K-Mart is back - Wolves vs Celtics - GDT

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Great stuff Mikkeman. Yeah, I used b-ball reference for my stats, and you are correct, I did not go back 5 games. I didn't realize that b-ball reference had the player pairs up for these two yet, but that's great to see.

So I think it's fair to conclude that the Dieng-Pek experiment is going well so far. We need to see a lot more of it before declaring Dieng our PF of the future of course, but there is no reason for Flip to go away from it for now. And while Pek may not be durable enough to be our Center of the future, he serves as a good proxy for a guy like Okafor or Towns, one of which could potentially be our starting C of the future.

[GymRat [enjin:6592663]]

Thanks Q and Mikkeman for those numbers. I think the eye test was telling the same story, but it's good to see something quantitative to back it up. With Martin in the fold it'll be interesting to see how these numbers change ahead of the return of Rubio. The Boston game tells me we look better on offense with Martin, but I didn't like how it relegated Wiggins to the weak side. I feel we weren't involving him enough and I hope Flip and Co. figure it out. I don't want to see Wiggins languishing in a corner and/or regressing because we don't use him enough.

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I hope that Flip has got Martin and Williams on the trading block. It is the best thing for the team long term. Martin should net us a 1st. Martin I would want an top 10 pick in the second round.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Thanks Q and Mikkeman for those numbers. I think the eye test was telling the same story, but it's good to see something quantitative to back it up. With Martin in the fold it'll be interesting to see how these numbers change ahead of the return of Rubio. The Boston game tells me we look better on offense with Martin, but I didn't like how it relegated Wiggins to the weak side. I feel we weren't involving him enough and I hope Flip and Co. figure it out. I don't want to see Wiggins languishing in a corner and/or regressing because we don't use him enough.

But this is on Wiggins as much as on the coaching staff. He needs to accept the fact that we have more weapons in the lineup, with Pek and Martin healthy now. That means in order for him to "get his", it requires him to run harder in transition, attack the offensive glass, and make smart basket cuts. It shouldn't always require that a play gets set up for him. Shabazz is a great example of a guy that learned how to score without having a bunch of sets run for him. This is part of development too. If anything, having those guys around should get him easier looks. It's on him to take advantage of less attention being paid to him.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Thanks Q and Mikkeman for those numbers. I think the eye test was telling the same story, but it's good to see something quantitative to back it up. With Martin in the fold it'll be interesting to see how these numbers change ahead of the return of Rubio. The Boston game tells me we look better on offense with Martin, but I didn't like how it relegated Wiggins to the weak side. I feel we weren't involving him enough and I hope Flip and Co. figure it out. I don't want to see Wiggins languishing in a corner and/or regressing because we don't use him enough.

But this is on Wiggins as much as on the coaching staff. He needs to accept the fact that we have more weapons in the lineup, with Pek and Martin healthy now. That means in order for him to "get his", it requires him to run harder in transition, attack the offensive glass, and make smart basket cuts. It shouldn't always require that a play gets set up for him. Shabazz is a great example of a guy that learned how to score without having a bunch of sets run for him. This is part of development too. If anything, having those guys around should get him easier looks. It's on him to take advantage of less attention being paid to him.

Wings should not crash the glass. I know Bazz does it, but it is an extremely selfish play that puts the team's ability to defend in transition in jeopardy just to have a 6-6 or 6-7 guy try to go into the trees to come away with an offensive board. It's a bad play. 2-3 guys need to be ready to get back on D when shots go up and the guys most equipped to get back quickly and be able to stop the ball are the 1-3. Wiggins has proved enough where he should have a decent chunk of the offense run through him. Martin sitting out at the 3 point line over Wiggins plays to both player's strengths right now. Martin doesn't really go to the bucket anymore and Wiggins is in a shooting slump. Let Wiggins continue to get to the hole and Martin stretch the floor. Wiggins can do all this off the ball stuff when Ricky is back and orchestrating the offense, but right now we don't have people getting him the ball at all when he is not part of the play.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Thanks Q and Mikkeman for those numbers. I think the eye test was telling the same story, but it's good to see something quantitative to back it up. With Martin in the fold it'll be interesting to see how these numbers change ahead of the return of Rubio. The Boston game tells me we look better on offense with Martin, but I didn't like how it relegated Wiggins to the weak side. I feel we weren't involving him enough and I hope Flip and Co. figure it out. I don't want to see Wiggins languishing in a corner and/or regressing because we don't use him enough.

But this is on Wiggins as much as on the coaching staff. He needs to accept the fact that we have more weapons in the lineup, with Pek and Martin healthy now. That means in order for him to "get his", it requires him to run harder in transition, attack the offensive glass, and make smart basket cuts. It shouldn't always require that a play gets set up for him. Shabazz is a great example of a guy that learned how to score without having a bunch of sets run for him. This is part of development too. If anything, having those guys around should get him easier looks. It's on him to take advantage of less attention being paid to him.

Wings should not crash the glass. I know Bazz does it, but it is an extremely selfish play that puts the team's ability to defend in transition in jeopardy just to have a 6-6 or 6-7 guy try to go into the trees to come away with an offensive board. It's a bad play. 2-3 guys need to be ready to get back on D when shots go up and the guys most equipped to get back quickly and be able to stop the ball are the 1-3. Wiggins has proved enough where he should have a decent chunk of the offense run through him. Martin sitting out at the 3 point line over Wiggins plays to both player's strengths right now. Martin doesn't really go to the bucket anymore and Wiggins is in a shooting slump. Let Wiggins continue to get to the hole and Martin stretch the floor. Wiggins can do all this off the ball stuff when Ricky is back and orchestrating the offense, but right now we don't have people getting him the ball at all when he is not part of the play.

Meh, it depends. Obviously if they are sitting at the top of the key and a shot goes up, they probably shouldn't crash the glass. But Andrew is often inverted with a big. He posts up a lot and is going to the hoop more and more. There is no reason he shouldn't be trying to hit the O-glass when he is already in the area.

He can learn plenty from working off the ball without Rubio. If he's not part of the play, he can still do things to get open. Pek, Dieng, Mo, and Martin are all capable of finding cutters and guys in open space. Wiggins needs to learn how to get himself open and be opportunistic. He doesn't need to be constantly spoon-fed the ball.

[GymRat [enjin:6592663]]

I guess maybe my concern stems from the fact I don't see much well designed weak-side/off ball action from the Wolves. It seems to be more 2-3 man strong side most of the time. If that's a reflection of the 5% of the playbook Flip's installed thus far, then maybe I should be more patient as we get players back and the young guys learn it. Yet, I just don't get the sense that it's ever going to be a big part of the offensive package.