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CoolBreeze44 wrote:Two things on tonight's Hawks win:

1) Khris Middleton was 0-9 from 3 point distance and 6-23 for the game (Big surprise)

2) I could outcoach Budenholzer

I totally agree with both of your points, Cool! I like both teams, but I'm pulling for Milwaukee. I have to pull for an upper Midwest cold-weather team. I also have relatives there. :) So I was a bit disappointed by tonight's result. But it was a heck of a game.

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Two things on tonight's Hawks win:

1) Khris Middleton was 0-9 from 3 point distance and 6-23 for the game (Big surprise)

2) I could outcoach Budenholzer

I totally agree with both of your points, Cool! I like both teams, but I'm pulling for Milwaukee. I have to pull for an upper Midwest cold-weather team. I also have relatives there. :) So I was a bit disappointed by tonight's result. But it was a heck of a game.

Thanks man, the Bucks sure like to make things hard on themselves. Still think they will win the series, but now it looks like it will be another long one.

lipoli390 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:... did the Mavericks lose the Doncic Young trade?

I'm kidding of course... Or am I?

Well, a month ago, some folks would have laughed and others might have organized an intervention to rescue you from some mental or emotional abyss. But no one's laughing or contemplating an intervention now. The emergence of Young in the playoffs this year lends further credence to the prowess of Atlanta's front office. I thought they hit a home run drafting Collins at #19. I thought they did really well drafting Huerter at #19 as well. But I doubted their Cam Johnson and Hunter picks and I really doubted their Young-Doncic swap. Turns out I was wrong on all three. They hit another home run with their trade for Capella, giving up very little for a terrific defensive big. I initially questioned the Chris Paul acquisition, but I'm not questioning it now. I think the Okongwu pick will turn out to be a home run as well.

I think you meant Cam Reddish who so far has been basically Culver level bad. That was the guy they picked with the draft pick they got from the Mavs for the Luka Young deal.

Personally I always thought both teams did well in this trade. I think as high on Trae young and although I like Donic more I thought getting another valuable pick and still getting Young was a good move. The Mavs got their guy. I'm simply enjoying both of their careers. I would guess both teams are happy with their guy. I have always thought Trae young was a nice player to have and no shame to have him instead of Luka and Luka is a really good player.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Two things on tonight's Hawks win:

1) Khris Middleton was 0-9 from 3 point distance and 6-23 for the game (Big surprise)

2) I could outcoach Budenholzer

I totally agree with both of your points, Cool! I like both teams, but I'm pulling for Milwaukee. I have to pull for an upper Midwest cold-weather team. I also have relatives there. :) So I was a bit disappointed by tonight's result. But it was a heck of a game.

Thanks man, the Bucks sure like to make things hard on themselves. Still think they will win the series, but now it looks like it will be another long one.

It looks like Jrue Holiday had a nice game.

Something to consider...the Bucks won 5 more regular season games than the Hawks. That's not a huge gap especially the way the Hawks started off the season well below .500. Both teams are playing without a starting young player.

I'll be happy for the Bucks if they win. For one thing one of my best friends is from that area but I can't help but cheer for the underdog Hawks.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:... did the Mavericks lose the Doncic Young trade?

I'm kidding of course... Or am I?

Well, a month ago, some folks would have laughed and others might have organized an intervention to rescue you from some mental or emotional abyss. But no one's laughing or contemplating an intervention now. The emergence of Young in the playoffs this year lends further credence to the prowess of Atlanta's front office. I thought they hit a home run drafting Collins at #19. I thought they did really well drafting Huerter at #19 as well. But I doubted their Cam Johnson and Hunter picks and I really doubted their Young-Doncic swap. Turns out I was wrong on all three. They hit another home run with their trade for Capella, giving up very little for a terrific defensive big. I initially questioned the Chris Paul acquisition, but I'm not questioning it now. I think the Okongwu pick will turn out to be a home run as well.

I think you meant Cam Reddish who so far has been basically Culver level bad. That was the guy they picked with the draft pick they got from the Mavs for the Luka Young deal.

Personally I always thought both teams did well in this trade. I think as high on Trae young and although I like Donic more I thought getting another valuable pick and still getting Young was a good move. The Mavs got their guy. I'm simply enjoying both of their careers. I would guess both teams are happy with their guy. I have always thought Trae young was a nice player to have and no shame to have him instead of Luka and Luka is a really good player.

Monster, you might be the only one before this year's playoffs who thought both teams did well in the Young-Doncic swap. You turned out to be right.

As for Reddish, he's the one blemish on the Hawks otherwise stellar draft performance over the past several years. That was definitely a Culver-like blunder. The Culver pick was especially bad because Rosas traded up to get him and was actually trading up for Garland. I thought the Reddish pick was terrible at the time. Coming out of college, Reddish reminded me more of Wiggins than any other player I can think of.

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:... did the Mavericks lose the Doncic Young trade?

I'm kidding of course... Or am I?

Well, a month ago, some folks would have laughed and others might have organized an intervention to rescue you from some mental or emotional abyss. But no one's laughing or contemplating an intervention now. The emergence of Young in the playoffs this year lends further credence to the prowess of Atlanta's front office. I thought they hit a home run drafting Collins at #19. I thought they did really well drafting Huerter at #19 as well. But I doubted their Cam Johnson and Hunter picks and I really doubted their Young-Doncic swap. Turns out I was wrong on all three. They hit another home run with their trade for Capella, giving up very little for a terrific defensive big. I initially questioned the Chris Paul acquisition, but I'm not questioning it now. I think the Okongwu pick will turn out to be a home run as well.

I think you meant Cam Reddish who so far has been basically Culver level bad. That was the guy they picked with the draft pick they got from the Mavs for the Luka Young deal.

Personally I always thought both teams did well in this trade. I think as high on Trae young and although I like Donic more I thought getting another valuable pick and still getting Young was a good move. The Mavs got their guy. I'm simply enjoying both of their careers. I would guess both teams are happy with their guy. I have always thought Trae young was a nice player to have and no shame to have him instead of Luka and Luka is a really good player.

Monster, you might be the only one before this year's playoffs who thought both teams did well in the Young-Doncic swap. You turned out to be right.

As for Reddish, he's the one blemish on the Hawks otherwise stellar draft performance over the past several years. That was definitely a Culver-like blunder. The Culver pick was especially bad because Rosas traded up to get him and was actually trading up for Garland. I thought the Reddish pick was terrible at the time. Coming out of college, Reddish reminded me more of Wiggins than any other player I can think of.

I was a fan of Reddish's talent but was worried about the motor etc. why I didn't mind that pick at the time was it was basically a flyer on a guy that if it worked out great. If not...they already had Huerter and They had drafted Hunter a few picks before (they got ripped by some for drafting Hunter but he had a very good season this year although he has had injuries). Plus the Reddish pick doesn't hurt as much because they were able to add Bogdonovic for just having cap space.

Trae Young in his second season averaged 29 points 9 assists over 9 FTAs per game. Yes he had a lot of TOs but his shooting percentages jumped too. He was an all-star at the age of 21 and projected to be a star player of some kind. He has simply put up some really amazing stats and yes before this year he wasn't winning games but...now you have to wonder if Lloyd Pierce was part of that problem after Nate McMillan took over this year and turned the team
around. I expect someday that his 3 point shooting percentages will jump (I think Luka's will also) and he will become even more deadly. Watching him in the playoffs he is able to dribble all over the place creating for himself and others.

Again I tend to think Luka probably is the bette replayed with his skills and size but if I am a Hawks fan I'd be VERY happy with him. Heck as a Suns fan I might be somewhat disappointed not having either guy but I'm pleased with Ayton. Even though I liked Luka more picking Ayton in front of him was a reasonable thing to do. The Kings...sigh we know how they feel. Memphis...if Jaren Jackson could ever stay healthy he would probably be more like the Suns fans feel about Ayton. Maybe wish for more but have a really nice player to build up a roster with.

John Collins has been effectively under-the-radar much of this season and these playoffs, but he couldn't hide last night with his impressive 23/15. I still favor using whatever capital DLO brings us to go out and get Simmons, but I'm still sky high on putting Collins next to KAT and wouldn't mind a sign-and-trade Collins for DLO deal. I think it's clear Collins thinks of himself as a max player, and Atlanta isn't going to pay him. It will be interesting to see if Rosas tries to insert himself into the Collins sweepstakes after the playoffs are over.

FNG wrote:John Collins has been effectively under-the-radar much of this season and these playoffs, but he couldn't hide last night with his impressive 23/15. I still favor using whatever capital DLO brings us to go out and get Simmons, but I'm still sky high on putting Collins next to KAT and wouldn't mind a sign-and-trade Collins for DLO deal. I think it's clear Collins thinks of himself as a max player, and Atlanta isn't going to pay him. It will be interesting to see if Rosas tries to insert himself into the Collins sweepstakes after the playoffs are over.

Yet again... why would Atlanta want Russell?

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

FNG wrote:John Collins has been effectively under-the-radar much of this season and these playoffs, but he couldn't hide last night with his impressive 23/15. I still favor using whatever capital DLO brings us to go out and get Simmons, but I'm still sky high on putting Collins next to KAT and wouldn't mind a sign-and-trade Collins for DLO deal. I think it's clear Collins thinks of himself as a max player, and Atlanta isn't going to pay him. It will be interesting to see if Rosas tries to insert himself into the Collins sweepstakes after the playoffs are over.

Yet again... why would Atlanta want Russell?

They wouldn't...as a first choice at least. But Collins is going to hold them up for ransom, and I don't think they are going to get their first choice. They aren't likely to pay Collins, and no team wants to lose an asset with no return, so they are likely to seek the best sign-and-trade scenario they can get. In those situations the losing team never gets what they want, and Atlanta may have to settle for a 1-way prolific scorer like DLO. The more Trae Young shines in the playoffs, the less valuable Collins may be perceived to be. I really don't see Atlanta doing well with this Collins deal.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

FNG wrote:John Collins has been effectively under-the-radar much of this season and these playoffs, but he couldn't hide last night with his impressive 23/15. I still favor using whatever capital DLO brings us to go out and get Simmons, but I'm still sky high on putting Collins next to KAT and wouldn't mind a sign-and-trade Collins for DLO deal. I think it's clear Collins thinks of himself as a max player, and Atlanta isn't going to pay him. It will be interesting to see if Rosas tries to insert himself into the Collins sweepstakes after the playoffs are over.

Yet again... why would Atlanta want Russell?

Exactly. They wouldn't. Russell for Simmons makes basketball sense for both sides. (Not sure Philly does it). Collins for Russell in my opinion makes no sense for the Hawks and little sense for the Wolves