DeJounte Murray Trade

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lipoli390 wrote:
KG4Ever wrote:After Connelly underwhelmed me with the draft, I am now more firmly on the trade for DeJounte Murray camp as I don't think those picks are as valuable as I had thought. Hope this deal happens.


How about all four of our picks and DLO for Murray. :)


If you mean this year's crop of draft picks, yes, please.
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So today it is being reported that the spurs want 3 1st round picks for Murray. We have talked about the Dlo for Murray and picks trade for days.

If Dlo is just being used for a salary filler in a Murray trade. Would you guys do a Beasley and 3 1st for Murray.

Murray replaces Pat Bev on the starting lineup. Wolves would have 3 very good shot creators then. If Dlo is just being used as filler why not trade Beasley instead

Dlo/jmac/bolmaro
Murray/Bev/Nowell
Ant/McDaniels/Moore
Vando/Prince (if resigned)
Kat/Naz/Kessler
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I wouldn't give up multiple first-round picks for Dejounte Murray. I'm just not in love with the fit despite the high-level talent Murray is. I don't think he elevates the roster enough to make it worth it.
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Three firsts makes this the kind of big swing that I hope Connolly doesn't take. Murray is a really good player but he's not a Dlo (or Beasley) and three first kind of player.
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kekgeek1 wrote:So today it is being reported that the spurs want 3 1st round picks for Murray. We have talked about the Dlo for Murray and picks trade for days.

If Dlo is just being used for a salary filler in a Murray trade. Would you guys do a Beasley and 3 1st for Murray.

Murray replaces Pat Bev on the starting lineup. Wolves would have 3 very good shot creators then. If Dlo is just being used as filler why not trade Beasley instead

Dlo/jmac/bolmaro
Murray/Bev/Nowell
Ant/McDaniels/Moore
Vando/Prince (if resigned)
Kat/Naz/Kessler


I wouldn't do that deal. I just can't embrace giving up three future first-round picks and Beasley for Murray. Beasley is our only elite 3-point shooter other than KAT. He's also by far our best trade asset on the roster other than KAT, Edwards, McDaniels and Beverley - and those four are either untouchable or borderline-untouchable. I also think DLO and Murray would be too overlapping and redundant.

Would I give up three future first-round picks and DLO for Murray (and maybe McDermott)? I'm not sure. I might offer something like DLO, Naz, Minott and two future 1st-round picks - one of them lottery protected the other unprotected. I don't think the Spurs would do that deal, but what the heck. The Spurs would be getting a good PG with an expiring contract that would free up $30M in cap space next summer. That's a valuable get for the Spurs. They'd also be getting you talented young players in Naz and Minott. And they'd be getting to additional future first-round picks, one of them unprotected. That's a fair deal in my view, but I suspect the Spurs would rather hold out for more from some other team.

I'm struck by the Spurs' apparent interest in trading Murray. Seems like there might be something about Murray we don't know makes me wonder whether I would want to engage with the Spurs at all to get him.
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lipoli390 wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:So today it is being reported that the spurs want 3 1st round picks for Murray. We have talked about the Dlo for Murray and picks trade for days.

If Dlo is just being used for a salary filler in a Murray trade. Would you guys do a Beasley and 3 1st for Murray.

Murray replaces Pat Bev on the starting lineup. Wolves would have 3 very good shot creators then. If Dlo is just being used as filler why not trade Beasley instead

Dlo/jmac/bolmaro
Murray/Bev/Nowell
Ant/McDaniels/Moore
Vando/Prince (if resigned)
Kat/Naz/Kessler


I wouldn't do that deal. I just can't embrace giving up three future first-round picks and Beasley for Murray. Beasley is our only elite 3-point shooter other than KAT. He's also by far our best trade asset on the roster other than KAT, Edwards, McDaniels and Beverley - and those four are either untouchable or borderline-untouchable. I also think DLO and Murray would be too overlapping and redundant.

Would I give up three future first-round picks and DLO for Murray (and maybe McDermott)? I'm not sure. I might offer something like DLO, Naz, Minott and two future 1st-round picks - one of them lottery protected the other unprotected. I don't think the Spurs would do that deal, but what the heck. The Spurs would be getting a good PG with an expiring contract that would free up $30M in cap space next summer. That's a valuable get for the Spurs. They'd also be getting you talented young players in Naz and Minott. And they'd be getting to additional future first-round picks, one of them unprotected. That's a fair deal in my view, but I suspect the Spurs would rather hold out for more from some other team.

I'm struck by the Spurs' apparent interest in trading Murray. Seems like there might be something about Murray we don't know makes me wonder whether I would want to engage with the Spurs at all to get him.


Lip I think it's pretty simple. The Spurs are listening for offers because they might be able to cash in on a player that is a couple months from turning 26 that has some injury history. They have a bunch of young players and they simply have a very good record of being able to select good players throughout the draft. Pop won't be around forever but will their current group be anywhere near on contender in the next year or 2? Probably not. Pop is 73 I'm actually a bit surprised he is still coaching. At some point he is going to quit. I think at this point the Spurs might be looking at a rebuild. Still I think they are going to be willing to acquire some players to help them win games now because that's kind of the Spurs way. If they can get basically 3 first round picks in value for Murray while having at least one of those assets be a guy that helps them now they are going to consider it. I think they might consider the type of deal you presented. Maybe there is some other reason they are listening to offers but I think they may see an opportunity to get a ton of value for a guy they have. Look at their draft picks this year it's basically all young upside swings. I swear they are going to turn Branham into a awesome player and people will he like how did he drop to the Spurs. It will be interesting to see if anyone pays the price for Murray. I would not be shocked at all if someone does and it would not be surprising if it was the Knicks. If the Wolves were needing to make that one big push for a player to send them towards being a contender then maybe dealing for Murray and paying the price would make sense but I'm not sure about the fit at this point and if you are giving up that much you should believe in it pretty strongly.
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I want to say I wouldn't do that trade either was just curious if it would change people's mine if Beasley was traded instead of D'lo.

Some of the reason why I think the spurs are trying to Murray is there are rumors he is unhappy, he only has 2 years left on his deal and can walk, the spurs are more then likely not a playoffs team an maybe the best prospect in the last 10 years is going to be draftable next year so it helps with the tank. Also Murray has a career year so value is at an All time high.

The 2 1sts is interesting because I do think Murray is better than Dlo but I don't know if Murray moves the wolves up a tier and it isn't even the picks per say the wolves would be what would bother me it's the lack of trade flexibility the wolves would lose is hard
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Dlo, Naz, two 1st round picks and one pick swap
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Three votes for trading DLO, Bolmaro and three FRPs for DeJounte Murray by Mackie, Judd and Declan. They all pondered whether they could trade DLO, McDaniels and three FRPs for DeJounte and all then said no. I'm pretty much in agreement, 3 FRPs is fine, just don't add McDaniels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1pEwjUptc8

I love the idea of how Murray could fit in with the Wolves. I am a little surprised that Atlanta seems to be where most of the Murray chatter is, when they already have Trae Young. While I'd like to get a star two way point guard if we can obtain one, maybe there will be other options to consider. Lonzo Ball was acquired dirt cheap by Chicago, a second rounder, Satoransky and Temple. If Lonzo were healthy, this would be highway robbery. Ben Simmons could potentially be acquired cheaply if Nets firesale their assets and rebuild.
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KG4Ever wrote:Three votes for trading DLO, Bolmaro and three FRPs for DeJounte Murray by Mackie, Judd and Declan. They all pondered whether they could trade DLO, McDaniels and three FRPs for DeJounte and all then said no. I'm pretty much in agreement, 3 FRPs is fine, just don't add McDaniels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1pEwjUptc8


Personally I think that is just way to much. That means the wolves can't trade a 1st for 7 years. I think Murray is better then Dlo but Murray is a borderline all star. He might never make another all star game. He can also leave in 2 years.

Murray is an upgrade but I don't think he puts the wolves in the title picture. If we trade 3 1st round picks I want someone better than Murray
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