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Re: Offseason trade/FA forum

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:31 am
by Lipoli390
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:1. Lakers. Obviously loaded.
2. Jazz. Had the league's best record last season. Returns most of the team.
3. Warriors. A winning team without Thompson. And they could make a midseason move with the young lottery talent they've collected.
4. Suns. Made the NBA Finals.
5. Denver. 47 - 25 last season. Have the MVP... even if Murray is out for most of the year.
6. Dallas. Luka Doncic might be the frontrunner for MVP.
7. LA Clippers. Made the WCF, even without Kawhi Leonard. But it's reasonable to see them take a step back.
8. Memphis. Young, winning team on the upswing.
9. Portland. Always battling for the playoffs with Lillard around.

Barring catastrophic injury or (tank) trade... I don't see the Wolves in the same class as any of these teams.

So, then it's the Wolves vs. OKC, NOP, SAS, SAC and HOU. If the Wolves finish behind Houston, something has gone terribly terribly wrong with the franchise. And it looks like SAS is finally playing for tomorrow more than today by jettisoning the veterans. But doesn't every one of those other teams have just as much claim as the Wolves do for a distant 10th in the West? Each offers some promising potential... amid some bad mixes of talent and curious front office decisions.



[Note: OKC is the wild card. Will they purposely try to lose yet again? That team has made some smart moves for a rebuilding team. Just a matter of how long they want to play that game...]


We'll have to see how well the Clippers do without Kawhi Leonard for what will likely be the entire season. I'm still not sold on Memphis. Portland's teetering on the edge with an unhappy Lillard and a coaching change that I consider a step backwards for them. Klay Thompson's health is a significant question mark for the Warriors and I would expect Wiggins to take a step backwards next season.

Meanwhile, amidst all the pessimism in Wolves Land today, the team really does have a lot of talent in KAT, Ant, DLO, McDaniels and Beasley. And I think the Wolves finally have a high-caliber head coach. And as Q noted, the Wolves were 16-20 to close out last season. So I think they're a much better team heading into next season than their overall season record suggests. That said, a number of things need to break in a positive direction for the Wolves to make the playoffs. Some of those things are likely, some not so much. Here's my list:

LIKELY:

1. KAT stays healthy and improves defensively. Likely that he stays healthy since he was previously an iron man. The last couple years have been an aberration for him. Like that he improves defensively given his recent trajectory of improvement on that end and his competitiveness.

2. Ant improves his overall game. Likely based on his trajectory of improvement last season and the fact that most talented rookies make a sizable jump in their second season. I expect his shooting to be more efficient, his decision-making to be better, and his scoring to be up. I also think his defense will improve, if only because it was so bad last season, but also because he has the physical tools to be a great defender.

3. McDaniels improves his overall game. Likely based on how savvy he is and the typically substantial improvement players show in their second season.

4. Ant and Naz Reid improve their games. Likely that both continue to improve based on their trajectories of improvement thus far along with their age and the combination of desire and work ethic they have shows so far.

5. Beasley stays healthy and out of jail. Likely that he stays healthy. He stays in great shape and has never had trouble staying healthy before his ankle injury last season. And I'm sure he's been working out a lot in the prison gym with nothing else to do. As for staying out of jail, I'd say it's likely he'll stay out. The national recidivism rate is 44% - i.e., 44% of all those released from prison end up back in the clink within a year. That means, there's a 56% chance he stays out of prison for the season. So statistically, it's likely he'll stay out. :)

NOT SURE/UNLIKELY

1. DLO stays healthy. I'm not prepared to say it's unlikely. But his track record on this isn't good. So I'll just say I'm unsure.

2. DLO improves defensively. It's certainly possibly. He has the length and basketball IQ to be a decent defender. And he's shown flashes of good defense, which simply underscores the fact that his defensive failings result from a lack of effort and commitment. Unfortunately, that's not something I see changing. Therefore, I'll say unlikely but not out of the question.

3. Layman stays healthy and improves. I'll just say unsure on this one. But he does have some talent - athletic with a nice looking shooting stroke.

OVERALL

Overall, if healthy, I think this team will be at least as good as they were down the stretch last season, which was slightly under the .500 level. I also see some of the teams you listed faltering. So the potential for a 7th or 8th seed is there in my view. But just so you know I haven't taken leave of my senses, I'm not betting on it. :)



Fair enough. There's nothing wrong with being optimistic about the Wolves... but pessimistic about other teams. We're rube fans after all... that's why we're here! But if you have to avoid one specific bet...

Avoid betting on Russell as a "good" defender.


Lol. I'll take your advice to the bank!




Unfortunately, the odds are so slim... you'll have to put down about $800k to make $3.


Lol. I'm laughing on the outside, but crying on the inside.

Re: Offseason trade/FA forum

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:02 pm
by Monster
I don't feel optimistic about the Wolves making the playoffs this season. However I don't think they HAVE to make the playoffs for it to be a successful season. Let's say they end up around .500 and some of these young players take a legit step forward and maybe even a guy surprises kind like McDaniels last year. As Lip points out they would have some financial flexibility to make an actual worthwhile FA signing (they also won't suck so someone may actually be interested in signing here) and a lottery pick to either add a player or use in a trade. Plus those SUPER sexy THREE 2nd round picks! I can see the Wolves legitamatly looking like they are going in the right direction even if they only win 39-41 games. Some of how that will be viewed is how strong then WC looks. If the teams around the Wolves are strong and the teams that finish above them are strong then while that's a little disheartening of how we climb over that it might be understandable why we didn't quite make it with a crazy young roster etc. if it feels like the Wolves were just the best of some meh teams then it might not feel too great.

Wait...what are we worried about the East is the beast now and the West is the least. We got the 6th seed easy!!! Jk ;)

Re: Offseason trade/FA forum

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:16 pm
by Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
I just want to see a big step forward. That may or may not mean making the playoffs, but it should mean "being in the playoff mix" for most of the season and being close-ish to .500 ball. Then we go into next offseason with more salary flexibility and draft picks.

Re: Offseason trade/FA forum

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:24 pm
by Coolbreeze44
10 teams make the playoffs, if we cant make that group I don't know how this season could be a success. We're pressed up against the tax line again, no excuse for not getting inside the top 10. If we can't, KAT and DLO are not the answer and we should hold a fire sale at the trade deadline. I mean no more reason to wait if we flounder again.

Re: Offseason trade/FA forum

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:18 pm
by kekgeek
Free agent C Khem Birch is returning to the Toronto Raptors on a three-year, $20M contract, his agent Austin Brown of @caa_basketball tells ESPN.

Re: Offseason trade/FA forum

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:40 pm
by Lipoli390
kekgeek1 wrote:Free agent C Khem Birch is returning to the Toronto Raptors on a three-year, $20M contract, his agent Austin Brown of @caa_basketball tells ESPN.


Another one eludes Gersson's grasp. That's just under $7M per year. We ought to be able to sign Hartenstein for less than that.

Re: Offseason trade/FA forum

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:22 pm
by KG4Ever
Q12543 wrote:The team was 16-20 after the all star break last year. It's not like they need multiple incredible strokes of luck to improve to a playoff team. But yeah, they still need their fair share of things to break in the right direction for them.


That 16-20 mark seems a bit inflated to me. The Wolves benefited by other teams taking them lightly. It wasn't uncommon for other teams to rest their stars against the Wolves or just think they could mail it in. Also, the Wolves played some teams down the stretch that were trying to lose. The Wolves have not had a good offseason and they will be dependent on internal player development. Cracking the top 8 in the West will be difficult for the Wolves. They might make the top ten as Houston, OKC and San Antonio are likely to tank and Sac is bad. The Wolves just have to surpass one more team to make 10th place. I think New Orleans could struggle and I'm not completely sold on Memphis, especially after they traded away Valanciunus.

Re: Offseason trade/FA forum

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:45 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
KG4Ever wrote:
Q12543 wrote:The team was 16-20 after the all star break last year. It's not like they need multiple incredible strokes of luck to improve to a playoff team. But yeah, they still need their fair share of things to break in the right direction for them.


That 16-20 mark seems a bit inflated to me. The Wolves benefited by other teams taking them lightly. It wasn't uncommon for other teams to rest their stars against the Wolves or just think they could mail it in. Also, the Wolves played some teams down the stretch that were trying to lose. The Wolves have not had a good offseason and they will be dependent on internal player development. Cracking the top 8 in the West will be difficult for the Wolves. They might make the top ten as Houston, OKC and San Antonio are likely to tank and Sac is bad. The Wolves just have to surpass one more team to make 10th place. I think New Orleans could struggle and I'm not completely sold on Memphis, especially after they traded away Valanciunus.



16 - 20 = 36 - 46.

That's STILL not good enough. That doesn't make the play-in tournament for either conference last season.

It reminds me of 2016 when the Wolves won 4 of their last 5 and 7 of their last 12 against a bunch of teams with injured guys... and we were over the moon for the 2017 season.

The team went 31 - 51, a 2-game improvement.

Re: Offseason trade/FA forum

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:10 pm
by WildWolf2813
Oubre just signed a multi year deal with Charlotte at around $12 mil per year

Re: Offseason trade/FA forum

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:24 pm
by kekgeek
Free agent Kelly Oubre Jr. has agreed to a two-year, $26M-plus deal with the Charlotte Hornets, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.