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TheFuture wrote:Bosh - and not just because of the left hand. Better defensively. Quicker trajectory offensively.

He dribbles well for a big. Can pull up from deep (see HS tape).

He is a freakish athlete at 7'1. I don't personally care about the era or style of play. If there is someone out there like that; you take the chance.

I also think he will be the most valuable trade commodity because after him are lead guard/playmaker types. While not every team will value him as #1, there are probably a handful of GMs that would salivate at having Wiseman as their Center for the future.

If we didn't have KAT in the mix, who would be our pick? Without question, Wiseman. Well, there are plenty of teams that could use a high-ceiling Center, so I think we need to take him knowing that he is probably the most valuable asset on the market (that's assuming we don't trade it before we even pick him).

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:I think simply watching their tape and seeing who plays hard is a way to tell. I'm crossing anyone off the board if they don't give an high level of effort consistently. Many of these guys are very similar athletically and skill wise. The BIGGEST factor on wether or not they become stars is wether they play hard, are supremely competitive, hate losing, etc.

Guys who get big NBA money and simply don't give too much of a shit about winning won't make this team a contender. (Wiggins for example).

I think what you're really saying is you can't become great in the league unless you have a burning competitive desire and a willingness to do whatever it takes. MJ, Lebron, Kobe, Magic, Bird all had or have that. From everything I've heard or read about Andrew, he had the high work ethic. But he wasn't wired mentally the way the great players are. On the teams I coached, most often my best player was also my hardest worker and player who loved the game and hated to lose the most. I think you have to find those attributes in a #1 pick.

Right. Just little things too, like when the team is losing the ultra competitive guys are not sitting on the bench joking around and laughing. Wiggins did this, KAT may have too but much less so. I think KAT has much more desire to win.

I haven't watched these lotto guys play enough to say who has the killer mentality and who doesn't, I've just watched some highlight reels.

But I think you can pick up on things just by watching their body language, how they act on the bench, especially while losing.

Simply put though, not bashing on Wiggins. But he didn't pan out and was not a great number one pick. An avg starter in the league, I think he'll have more success not being the guy in GSW.

In a way you have to be a little bit off to be a Jordan or leBron. To be that famous is not something I would like myself. Even Jordan, I don't know if he wanted the fame, you could tell in that Jordan doc it wore on him. Can't go out in public without being swamped by people. People always asking for your time, autograph, etc. It would get old real fast.

Q12543 wrote:

TheFuture wrote:Bosh - and not just because of the left hand. Better defensively. Quicker trajectory offensively.

He dribbles well for a big. Can pull up from deep (see HS tape).

He is a freakish athlete at 7'1. I don't personally care about the era or style of play. If there is someone out there like that; you take the chance.

I also think he will be the most valuable trade commodity because after him are lead guard/playmaker types. While not every team will value him as #1, there are probably a handful of GMs that would salivate at having Wiseman as their Center for the future.

If we didn't have KAT in the mix, who would be our pick? Without question, Wiseman. Well, there are plenty of teams that could use a high-ceiling Center, so I think we need to take him knowing that he is probably the most valuable asset on the market (that's assuming we don't trade it before we even pick him).

Agree 100%.

Take Wiseman and make it work ( like good coaches and FOs do), or utilize the best player to garner better assets.

I want nothing to do with Ball here. The family, his floater threes, his lack of D, his stature, his defense, his fit.. I'm very timid on Edwards. There is plenty of tape on Edwards checking out of games. And I cant chalk that up to him being on a shit team. If anything, he should be acting near maniacal on the court or towards his team.

I also see a loaded backcourt without trades. D'LO, Jmac, beasley, Okogie, Culver, Nowell. All seem to me to be suited in the backcourt. Why continue to waste assets at the same position before we know what they are - Okogie, Culver (he has been steamrolled more than any other rookie I can think of)?

I would get it if there was a Wall, Rose, LeBron etc. type prospect. But there is not.

What do we have in the mid/frontcourt longterm?

KAT.

It is Wiseman, Deni, or trade back for me.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:I think simply watching their tape and seeing who plays hard is a way to tell. I'm crossing anyone off the board if they don't give an high level of effort consistently. Many of these guys are very similar athletically and skill wise. The BIGGEST factor on wether or not they become stars is wether they play hard, are supremely competitive, hate losing, etc.

Guys who get big NBA money and simply don't give too much of a shit about winning won't make this team a contender. (Wiggins for example).

I think what you're really saying is you can't become great in the league unless you have a burning competitive desire and a willingness to do whatever it takes. MJ, Lebron, Kobe, Magic, Bird all had or have that. From everything I've heard or read about Andrew, he had the high work ethic. But he wasn't wired mentally the way the great players are. On the teams I coached, most often my best player was also my hardest worker and player who loved the game and hated to lose the most. I think you have to find those attributes in a #1 pick.

Look up Deni.

He stayed after a championship game to shoot free throws because he missed too many. All while his team went out to celebrate.

Those are the players I want around KAT and DLO right now.

If you happen to watch tape - can you check out one thing as a former coach?

It looks to me that his off-hand thumb is involved in his release. That's what I believe has been his largest issue shooting all around. Otherwise, his overall play is outstanding. Not a Luka, but I have a difficult time not seeing him play in the NBA for a long time.