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Re: Trade season

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 6:33 am
by FNG
I'll also add that TC seems to operate in the dark...that is, you don't hear about the deals he eventually does until after they happen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but were there any rumors about the Rudy, KAT and Mike/NAW deals?

Re: Trade season

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 9:03 am
by Wolvesfan21
Lipoli390 wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 11:16 pm
Q-is-here wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 12:02 pm
FNG wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 7:21 am

I think that's where I am also, Lip...teams shouldn't be looking at a big move after winning 6 out of 7. But then again this is TC...we've learned he's not your typical POBO. And some reasonably reliable sources have written about him inquiring about Kyrie, Coby, Giannis and even Ja. He seems to be out there trying to make something happen, but I lean toward standing pat.
Missed this earlier and meant to comment on it....My sense is that Tim Connelly literally talks to every other front office in the league and inquires about nearly everyone. That does two things. First, it maximizes his chances at eventually finding something that makes sense or at least exhausts every avenue for improving the team, even if it ultimately leads to no deal.

Second, if you show interest in everyone, it's pretty much the same as showing interest in no one since the sheer volume of inquiries makes it hard to decipher whether any of it is real!

That doesn't mean Connelly won't make a deal before this season's trade deadline, but when a name like Coby White or Giannis or Ja comes up, we should't be surprised that Minnesota is nearly always named as a potential suitor and give the appropriate amount of weight to it becoming a reality.
I think that’s right Q. It took me a while but I’ve finally realized, as you noted, that the repeated trade rumors involving the Wolves are simply the product of TC constantly inquiring about nearly every player who might be available and he seems comfortable with those inquiries being leaked. So I’ve learned to take most reports about TC pursuing certain players with a grain of salt. He’s not pursuing; he’s just inquiring.

We have yet to see any sign of TC replicating here what he did in Denver. He built the Nuggets into a championship team by drafting Jokic, Murray and Porter and then making one deal to bring in Aaron Gordon. He was never impressive as a wheeler dealer. His speciality was drafting and developing talent. So far with the Wolves, he’s living mainly off what he inherited from Rosas — namely Edwards, Jaden and Naz. He used the bank of future draft assets inherited from Rosas to get Rudy but getting Rudy eventually cost him KAT. He got decent value for KAT in Randle and Donte, but that’s not overly impressive. With KAT as their Center the Knicks are giving up fewer points per game than the Wolves with Rudy. I don’t think TC has been bad at his job, but he hasn’t been particularly good.

I don’t think we’ll see TC make some team-altering trade that propels the Wolves into the NBA finals this season. That’s not because i think he’s incompetent; it’s just really hard to pull that sort of thing off. What TC can do is trust the players and coaches he has - including the key players Rosas drafted and the head coach Rosas hired. I’d like to see that head coach put more trust in the players TC drafted, allowing them to play through their mistakes. I don’t know if that will happen, but that’s still my hope. But we can’t complain too much about the position we’re in - 8 games over .500 and only 2 games out of 2nd place. The lack of consistent effort on both ends and lack of consistent ball movement offensively are things to fix and it may turn out we need a new head coach to fix those things. How about Mike Malone?
Are you talking specifically the Rudy minutes versus KAT minutes? Because I know through like 20 games we were abhorrent (dead last in the NBA by a mile) on defense in the non Rudy minutes and top 10 with him (haven't checked them lately but I think our heavy zone has helped the non Rudy time).

Still NOT where we should be and certainly our lackluster defensive measures have been a lack of effort. We think we can just show up and win every night. Play with bad teams and let them have 10 point leads. Then turn it on in the 3rd and 4th and hopefully pull it out.

We're certainly not OKC in that measure who blows most teams out.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 10:01 am
by rapsuperstar31
Go back on our word to Mike. Mike and three seconds for Tre Jones. Flat 8 million this year and the next two years with a team option on the third year. We don't lose Mike's salary slot like we would if we just let him expire in the summer. Takes $2,774,038 off of our cap in breathing room if we need to add a player at some point, or convert Rocco, Pullin, or Newton to a regular contract.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 12:28 pm
by AussieWolf3
Thought experiment:

What difference would it make for this team if you made a move for another established star- one with at least a semblance of a possibility of being moved.

So not Ja, Trae or LaMelo not Joker or Luka but an established star who's team or that player needs to move in a different direction.

Is the team better if they move say Randle and Naz for Mitchell or Jaylen Brown?

I ask because I struggle to understand if and how the roster make-up of this team is set up to win a championship.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 12:41 pm
by KiwiMatt
AussieWolf3 wrote: Thu Dec 18, 2025 12:28 pm Thought experiment:

What difference would it make for this team if you made a move for another established star- one with at least a semblance of a possibility of being moved.

So not Ja, Trae or LaMelo not Joker or Luka but an established star who's team or that player needs to move in a different direction.

Is the team better if they move say Randle and Naz for Mitchell or Jaylen Brown?

I ask because I struggle to understand if and how the roster make-up of this team is set up to win a championship.
I don't think we have the assets to acquire a star player, and it potentially isn't worth further sacrificing the long term for the short term.

What we need is to re-jig the roster and add a bit of proven depth.

I'm still on the 'trade Julius Randle' band wagon. Yes he is an important cog to our offense, but I still question the fit and his lackadaisical defense and rebounding seems to offset his offensive production. In alot of the games with Julius it feels like the whole 'empty stats' thing. Last night against Memphis was a good example.

I wonder if Chicago would be interested in a Julius Randle to Chicago for Coby White and Nikola Vucevic type deal?

Re: Trade season

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 1:58 pm
by AussieWolf3
Maybe another way to ask: is this team really an above average PG away?

I find myself unconvinced of that and I'm suspicious that a more serious shakeup is necessary (not mid season mind you). So it's just just something I ponder.

We'll see how it looks having Ant back in the lineup and Bones in the rotation

Re: Trade season

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 3:02 pm
by Phenom
AussieWolf3 wrote: Thu Dec 18, 2025 1:58 pm Maybe another way to ask: is this team really an above average PG away?

I find myself unconvinced of that and I'm suspicious that a more serious shakeup is necessary (not mid season mind you). So it's just just something I ponder.

We'll see how it looks having Ant back in the lineup and Bones in the rotation
I think they've shown that they need some kind of lever to pull against OKC. They have the levers to pull against Jokic, KD, Luka, etc. They may not always work but its, at worst, a toss up.

Can they find something for OKC or do they need to get that piece outside of the organization? Unfortunately its not a single player issue like those other examples but Shai is a large piece of it. OKC just doesnt seem to be concerned about anyone other than Ant.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 3:33 pm
by rapsuperstar31
AussieWolf3 wrote: Thu Dec 18, 2025 1:58 pm Maybe another way to ask: is this team really an above average PG away?

I find myself unconvinced of that and I'm suspicious that a more serious shakeup is necessary (not mid season mind you). So it's just just something I ponder.

We'll see how it looks having Ant back in the lineup and Bones in the rotation
I think a point guard or at least someone that can handle the rock is important, but I also think just getting a consistent 7th/8th man would be nice. Clark is the closest thing we have to that 7th man. When he can't hit that wide open shot that defenders are leaving him alone to double someone else it really hurts on offense. I thought one of Shannon, Rob, or Clark could have provided that at this point, and they haven't been able to.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 3:58 pm
by Phenom
Scrolling HoopsHype shows 2 interesting tidbits coming from the Stein Line. James Harden status is reportedly being monitored by teams and the same sourced article reiterates the Wolves are scouring the league for a true playmaker.

I also listened to a recent Kevin OConnor podcast about trades and he and Raheem Palmer (an LA guy) specifically talked about the Wolves and Harden being the best match on the court.

I know Ju has seemed to endear himself with many Wolves fans but could Harden be a step up from Julius?

Ju, Mike and Rob for Harden, Batum and Kobe Brown works in Spotrac.

Harden/Bones
Ant/JC
Jaden/TJ
Naz/Batum
Rudy/Joan

This would open up more time at the 4 and 5 for Jaden. Harden and Ant would be a handful. I see that Harden and Batum have veto powers on a trade. Hopefully the chance to win and for Batum to team up with Rudy would be enticing. If not, winning probably isn't that important to them anymore. I am intrigued by the idea.

Re: Trade season

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 6:43 pm
by Q-is-here
rapsuperstar31 wrote: Thu Dec 18, 2025 3:33 pm
AussieWolf3 wrote: Thu Dec 18, 2025 1:58 pm Maybe another way to ask: is this team really an above average PG away?

I find myself unconvinced of that and I'm suspicious that a more serious shakeup is necessary (not mid season mind you). So it's just just something I ponder.

We'll see how it looks having Ant back in the lineup and Bones in the rotation
I think a point guard or at least someone that can handle the rock is important, but I also think just getting a consistent 7th/8th man would be nice. Clark is the closest thing we have to that 7th man. When he can't hit that wide open shot that defenders are leaving him alone to double someone else it really hurts on offense. I thought one of Shannon, Rob, or Clark could have provided that at this point, and they haven't been able to.
Ditto. I thought NAW was expendable because at least two of these three, if not all three, would fill the void and then some. It's been the total opposite and has kind of screwed us since their value as trade assets is going down too.

With the 2nd apron restrictions, you just have to find rotation guys on rookie contracts. Clark is the only one providing plus-level play, but he has a fairly narrow role and now he's starting to miss his open 3s. Just not a good situation all the way around.