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khans2k5 wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:This latest Nate Robinson stuff is funny... not the mental health stuff. But the way the people on the forum used this article for their own all-too-predictable agenda. Brown, D'Antoni, Gentry, Thibs, and multiple other coaches... "It's all on Thibs! See!!!!"

The horse is dead, boys.

I don't know if Thibs has a person on this forum firmly in his corner. So still beating the dead horse incessantly whenever you walk past it seems a bit unnecessary. Good gawd.

Hmm...not so sure. I think if we did a poll on whether we would like it if Thibs was replaced today, I think the board would be divided...I would be in favor, but I think the majority want to give him another chance (in true Minnesota style).

We have a coach who already has a reputation, and an article just came out where an NBA veteran specifically cites him and Larry Brown (not all the other coaches you name) as the reasons for his mental health issues. We all are interested in bringing in the right free agent to fill out this roster, not another guy who can't get off Thibs' bench, and comments like Nate's just aren't helpful in that quest. If suggesting that Nate Robinson's comments are not positive for us in the free agent market constitutes "beating a dead horse", then I'll cop to being an inveterate horse beater. But I think there may be a couple people on this board that see some significance in it as I do.

I actually don't think many if any would choose to keep Thibs if the option was stay or go right now. However there is a divide when it comes to calling for his head at every turn and claiming almost guaranteed disaster when it's almost unprecedented to fire him based on last year's success and this franchise's lack of success for over a decade. At the end of the day the coach and GM are responsible for putting a winning team on the floor and that's what he's done in both roles. Continuing to call for his head after every article is beating a dead horse because he's just not going anywhere right now. You're literally creating the people who defend him because Thibs just hasn't earned the constant and repeated hate he has on here. Year 1 he figured out what he had on the team. Year 2 he made a blockbuster deal to improve the team and we did so significantly. Year 3 is all about filling in the gaps now that are created when you have that much roster turnover and winning more games. He frankly has just earned more time in both roles to let things play out for a little longer.

Sneaking into the 8th seed isn't exactly a success though. Not in my view anyways. Especially when when polled most GM's said KAT was the most valuable player in the NBA (who they would pick to start a team with). Thibs said this was the most talented roster in the NBA. And he signed/traded for 3 experienced vets/starters to go with the most talented young roster.

I expected this team to be a 3-5 seed, so underperformance is a failure in my book. The trajectory to a championship is not there as I see it, that's why you fire him. If you see this team winning a Championship then you keep him. I guess you see that happening in the next few years.

I don't think there is any path to a title for this team because of our market and our current players. That doesn't mean I want to blow it all up and start over again though because you're just gonna be bad forever if your expectation is a perfect rebuild into a title contender because it doesn't happen often and usually needs a lot of help a Minnesota market isn't getting. If your expectations before the season were 3-5 seed with Jimmy missing 23 games then your expectations were just flat out too high. Secondary teams just can't lose their best player for that long and still be a top seed. SA got 7th with Kawaii out so I guess they were a disappointment as well. That doesn't make sense. Talent and production are two different things. Calling us the best young roster in the league was based on our talent and it was under the assumption Towns would play defense and Wiggins would improve his game more. Neither of those happened and that's not all on Thibs. If Belly and Tyus can improve under him that signals more of Towns and Wiggins being at fault for their lack of development under Thibs than his fault.

You're just gonna be disappointed in this franchise forever if you are title or bust so I don't see the point. We're not one of the 8 teams that get to win the title. Welcome to basketball where it's been that way pretty much forever. I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the ride while we're good because the next time we're bad it might take another decade to get out of that hole.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:This latest Nate Robinson stuff is funny... not the mental health stuff. But the way the people on the forum used this article for their own all-too-predictable agenda. Brown, D'Antoni, Gentry, Thibs, and multiple other coaches... "It's all on Thibs! See!!!!"

The horse is dead, boys.

I don't know if Thibs has a person on this forum firmly in his corner. So still beating the dead horse incessantly whenever you walk past it seems a bit unnecessary. Good gawd.

khans2k5 wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:This latest Nate Robinson stuff is funny... not the mental health stuff. But the way the people on the forum used this article for their own all-too-predictable agenda. Brown, D'Antoni, Gentry, Thibs, and multiple other coaches... "It's all on Thibs! See!!!!"

The horse is dead, boys.

I don't know if Thibs has a person on this forum firmly in his corner. So still beating the dead horse incessantly whenever you walk past it seems a bit unnecessary. Good gawd.

Hmm...not so sure. I think if we did a poll on whether we would like it if Thibs was replaced today, I think the board would be divided...I would be in favor, but I think the majority want to give him another chance (in true Minnesota style).

We have a coach who already has a reputation, and an article just came out where an NBA veteran specifically cites him and Larry Brown (not all the other coaches you name) as the reasons for his mental health issues. We all are interested in bringing in the right free agent to fill out this roster, not another guy who can't get off Thibs' bench, and comments like Nate's just aren't helpful in that quest. If suggesting that Nate Robinson's comments are not positive for us in the free agent market constitutes "beating a dead horse", then I'll cop to being an inveterate horse beater. But I think there may be a couple people on this board that see some significance in it as I do.

I actually don't think many if any would choose to keep Thibs if the option was stay or go right now. However there is a divide when it comes to calling for his head at every turn and claiming almost guaranteed disaster when it's almost unprecedented to fire him based on last year's success and this franchise's lack of success for over a decade. At the end of the day the coach and GM are responsible for putting a winning team on the floor and that's what he's done in both roles. Continuing to call for his head after every article is beating a dead horse because he's just not going anywhere right now. You're literally creating the people who defend him because Thibs just hasn't earned the constant and repeated hate he has on here. Year 1 he figured out what he had on the team. Year 2 he made a blockbuster deal to improve the team and we did so significantly. Year 3 is all about filling in the gaps now that are created when you have that much roster turnover and winning more games. He frankly has just earned more time in both roles to let things play out for a little longer.

Sneaking into the 8th seed isn't exactly a success though. Not in my view anyways. Especially when when polled most GM's said KAT was the most valuable player in the NBA (who they would pick to start a team with). Thibs said this was the most talented roster in the NBA. And he signed/traded for 3 experienced vets/starters to go with the most talented young roster.

I expected this team to be a 3-5 seed, so underperformance is a failure in my book. The trajectory to a championship is not there as I see it, that's why you fire him. If you see this team winning a Championship then you keep him. I guess you see that happening in the next few years.

I don't think there is any path to a title for this team because of our market and our current players. That doesn't mean I want to blow it all up and start over again though because you're just gonna be bad forever if your expectation is a perfect rebuild into a title contender because it doesn't happen often and usually needs a lot of help a Minnesota market isn't getting. If your expectations before the season were 3-5 seed with Jimmy missing 23 games then your expectations were just flat out too high. Secondary teams just can't lose their best player for that long and still be a top seed. SA got 7th with Kawaii out so I guess they were a disappointment as well. That doesn't make sense. Talent and production are two different things. Calling us the best young roster in the league was based on our talent and it was under the assumption Towns would play defense and Wiggins would improve his game more. Neither of those happened and that's not all on Thibs. If Belly and Tyus can improve under him that signals more of Towns and Wiggins being at fault for their lack of development under Thibs than his fault.

You're just gonna be disappointed in this franchise forever if you are title or bust so I don't see the point. We're not one of the 8 teams that get to win the title. Welcome to basketball where it's been that way pretty much forever. I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the ride while we're good because the next time we're bad it might take another decade to get out of that hole.

WolvesFan21 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:This latest Nate Robinson stuff is funny... not the mental health stuff. But the way the people on the forum used this article for their own all-too-predictable agenda. Brown, D'Antoni, Gentry, Thibs, and multiple other coaches... "It's all on Thibs! See!!!!"

The horse is dead, boys.

I don't know if Thibs has a person on this forum firmly in his corner. So still beating the dead horse incessantly whenever you walk past it seems a bit unnecessary. Good gawd.

Hmm...not so sure. I think if we did a poll on whether we would like it if Thibs was replaced today, I think the board would be divided...I would be in favor, but I think the majority want to give him another chance (in true Minnesota style).

We have a coach who already has a reputation, and an article just came out where an NBA veteran specifically cites him and Larry Brown (not all the other coaches you name) as the reasons for his mental health issues. We all are interested in bringing in the right free agent to fill out this roster, not another guy who can't get off Thibs' bench, and comments like Nate's just aren't helpful in that quest. If suggesting that Nate Robinson's comments are not positive for us in the free agent market constitutes "beating a dead horse", then I'll cop to being an inveterate horse beater. But I think there may be a couple people on this board that see some significance in it as I do.

I actually don't think many if any would choose to keep Thibs if the option was stay or go right now. However there is a divide when it comes to calling for his head at every turn and claiming almost guaranteed disaster when it's almost unprecedented to fire him based on last year's success and this franchise's lack of success for over a decade. At the end of the day the coach and GM are responsible for putting a winning team on the floor and that's what he's done in both roles. Continuing to call for his head after every article is beating a dead horse because he's just not going anywhere right now. You're literally creating the people who defend him because Thibs just hasn't earned the constant and repeated hate he has on here. Year 1 he figured out what he had on the team. Year 2 he made a blockbuster deal to improve the team and we did so significantly. Year 3 is all about filling in the gaps now that are created when you have that much roster turnover and winning more games. He frankly has just earned more time in both roles to let things play out for a little longer.

Sneaking into the 8th seed isn't exactly a success though. Not in my view anyways. Especially when when polled most GM's said KAT was the most valuable player in the NBA (who they would pick to start a team with). Thibs said this was the most talented roster in the NBA. And he signed/traded for 3 experienced vets/starters to go with the most talented young roster.

I expected this team to be a 3-5 seed, so underperformance is a failure in my book. The trajectory to a championship is not there as I see it, that's why you fire him. If you see this team winning a Championship then you keep him. I guess you see that happening in the next few years.

I don't think there is any path to a title for this team because of our market and our current players. That doesn't mean I want to blow it all up and start over again though because you're just gonna be bad forever if your expectation is a perfect rebuild into a title contender because it doesn't happen often and usually needs a lot of help a Minnesota market isn't getting. If your expectations before the season were 3-5 seed with Jimmy missing 23 games then your expectations were just flat out too high. Secondary teams just can't lose their best player for that long and still be a top seed. SA got 7th with Kawaii out so I guess they were a disappointment as well. That doesn't make sense. Talent and production are two different things. Calling us the best young roster in the league was based on our talent and it was under the assumption Towns would play defense and Wiggins would improve his game more. Neither of those happened and that's not all on Thibs. If Belly and Tyus can improve under him that signals more of Towns and Wiggins being at fault for their lack of development under Thibs than his fault.

You're just gonna be disappointed in this franchise forever if you are title or bust so I don't see the point. We're not one of the 8 teams that get to win the title. Welcome to basketball where it's been that way pretty much forever. I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the ride while we're good because the next time we're bad it might take another decade to get out of that hole.

If your goal isn't NBA Title then you shouldn't be playing. You have to take chances to get to that point to give us a chance. Oakland isn't a big market and look what they are doing.

Yeah you're not going to get there in one season or even two, but you should expect to see light at the end of the tunnel or hope for a title down the road. I don't have that feeling with Thibs and this squad now. So for me, it's not "blow it up" but retool around KAT and hope that he becomes a top 5 player. Thibs is holding this team back.

mrhockey89 wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/timberwolves-justin-patton-will-likely-miss-most-of-the-fall/

Guess Patton won't be making his next appearance until late fall...

Q12543 wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/timberwolves-justin-patton-will-likely-miss-most-of-the-fall/

Guess Patton won't be making his next appearance until late fall...

Unreal, but don't think it really matters either way. He didn't look good in his G-league stint. Soft and lazy.

crazy-canuck wrote:So according to doogie, things aren't that bad within the organization. What a turd, considering he's the one that started most of these baseless rumours to start the fire.