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kekgeek1 wrote:I am totally blanking right now but has faired ever played with a good point guard. I just remember him dominating on team USA when he could just rim run and catch lobs off PnR.

In theory faired should be more of a force on the offensive boards with the wolves because if you run a PnR with ricky and towns that takes away the focus off faired defender making it easier for faired get in to great offensive rebounding position. Sort of like what Thompson does for the cavs so much focus is left on other player he can focus on rebounding. In a vacuum I think they are both overvalued but in the right context faried would be awesome

monsterpile wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:I am totally blanking right now but has faired ever played with a good point guard. I just remember him dominating on team USA when he could just rim run and catch lobs off PnR.

In theory faired should be more of a force on the offensive boards with the wolves because if you run a PnR with ricky and towns that takes away the focus off faired defender making it easier for faired get in to great offensive rebounding position. Sort of like what Thompson does for the cavs so much focus is left on other player he can focus on rebounding. In a vacuum I think they are both overvalued but in the right context faried would be awesome

Most of his career he played with Ty Lawson.

mrhockey89 wrote:Can't see Denver doing that, but I'd bite

lipoli390 wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Can't see Denver doing that, but I'd bite

I agree. Seems to me the key is whether there is a draft prospect who Denver covets but who the Wolves or Pelicans would take and keep. Otherwise, I don't see why Denver would do the deal even if they really like Shabazz and even though they'd get cap relief via Pek a year or two sooner than they would keeping Faried.

crazysauce wrote:Not sure but have heard we are in discussions to deal for faried.

Heard pek 5 and bazz for faried and 7. If that is the case you take that all day. Is this real life?

TRKO wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

mrhockey89 wrote:Can't see Denver doing that, but I'd bite

I agree. Seems to me the key is whether there is a draft prospect who Denver covets but who the Wolves or Pelicans would take and keep. Otherwise, I don't see why Denver would do the deal even if they really like Shabazz and even though they'd get cap relief via Pek a year or two sooner than they would keeping Faried.

Yeah the only way the deal happens is if the nuggets have fallen in love with a prospect that they feel won't be there at 7. This trade would have to happen on draft night and would only happen if the player they really want is there at 5.

longstrangetrip wrote:Even though two mocks have Bender dropping to 7, I have a feeling that it will be Brown that would actually be there for us...so I've been trying to learn more about him. While there's a lot to like about him, I have to say he would be my least favorite choice in the consensus top 7.

First, the positives. He's big, strong, long and athletic, and was the number two prospect behind Simmons coming out of high school. He also seems to be by far the smartest lottery pick we have seen in a long while...he turned down offers from Kentucky, Kansas and Duke because he plans to get his degree and preferred the academic environment at Berkeley.

All that said, he has some serious weaknesses. Most importantly, he has terrible shooting form for a wing, and the expected poor results, There's little consistency on his jump shot, and he leans back in an odd way on his release. His shot is going to need a lot of work to be even NBA average. He drew fouls at one of the highest NCAA rates last year, but the effectiveness of this skill is limited by his poor 65% free throw rate. He has tremendous potential to be a very good defender capable of defending four positions, but he has a tendency to daydream sometimes on the court.

I would say the difference between Brown's ceiling and floor is as vast as any player in the lottery. If we complete the Denver deal and end up drafting Brown, I would not expect much from him for at least a season. But I also think he is an intriguing prospect. Sometimes high school players who are so physically dominant don't have the need to really perfect their shot, so it's not inconceivable that he has a lot of upside on his jumper. And meanwhile, his size and athleiticsm can carry him a long way.

Q12543 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:Even though two mocks have Bender dropping to 7, I have a feeling that it will be Brown that would actually be there for us...so I've been trying to learn more about him. While there's a lot to like about him, I have to say he would be my least favorite choice in the consensus top 7.

First, the positives. He's big, strong, long and athletic, and was the number two prospect behind Simmons coming out of high school. He also seems to be by far the smartest lottery pick we have seen in a long while...he turned down offers from Kentucky, Kansas and Duke because he plans to get his degree and preferred the academic environment at Berkeley.

All that said, he has some serious weaknesses. Most importantly, he has terrible shooting form for a wing, and the expected poor results, There's little consistency on his jump shot, and he leans back in an odd way on his release. His shot is going to need a lot of work to be even NBA average. He drew fouls at one of the highest NCAA rates last year, but the effectiveness of this skill is limited by his poor 65% free throw rate. He has tremendous potential to be a very good defender capable of defending four positions, but he has a tendency to daydream sometimes on the court.

I would say the difference between Brown's ceiling and floor is as vast as any player in the lottery. If we complete the Denver deal and end up drafting Brown, I would not expect much from him for at least a season. But I also think he is an intriguing prospect. Sometimes high school players who are so physically dominant don't have the need to really perfect their shot, so it's not inconceivable that he has a lot of upside on his jumper. And meanwhile, his size and athleiticsm can carry him a long way.

While I will be fairly happy to get Dunn, Hield, or Murray, this is one guy I'm not too wild about. He very much reminds me of Stanley Johnson - another guy I was leery about last year - in that he has an NBA body, but not NBA-caliber skills. And while Brown is certainly well put together for a college freshman, his size and athleticism is average-ish for an NBA wing. I'm just not seeing it with this guy.

longstrangetrip wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:Even though two mocks have Bender dropping to 7, I have a feeling that it will be Brown that would actually be there for us...so I've been trying to learn more about him. While there's a lot to like about him, I have to say he would be my least favorite choice in the consensus top 7.

First, the positives. He's big, strong, long and athletic, and was the number two prospect behind Simmons coming out of high school. He also seems to be by far the smartest lottery pick we have seen in a long while...he turned down offers from Kentucky, Kansas and Duke because he plans to get his degree and preferred the academic environment at Berkeley.

All that said, he has some serious weaknesses. Most importantly, he has terrible shooting form for a wing, and the expected poor results, There's little consistency on his jump shot, and he leans back in an odd way on his release. His shot is going to need a lot of work to be even NBA average. He drew fouls at one of the highest NCAA rates last year, but the effectiveness of this skill is limited by his poor 65% free throw rate. He has tremendous potential to be a very good defender capable of defending four positions, but he has a tendency to daydream sometimes on the court.

I would say the difference between Brown's ceiling and floor is as vast as any player in the lottery. If we complete the Denver deal and end up drafting Brown, I would not expect much from him for at least a season. But I also think he is an intriguing prospect. Sometimes high school players who are so physically dominant don't have the need to really perfect their shot, so it's not inconceivable that he has a lot of upside on his jumper. And meanwhile, his size and athleiticsm can carry him a long way.

While I will be fairly happy to get Dunn, Hield, or Murray, this is one guy I'm not too wild about. He very much reminds me of Stanley Johnson - another guy I was leery about last year - in that he has an NBA body, but not NBA-caliber skills. And while Brown is certainly well put together for a college freshman, his size and athleticism is average-ish for an NBA wing. I'm just not seeing it with this guy.

Exactly the same thought I had last night as I was researching Brown, q. Both he and Johnson became high school legends by physically punishing opponents and never learned to become good shooters. Stanley is a better defender though. I was high on Johnson last year, but he didn't have a very good rookie year. I haven't given up on Stsnley, but very few players who build their reputation primarily on physical dominance become great NBA players. That's exactly why I sense Denver might be motivated to move up 2 spots...to avoid Brown.