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I remember. I was all about KCP at the time.

Q12543 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:We traded down and missed McCollum. Then we missed Greek Freak and Gobert when moving down.

Lip's instinct to take McCollum straight up that year ended up being dead on. We thought Saunders made the right move after the first year or two, but now it looks like he should have just taken the kid from Lehigh. He's actually turned into a halfway decent defender now too. Ugh.

The true hindsight picks would have been Giannis and Gobert, but there were legitimate question marks at the time. McCollum was more of a known entity and probably the BPA at that pick.

Hey what am I chopped liver? I was with Lip on the McCollum pick. Not the first good shooting guard we've missed on in the last 7-8 years.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Hey what am I chopped liver? I was with Lip on the McCollum pick. Not the first good shooting guard we've missed on in the last 7-8 years.

First to answer your question. Yes - chopped liver.

It is the curse of Doug West that lives on.

bleedspeed177 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Hey what am I chopped liver? I was with Lip on the McCollum pick. Not the first good shooting guard we've missed on in the last 7-8 years.

First to answer your question. Yes - chopped liver.

It is the curse of Doug West that lives on.

I guess so. I'm the Rodney Dangerfield of the board.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:We traded down and missed McCollum. Then we missed Greek Freak and Gobert when moving down.

Lip's instinct to take McCollum straight up that year ended up being dead on. We thought Saunders made the right move after the first year or two, but now it looks like he should have just taken the kid from Lehigh. He's actually turned into a halfway decent defender now too. Ugh.

The true hindsight picks would have been Giannis and Gobert, but there were legitimate question marks at the time. McCollum was more of a known entity and probably the BPA at that pick.

Hey what am I chopped liver? I was with Lip on the McCollum pick. Not the first good shooting guard we've missed on in the last 7-8 years.

Honestly couldn't remember that you backed McCollum, but kudos to you for doing so. I don't even remember what I wanted exactly. I think I was a McCollum guy too, but ended up being OK with the trade at first because I loved Dieng. I was always a Shabazz skeptic - hated that pick at the time, but Dieng sort of made it up so I wasn't too upset about things.

As it turns out, Flip should have just stuck with his draft slot and taken McCollum. I still think Flip deserves a B since he did get two rotation players out of the deal, but he would have deserved an A (in hindsight) if he had taken CJ.

Q12543 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:We traded down and missed McCollum. Then we missed Greek Freak and Gobert when moving down.

Lip's instinct to take McCollum straight up that year ended up being dead on. We thought Saunders made the right move after the first year or two, but now it looks like he should have just taken the kid from Lehigh. He's actually turned into a halfway decent defender now too. Ugh.

The true hindsight picks would have been Giannis and Gobert, but there were legitimate question marks at the time. McCollum was more of a known entity and probably the BPA at that pick.

Hey what am I chopped liver? I was with Lip on the McCollum pick. Not the first good shooting guard we've missed on in the last 7-8 years.

Honestly couldn't remember that you backed McCollum, but kudos to you for doing so. I don't even remember what I wanted exactly. I think I was a McCollum guy too, but ended up being OK with the trade at first because I loved Dieng. I was always a Shabazz skeptic - hated that pick at the time, but Dieng sort of made it up so I wasn't too upset about things.

As it turns out, Flip should have just stuck with his draft slot and taken McCollum. I still think Flip deserves a B since he did get two rotation players out of the deal, but he would have deserved an A (in hindsight) if he had taken CJ.

If I remember right the reason the wolves didn't range McCollum was because Flip was really worried about his foot I believe. So it hard for me to blame him on something like that.

Also can we use this as an example to be patient with Dunn I mean McCollum was a 4 year player that made no impact his 1st couple years in the league

kekgeek1 wrote:
Also can we use this as an example to be patient with Dunn I mean McCollum was a 4 year player that made no impact his 1st couple years in the league

I think he was injured pretty much his whole first year. Once he got playing time he produced.

kekgeek1 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:We traded down and missed McCollum. Then we missed Greek Freak and Gobert when moving down.

Lip's instinct to take McCollum straight up that year ended up being dead on. We thought Saunders made the right move after the first year or two, but now it looks like he should have just taken the kid from Lehigh. He's actually turned into a halfway decent defender now too. Ugh.

The true hindsight picks would have been Giannis and Gobert, but there were legitimate question marks at the time. McCollum was more of a known entity and probably the BPA at that pick.

Hey what am I chopped liver? I was with Lip on the McCollum pick. Not the first good shooting guard we've missed on in the last 7-8 years.

Honestly couldn't remember that you backed McCollum, but kudos to you for doing so. I don't even remember what I wanted exactly. I think I was a McCollum guy too, but ended up being OK with the trade at first because I loved Dieng. I was always a Shabazz skeptic - hated that pick at the time, but Dieng sort of made it up so I wasn't too upset about things.

As it turns out, Flip should have just stuck with his draft slot and taken McCollum. I still think Flip deserves a B since he did get two rotation players out of the deal, but he would have deserved an A (in hindsight) if he had taken CJ.

If I remember right the reason the wolves didn't range McCollum was because Flip was really worried about his foot I believe. So it hard for me to blame him on something like that.

Also can we use this as an example to be patient with Dunn I mean McCollum was a 4 year player that made no impact his 1st couple years in the league

Good point. Remember Steph's ankle problems early in his career? Boy, we never hear about that anymore! I think with little guys especially, front offices need to be a bit more forgiving on these issues. With the bigs, it seems justifiably to be a red flag.

As for Dunn, count me as taking the patience approach. While I can never see him producing offensively like CJ can and I'm not sure he'll ever be able to be a full-time PG, he certainly could be a very disruptive perimeter defender - at nearly all three positions.

Q12543 wrote:

As for Dunn, count me as taking the patience approach. While I can never see him producing offensively like CJ can and I'm not sure he'll ever be able to be a full-time PG, he certainly could be a very disruptive perimeter defender - at nearly all three positions.

I agree with this.

Q12543 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:We traded down and missed McCollum. Then we missed Greek Freak and Gobert when moving down.

Lip's instinct to take McCollum straight up that year ended up being dead on. We thought Saunders made the right move after the first year or two, but now it looks like he should have just taken the kid from Lehigh. He's actually turned into a halfway decent defender now too. Ugh.

The true hindsight picks would have been Giannis and Gobert, but there were legitimate question marks at the time. McCollum was more of a known entity and probably the BPA at that pick.

Hey what am I chopped liver? I was with Lip on the McCollum pick. Not the first good shooting guard we've missed on in the last 7-8 years.

Honestly couldn't remember that you backed McCollum, but kudos to you for doing so. I don't even remember what I wanted exactly. I think I was a McCollum guy too, but ended up being OK with the trade at first because I loved Dieng. I was always a Shabazz skeptic - hated that pick at the time, but Dieng sort of made it up so I wasn't too upset about things.

As it turns out, Flip should have just stuck with his draft slot and taken McCollum. I still think Flip deserves a B since he did get two rotation players out of the deal, but he would have deserved an A (in hindsight) if he had taken CJ.

To me based on the previous failings even getting a C from his first draft for Flip would have been a win. I liked CJ actually but there were questions about his size and health that were legit. I would have been happy or at worst fine with picking him but I wasn't all in on him.

I LOVED Dieng and I thought Burke was vastly overrated I was so glad we passed on him. I thought Bazz was a pretty good value where we got him. I am a Bazz fan still and clearly he isn't a guy that's a high level player or even a starter on a good team he has improved his game the last couple years and he turns 25 in November. We don't know if he will be here next year but if the Wolves were able to keep him for a reasonable contract of some kind (opinions will vary) but he could still be a useful piece going forward. It's easy to forget how pathetic the situation had been at the wing positions for this team and at the time adding a player like Bazz made a lot of sense and some of his strengths actually fit well in Adelman's system. So did Dieng.

I also think Dieng is a guy I'm glad is on the team if we can get him playing in a lesser role I think he would be even more valuable. Bjelica was becoming a nice compliment to him and then he got hurt. As much as I like both of those guys getting an upgrade over them would be nice or even just a guys that's not a big upgrade in terms of talent but has a lot more experience like a Patrick Patterson type.

Anyway there have been franchises that have been haunted by missing out on a player and the Wolves missed on some really damn good or even superstar level players. What can also kill franchises is basically whiffing on high draft picks getting nothing out of them. The Wolves got worthwhile players out of that draft and so that helps. Let's hope this franchise can hit on at the very least some solid starter type players from these first couple drafts. Flip was in a different position he was working with a team trying to take both a step out of being awful and being something more than just a fringe playoff team. It would have been good if he would have taken a 3rd player in that draft instead of selling it off. There was a fairly decent chance he would have added another NBA rotation player but I get why he didn't.