Minnesota Sports Forum

SameOldNudityDrew wrote:
I find it hard to understand how anyone can be more upset at people protesting against police killing black people disproportionately than at the police for actually doing it.

Define disproportionately?

thedoper wrote:An ethical analysis of this is not that complex, one side of this issue is dying. The other side is getting their windows broken and falsely crying bloody murder. Unity needs to start with the side with more power and inflicting much more damage.

There aren't two opposing sides to this. It's possible for someone to support peaceful protests, sensible police reform, AND be against looting and rioting. In fact, I'd say the majority of folks fall into this camp.

Also, "the other side" getting their windows broken and stuff taken happen to be people living and working in the very same neighborhoods that experience the systemic problems you describe. Many of the stores being looted and places being destroyed are key pillars of their neighborhoods and not part of some evil power structure.

You ask what I think is nonsense. Well, look around. There are millions of uneducated (in that they haven't asked enough why's) people from all sorts of backgrounds protesting and rioting over a false narrative. The idea that blacks, especially unarmed blacks, are being unjustly murdered by law enforcement is lunacy. The numbers don't support it. In reality -- a place where liberal Democrats don't often spend much of their time -- a greater number of whites are killed by police annually, which is absurd considering blacks statistically make up roughly 60-percent of all violent crimes. You'd think that since whites are being killed more often that they'd be committing more violent crime, but that's not the case. Nobody wants you to know that as it doesn't play into the Black Lives Matter movement where they portray black people to be helpless and dependent victims of the law.

Now, we can look at specific instances where the American people have been lied to by mainstream media. George Floyd was viciously murdered by police offers in Minneapolis. He couldn't breathe for eight minutes. He was a God-fearing man who was changing his life for the better... Or was he? Further research would lead most rational people to believe that he was incredibly high and absolutely resisting arrest. Further research would show that Floyd's autopsy showed that he had a lethal dose of fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system and that his death was not caused by asphyxiation. The body camera footage of officers on the scene show that Floyd -- while resisting arrest -- was complaining about everything from head to toe to include his lack of breathing... long before an officer ever had his knee placed on his neck. Floyd stated that he could not breathe, that he was claustrophobic, that he was thirsty, that his knees hurt, that his back hurt. Floyd begged and pleaded for these officers to lay him on the ground where he was detained and eventually died. In my non-medical opinion, he died of a drug overdose. Derek Chauvin will be disciplined for how he handled the situation, but I do not think he murdered Floyd that day.

And now we have Jacob Blake. The media wants you to know that he's a father of six. They want you to know that he was mediating an altercation between two women. They want you to know that he was shot seven times in the back for no apparent reason. What they don't want you to find out is that Blake has a blatant criminal history. That Blake is a sexual offender and domestic abuser on multiple charges. That Blake had a warrant for his arrest. That Blake has a history of violence and the police dating back to 2015 where he grappled with police after pointing his firearm at a man in a bar. The Wisconsin DOJ confirmed this evening that Blake was in fact armed with a knife on the scene of his shooting. So, we know the history. We know that he was armed. Well, did the police take progressive measures in order to subdue Blake? Video evidence confirms that officers gave verbal commands and attempted to take him down to the ground. They were unsuccessful. They told him to "drop the knife" to which he did not comply. They used a stun gun as the next means of force, but was unsuccessful. Blake, still carrying his knife, promptly walked to the driver side of his SUV and reached inside. It's at that point where lethal force is authorized and the officer fired his weapon. You have a suspect with a violent history who is resisting arrest and various means of force reaching into his vehicle for what I'm sure they thought would be another weapon. Those officers have families to return to. They have lives to protect including their own. I can't understand what others do not understand about this. How can people simply deduce this as a racially-motivated killing of the innocent. It's mind-boggling.

So, yes, to me and I'm sure many others this entire protest and movement is nonsense. The facts and details are open to the public. It's up to each individual to not only find them on their own but to think for themselves. I'm not seeing that happen in 2020. I'm seeing sheep be led astray by the media. I'm seeing a lack of accountability and responsibility in various forms. There are more lives being destroyed as a response to these incidents than there are lives being taken from law enforcement. Where does this end? How does this end? I simply don't know.

If you happened to read this long of a post, then I hope you either found yourself nodding along because you knew the information already and agree or you are motivated to go make some conclusions of your own. Or you can make a rebuttal. But do not call me a racist as you have no basis for such a claim. I see that word being thrown around every day on social media and it is losing its value.

Q12543 wrote:

thedoper wrote:An ethical analysis of this is not that complex, one side of this issue is dying. The other side is getting their windows broken and falsely crying bloody murder. Unity needs to start with the side with more power and inflicting much more damage.

There aren't two opposing sides to this. It's possible for someone to support peaceful protests, sensible police reform, AND be against looting and rioting. In fact, I'd say the majority of folks fall into this camp.

Also, "the other side" getting their windows broken and stuff taken happen to be people living and working in the very same neighborhoods that experience the systemic problems you describe. Many of the stores being looted and places being destroyed are key pillars of their neighborhoods and not part of some evil power structure.

The people are not protesting against key pillars of their neighborhoods. And the key pillars of black neighborhoods are in support of black lives matter and what protestors are calling for.

I believe their shouldn't be sides to this, but the police and those like this misguided 17 year old kid have drawn lines that need great work to be remedied.

Cam, you're not a racist, and I find it refreshing you challenge the narrative being forced down our throats every day. I'm tired of the mainstream media, hollywood elites, and pro athletes telling us how we should think, feel, and vote. I would much rather hear from hard working, disadvantaged people who wage a battle everyday to protect their families and put food on the table. I want to know their struggles and how we can help their plight. I want to flush out the law enforcement elements who give the force a bad name. At the same time I want to celebrate the thousands of law enforcement officers who do it the right way. Those individuals don't deserve what is happening to them now. But save it NBA players, your voice is no more important than anyone else's.

thedoper wrote:

I believe their shouldn't be sides to this, but the police and those like this misguided 17 year old kid have drawn lines that need great work to be remedied.

What was going on when this kid that shot people? I am not sure I heard that side. I want to jump to a conclusion on him, but can't until I know enough about this kid and what happened.

Simple question: Do you believe that systemic racism exists in the USA In some way shape or form? This isn't a trap question just a simple yes or no is fine.

Camden0916 wrote:You ask what I think is nonsense. Well, look around. There are millions of uneducated (in that they haven't asked enough why's) people from all sorts of backgrounds protesting and rioting over a false narrative. The idea that blacks, especially unarmed blacks, are being unjustly murdered by law enforcement is lunacy. The numbers don't support it. In reality -- a place where liberal Democrats don't often spend much of their time -- a greater number of whites are killed by police annually, which is absurd considering blacks statistically make up roughly 60-percent of all violent crimes. You'd think that since whites are being killed more often that they'd be committing more violent crime, but that's not the case. Nobody wants you to know that as it doesn't play into the Black Lives Matter movement where they portray black people to be helpless and dependent victims of the law.

Now, we can look at specific instances where the American people have been lied to by mainstream media. George Floyd was viciously murdered by police offers in Minneapolis. He couldn't breathe for eight minutes. He was a God-fearing man who was changing his life for the better... Or was he? Further research would lead most rational people to believe that he was incredibly high and absolutely resisting arrest. Further research would show that Floyd's autopsy showed that he had a lethal dose of fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system and that his death was not caused by asphyxiation. The body camera footage of officers on the scene show that Floyd -- while resisting arrest -- was complaining about everything from head to toe to include his lack of breathing... long before an officer ever had his knee placed on his neck. Floyd stated that he could not breathe, that he was claustrophobic, that he was thirsty, that his knees hurt, that his back hurt. Floyd begged and pleaded for these officers to lay him on the ground where he was detained and eventually died. In my non-medical opinion, he died of a drug overdose. Derek Chauvin will be disciplined for how he handled the situation, but I do not think he murdered Floyd that day.

And now we have Jacob Blake. The media wants you to know that he's a father of six. They want you to know that he was mediating an altercation between two women. They want you to know that he was shot seven times in the back for no apparent reason. What they don't want you to find out is that Blake has a blatant criminal history. That Blake is a sexual offender and domestic abuser on multiple charges. That Blake had a warrant for his arrest. That Blake has a history of violence and the police dating back to 2015 where he grappled with police after pointing his firearm at a man in a bar. The Wisconsin DOJ confirmed this evening that Blake was in fact armed with a knife on the scene of his shooting. So, we know the history. We know that he was armed. Well, did the police take progressive measures in order to subdue Blake? Video evidence confirms that officers gave verbal commands and attempted to take him down to the ground. They were unsuccessful. They told him to "drop the knife" to which he did not comply. They used a stun gun as the next means of force, but was unsuccessful. Blake, still carrying his knife, promptly walked to the driver side of his SUV and reached inside. It's at that point where lethal force is authorized and the officer fired his weapon. You have a suspect with a violent history who is resisting arrest and various means of force reaching into his vehicle for what I'm sure they thought would be another weapon. Those officers have families to return to. They have lives to protect including their own. I can't understand what others do not understand about this. How can people simply deduce this as a racially-motivated killing of the innocent. It's mind-boggling.

So, yes, to me and I'm sure many others this entire protest and movement is nonsense. The facts and details are open to the public. It's up to each individual to not only find them on their own but to think for themselves. I'm not seeing that happen in 2020. I'm seeing sheep be led astray by the media. I'm seeing a lack of accountability and responsibility in various forms. There are more lives being destroyed as a response to these incidents than there are lives being taken from law enforcement. Where does this end? How does this end? I simply don't know.

If you happened to read this long of a post, then I hope you either found yourself nodding along because you knew the information already and agree or you are motivated to go make some conclusions of your own. Or you can make a rebuttal. But do not call me a racist as you have no basis for such a claim. I see that word being thrown around every day on social media and it is losing its value.

The Wisconsin DOJ did not say Jacob Blake was armed with a knife. He said Blake had a knife on the driver's side of his vehicle which he had already disclosed to police.

"According to the release, Blake admitted to investigators that he did have a knife at the time and a knife was recovered from the driver's side floorboard of his vehicle. No other weapons were found, the report said." - NBC Chicago

bleedspeed177 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

I believe their shouldn't be sides to this, but the police and those like this misguided 17 year old kid have drawn lines that need great work to be remedied.

What was going on when this kid that shot people? I am not sure I heard that side. I want to jump to a conclusion on him, but can't until I know enough about this kid and what happened.

He is being arrested for murder 1, all of his social media has been seized. That's premeditation by someone obsessed with police justice. I dont recommend looking too much into him unless you want to start getting depressed.