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bleedspeed177 wrote:I know you are right and part of it is we paid Remmers to much to not play him. I am a fan of Hill and hearing O'Neill pushing him for playing time is good news to me. I wonder who is the best RT on this team out of Remmers, Hill, and O'Neill. If it is Remmers I would rather have him start. I just don't see anyone upfront playing all year.

I agree about Edison. He seems to have done enough good things, but it is hard knowing how many OL we will keep in the top 53. OL flexibility becomes key.

We have been on the same page for quite a while on the Remmers to guard thing. On a podcast Wolfson reported the Vikings REALLY like Rashad Hill and that Remmers was going to be at RG. I think we all know this is the way it was but Wolfson was absolutely definitive there. I don't remember exactly which podcast that was but it was within the last month.

It's not about the Vikings paid Remmers too much not to play it's what position should he be at. He was the 2nd best ranked lineman by PPF by a significant margin last year so you could argue that he is the best olineman on the roster...sad and maybea bit unfair to Reiff whonis playing a premium position. It's weird to move an average RT inside. One angle I can see is they don't think he will actually hold up well in the playoffs against the top pass rushers and Hill has that athletic ability. Adding ONeill May have cemented their decision. Remmers contract is perfectly fine for even an average guard. Also you want the best guys out there but if you take out Remmers and put in other guys...then you basically have 1 player in Reiff that has more than 2 seasons of experience and a 2nd year center who still hasn't joined the team for practices. They need Remmers in there. Hopefully they have assessed this correctly. Both of us have stayed skeptical although like you said there have been some positive reports about both Hill and O'neil

So if Reiff goes down who plays LT? I would think it would be Hill or Remmers even though Collins got some burn.

Speaking of Josh Andrews.
https://www.dailynorseman.com/2018/8/13/17686912/dont-sleep-on-josh-andrews-minnesota-vikings

bleedspeed177 wrote:So if Reiff goes down who plays LT? I would think it would be Hill or Remmers even though Collins got some burn.

Speaking of Josh Andrews.
https://www.dailynorseman.com/2018/8/13/17686912/dont-sleep-on-josh-andrews-minnesota-vikings

Good find. This is a good article by Coller about the PFF grades for the preseason. I liek how he laid out how the grades come to be etc.

Saw this in FB from dailynorseman.

Mid-week Musings -- 10 thoughts on our Offensive Line Development:

1- The Vikings obviously place a premium on Defensive players (It is the IDENTITY of the team after all), followed by skilled Offensive playmakers.

2- We all know that Rick Spielman is no Jerry Jones when it comes to how he values/views an Offensive lineman.

However --

3- Our O-Line is supposedly "terrible," and yet our Offense ranked 10th in scoring last year and 11th overall.

bleedspeed177 wrote:Saw this in FB from dailynorseman.

Mid-week Musings -- 10 thoughts on our Offensive Line Development:

1- The Vikings obviously place a premium on Defensive players (It is the IDENTITY of the team after all), followed by skilled Offensive playmakers.

2- We all know that Rick Spielman is no Jerry Jones when it comes to how he values/views an Offensive lineman.

However --

3- Our O-Line is supposedly "terrible," and yet our Offense ranked 10th in scoring last year and 11th overall.

The Vikings have prioritized defense in the draft but I also think the last few years they have prioritized Best player available even more. There have been a couple times the draft just feel a certain way with olineman coming off the board and leaving a different player or a defensive player they selected was just too good to pass up. They should have put some more resources into the oline via the draft but they have put some money into the line via FA the problem is Those guys haven't exactly been awesome which probably isn't a surprise. They have used a couple higher picks on guys like Elflien and O'Neil so they are moving in the right direction. So you take an olineman with a higher pick that might project to be just averagish or a player at anothe rposition you think has a chance to be really good? It's not an easy decision. If Remmers is an average guard this year Elf takes a step forward after coming off an injury and one of their younger players steps up...they will be on their way. That's a lot of ifs. Plenty of other teams have questions about their line though. Maybe not as many and with maybe more proven answers but it's a problem around the league. That's why guys like Reiff and Kalil got a bunch of money for being average at best.

bleedspeed177 wrote:Saw this in FB from dailynorseman.

Mid-week Musings -- 10 thoughts on our Offensive Line Development:

1- The Vikings obviously place a premium on Defensive players (It is the IDENTITY of the team after all), followed by skilled Offensive playmakers.

2- We all know that Rick Spielman is no Jerry Jones when it comes to how he values/views an Offensive lineman.

However --

3- Our O-Line is supposedly "terrible," and yet our Offense ranked 10th in scoring last year and 11th overall.

I mean a good O-Line makes that a top 5 offense and makes us a frontrunner if not the frontrunner to win the Superbowl. The whole team is stacked outside of this line which is looking like probably another train wreck and we have a less mobile QB this year. We're essentially playing with fire not solidifying this unit because it is one of the easiest ways to tank a winning team. Look at Seattle. That's what we're looking at with this O-Line. They could have locked in multiple better seasons that could have been superbowl runs just by simply making Wilson not have to run for his life at all times. To me it's just unnecessarily playing with fire.

It is tough. I love an overpowering OL that you can line up and run over defenses, but wonder if those days are behind us. Look at what Patriots do. Before them, the Colts didn't have a great line, but Peyton got rid of the ball quickly. I think with the rule changes we are going to see more pulling and screening moving forward. I think guys like Elfein, Easton, O'Neill, Isidora, and Collins play into this. They are not hulking mass movers, but guys that can get to the second level and pull out wide in space. That is not Norv Turner offense, but might be where things are going more as helmet rules effect the game.

Saw this on DN

"Tom Compton 'got dinged up' apparently after practice moved outside again, and so Danny Isidora was moved to left guard and Brian O'Neill inside to right guard while Aviante Collins remains at right tackle. Hmmm."

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2018/8/16/17701428/vikings-jags-8-16-practice

bleedspeed177 wrote:Saw this on DN

"Tom Compton 'got dinged up' apparently after practice moved outside again, and so Danny Isidora was moved to left guard and Brian O'Neill inside to right guard while Aviante Collins remains at right tackle. Hmmm."

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2018/8/16/17701428/vikings-jags-8-16-practice

It's definitely not a good thing to have guys moving around this much. I don't know how you improve at one spot if you keep swapping inside/out or even from side to side.

I saw a stat on NFL.com previewing the upcoming Seahawk preseason game that no QB has been sacked more than Russell willson the past 5 years 241 times. I'm sure some of that is he has been healthy that whole time but...not good.