek accurately laid out what was essentially swapped over the course of two years, and you still came back with "you're forgetting the 17th pick" when the Wolves never would have had that pick to begin with. That pick was a byproduct of giving up LaVine, Dunn, and Markkanen.

It's essentially LaVine, Dunn, and Markkanen for Covington, Saric, Bayless, and a 2nd-round pick. And depending on your individual opinion of each player, that will determine whether it's hilarious and grounds for firing or relatively close to even value, or exceeding, and worthy of some sort of praise aside from the chaos and slander that came with it.

PS: One could argue that Covington (36.9% 3P in 17-18) and Saric (39.3% 3P) are better floor spacers than LaVine (34.1% 3P) and Markkanen (36.2% 3P), but whatever floats your boat.

[Duke13]

Go down to the bare bones of each asset, where each player was drafted and it's pretty easy to state the wolves have managed assets poorly.

Dunn the # 5 pick, no questionablely had less value at the time we traded him as it was when we drafted him. The organization didn't maximize that pick or asset.

Markkanen the number 8 pick most likely has more value now after the trade.

And Cam, yes it plenty fair to use Patton and the 16 pick in any argument. The #16 pick in a very good draft holds a ton of value in this league right now. A year after owning that asset it was worth virtually nothing.

You wanna break it down this way. The wolves had in their possession over the last 4 years, the #5, #8, #13, and #16 picks. They turned it into a two players, one undafted, and the other amid teens pick, and a 2nd rounder. That's not maximizing your assets.

Obviously the two players coming from Philly currently have more value now, can't say the same for the wolves and their picks. I'm not an economist by any means but isn't that called diminishing returns or something like that.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Reading comprehension is difficult. That must be the problem here.

[MikkeMan]

Go down to the bare bones of each asset, where each player was drafted and it's pretty easy to state the wolves have managed assets poorly.

Dunn the # 5 pick, no questionablely had less value at the time we traded him as it was when we drafted him. The organization didn't maximize that pick or asset.

Markkanen the number 8 pick most likely has more value now after the trade.

And Cam, yes it plenty fair to use Patton and the 16 pick in any argument. The #16 pick in a very good draft holds a ton of value in this league right now. A year after owning that asset it was worth virtually nothing.

You wanna break it down this way. The wolves had in their possession over the last 4 years, the #5, #8, #13, and #16 picks. They turned it into a two players, one undafted, and the other amid teens pick, and a 2nd rounder. That's not maximizing your assets.

Obviously the two players coming from Philly currently have more value now, can't say the same for the wolves and their picks. I'm not an economist by any means but isn't that called diminishing returns or something like that.

Based on this logic team that trades 5th pick to 4th pick and then that 4th pick to 3rd pick and finally received 3rd pick to 2nd pick hasn't used its assets very well because it had 5th, 4th and 3rd pick but ended with only 2nd pick.

Obviously this is flawed logic just like counting 16th pick that was received together with Jimmy Butler, as a part of assets together with Lavine, Dunn and Markkanen that were in the end used to get Covington and Saric.