Q12543 wrote:Yeah, their inability to go get some more size up front or at least trade for another defensive-oriented PF to split time with Vando is disappointing to me.
Yeah, I can't think of a team that is going to be tinier than us. There's some evidence at least that Rosas isn't completely clueless about realizing how undersized this roster is if you believe some of the names he was rumored to be after. Collins, Nance, JaMychal Green, Gasol, Millsap...all would have helped with our size issue. So maybe Gersson is starting to get it a little...he just can't get it done.
Wolves are the 2nd smallest team in the NBA. Rockets are the only team smaller
Ok, so that validates the issue then.
Where is the list for the smallest teams?
Dane Moore tweeted yesterday the Wolves are the 2nd smallest team
Thanks I read his tweets. I'm pretty sure he didn't check with Lip on his database of standing reach. :)
Dane the thinks the Wolves will start Russell Beasley Ant but I actually don't think they will. I think it's going to be Russell Ant McDaniels Vanderbilt and Towns. Russell is a pretty big PG and McDaniels is now probably 6'10". The wolves are not a big team but if they play Prince as a backup SF that's not small either. The Wolves also have a couple shorter perimeter guys like a Beverly and Okogie (who has a 7' wingspan) that play a lot bigger (defensively) than their size. Whether the Wolves are undersized or small as Dane suggests (rightly so) might depend on who they play at PF especially if there are injuries. If they go smallball at PF then yes. If they are willing to play Knight minutes instead than not so much. I get the sense Finch isn't gonna live the small ball life but do it in smaller or moderate doses. I mean last year Finch was playing Juancho more than just every once in a while at the 3.
The other consideration is that teams that play small ball typically have a lot of 3 point shooters. The Wolves up to this point really didn't have those shooters and often had multiple guys on the floor that weren't reliable threats. This offseason the wolves 2 moves upgraded the shooting with Beverly and Prince. Ok maybe Prince is a certainty to be a meaningful upgrade but he has very strong catch and shoot numbers (also a good FT shooter) so I do feel good about him being better than say Juancho Layman or Culver, 2 of which aren't on the roster anymore. I'm not saying this team is suddenly a 3 point shooting team but it feels more like one than what we have had for a quite a while even if that's a pretty low bar.
Rebounding is a concern and Juancho did actually have a pretty solid rebounding rate but if some of those minutes go to a combo of Naz Vanderbilt and even Knight then that mitigates the problem and possibly even make it better if some of those guys get minutes instead of someone like a Layman who is not a good rebounder. Prince isn't a good rebounder but he seems to be an upgrade there over a Layman.
Ultimately I would like to see the Wolves add a big legit center sized dude to play some minutes but I also think if the Wolves get the most out of their roster (assuming Vanderbilt signs) then it may not be as big of a deal as it may seem. Time will tell and while obviously the players need to play well I think Finch and the coaching staff can have a big impact on the success for this team.
Monster - I agree with your assessment. And yes, Dane failed to check with me on standing reach and wingspan. :).
I think there's a tendency to overlook Reid's size. He's 240 pounds with a 9'1 standing reach and a 7'3.25 wingspan. That's decent size for an NBA C and excellent size for the PF position. McDaniels has an 8'11 standing reach and a 6'11.5 wingspan. Apparently, he's also put on 10 pounds of muscle, moving him up to around 210 lbs. So he has great size for a SF and decent size for a skilled, athletic PF. Vanderbilt is around 200 lbs with an 8'10 standing reach and a 6'11 wingspan. He also recorded a 39.5 max vertical. He was listed as a SF coming out of college and has great length and athleticism for that position. He has decent size for the PF position when you factor in his athleticism. And let's not forget that Towns is almost 250 lbs with a 9'5 standing reach and a 7'4 wingspan. That's big even by NBA center standards.
I'm with you in wanting the Wolves to add more size - someone at least 235 lbs and more length than Reid, Vanderbilt and Vanderbilt. I still think Myles Turner would be the perfect fit. I don't know his standing reach, but he's around 240 lbs with a 7'4 wingspan. More importantly, he's a proven elite defender and rim protector. Note that as much as I focus on length and size, it's performance that matters. Vanderbilt might have average size for a PF, but he's a terrific rebounder and tenacious defender - two things we really need from our big who plays next to KAT. Naz Reid has good size and mobility, but he's been a poor defender and essentially plays smaller than his size on the defensive end. Maybe he can improve defensively. Maybe we can do a deal for Mo Bamba. I still like the idea of signing Hartenstein, but he's no bigger than Naz Reid.
Q12543 wrote:Yeah, their inability to go get some more size up front or at least trade for another defensive-oriented PF to split time with Vando is disappointing to me.
Yeah, I can't think of a team that is going to be tinier than us. There's some evidence at least that Rosas isn't completely clueless about realizing how undersized this roster is if you believe some of the names he was rumored to be after. Collins, Nance, JaMychal Green, Gasol, Millsap...all would have helped with our size issue. So maybe Gersson is starting to get it a little...he just can't get it done.
Wolves are the 2nd smallest team in the NBA. Rockets are the only team smaller
Ok, so that validates the issue then.
Where is the list for the smallest teams?
Dane Moore tweeted yesterday the Wolves are the 2nd smallest team
Thanks I read his tweets. I'm pretty sure he didn't check with Lip on his database of standing reach. :)
Dane the thinks the Wolves will start Russell Beasley Ant but I actually don't think they will. I think it's going to be Russell Ant McDaniels Vanderbilt and Towns. Russell is a pretty big PG and McDaniels is now probably 6'10". The wolves are not a big team but if they play Prince as a backup SF that's not small either. The Wolves also have a couple shorter perimeter guys like a Beverly and Okogie (who has a 7' wingspan) that play a lot bigger (defensively) than their size. Whether the Wolves are undersized or small as Dane suggests (rightly so) might depend on who they play at PF especially if there are injuries. If they go smallball at PF then yes. If they are willing to play Knight minutes instead than not so much. I get the sense Finch isn't gonna live the small ball life but do it in smaller or moderate doses. I mean last year Finch was playing Juancho more than just every once in a while at the 3.
The other consideration is that teams that play small ball typically have a lot of 3 point shooters. The Wolves up to this point really didn't have those shooters and often had multiple guys on the floor that weren't reliable threats. This offseason the wolves 2 moves upgraded the shooting with Beverly and Prince. Ok maybe Prince is a certainty to be a meaningful upgrade but he has very strong catch and shoot numbers (also a good FT shooter) so I do feel good about him being better than say Juancho Layman or Culver, 2 of which aren't on the roster anymore. I'm not saying this team is suddenly a 3 point shooting team but it feels more like one than what we have had for a quite a while even if that's a pretty low bar.
Rebounding is a concern and Juancho did actually have a pretty solid rebounding rate but if some of those minutes go to a combo of Naz Vanderbilt and even Knight then that mitigates the problem and possibly even make it better if some of those guys get minutes instead of someone like a Layman who is not a good rebounder. Prince isn't a good rebounder but he seems to be an upgrade there over a Layman.
Ultimately I would like to see the Wolves add a big legit center sized dude to play some minutes but I also think if the Wolves get the most out of their roster (assuming Vanderbilt signs) then it may not be as big of a deal as it may seem. Time will tell and while obviously the players need to play well I think Finch and the coaching staff can have a big impact on the success for this team.
Monster - I agree with your assessment. And yes, Dane failed to check with me on standing reach and wingspan. :).
I think there's a tendency to overlook Reid's size. He's 240 pounds with a 9'1 standing reach and a 7'3.25 wingspan. That's decent size for an NBA C and excellent size for the PF position. McDaniels has an 8'11 standing reach and a 6'11.5 wingspan. Apparently, he's also put on 10 pounds of muscle, moving him up to around 210 lbs. So he has great size for a SF and decent size for a skilled, athletic PF. Vanderbilt is around 200 lbs with an 8'10 standing reach and a 6'11 wingspan. He also recorded a 39.5 max vertical. He was listed as a SF coming out of college and has great length and athleticism for that position. He has decent size for the PF position when you factor in his athleticism. And let's not forget that Towns is almost 250 lbs with a 9'5 standing reach and a 7'4 wingspan. That's big even by NBA center standards.
I'm with you in wanting the Wolves to add more size - someone at least 235 lbs and more length than Reid, Vanderbilt and Vanderbilt. I still think Myles Turner would be the perfect fit. I don't know his standing reach, but he's around 240 lbs with a 7'4 wingspan. More importantly, he's a proven elite defender and rim protector. Note that as much as I focus on length and size, it's performance that matters. Vanderbilt might have average size for a PF, but he's a terrific rebounder and tenacious defender - two things we really need from our big who plays next to KAT. Naz Reid has good size and mobility, but he's been a poor defender and essentially plays smaller than his size on the defensive end. Maybe he can improve defensively. Maybe we can do a deal for Mo Bamba. I still like the idea of signing Hartenstein, but he's no bigger than Naz Reid.
Myles Turner's measurements are 6'9.75" without shoes 7'4" wingspan and 9'4" standing reach. Get that in your database! :)
Lip what about Reid makes him play smaller than his size defensively? Is it something more than his ok at best rebounding numbers?
Q12543 wrote:Yeah, their inability to go get some more size up front or at least trade for another defensive-oriented PF to split time with Vando is disappointing to me.
Yeah, I can't think of a team that is going to be tinier than us. There's some evidence at least that Rosas isn't completely clueless about realizing how undersized this roster is if you believe some of the names he was rumored to be after. Collins, Nance, JaMychal Green, Gasol, Millsap...all would have helped with our size issue. So maybe Gersson is starting to get it a little...he just can't get it done.
Wolves are the 2nd smallest team in the NBA. Rockets are the only team smaller
Ok, so that validates the issue then.
Where is the list for the smallest teams?
Dane Moore tweeted yesterday the Wolves are the 2nd smallest team
Thanks I read his tweets. I'm pretty sure he didn't check with Lip on his database of standing reach. :)
Dane the thinks the Wolves will start Russell Beasley Ant but I actually don't think they will. I think it's going to be Russell Ant McDaniels Vanderbilt and Towns. Russell is a pretty big PG and McDaniels is now probably 6'10". The wolves are not a big team but if they play Prince as a backup SF that's not small either. The Wolves also have a couple shorter perimeter guys like a Beverly and Okogie (who has a 7' wingspan) that play a lot bigger (defensively) than their size. Whether the Wolves are undersized or small as Dane suggests (rightly so) might depend on who they play at PF especially if there are injuries. If they go smallball at PF then yes. If they are willing to play Knight minutes instead than not so much. I get the sense Finch isn't gonna live the small ball life but do it in smaller or moderate doses. I mean last year Finch was playing Juancho more than just every once in a while at the 3.
The other consideration is that teams that play small ball typically have a lot of 3 point shooters. The Wolves up to this point really didn't have those shooters and often had multiple guys on the floor that weren't reliable threats. This offseason the wolves 2 moves upgraded the shooting with Beverly and Prince. Ok maybe Prince is a certainty to be a meaningful upgrade but he has very strong catch and shoot numbers (also a good FT shooter) so I do feel good about him being better than say Juancho Layman or Culver, 2 of which aren't on the roster anymore. I'm not saying this team is suddenly a 3 point shooting team but it feels more like one than what we have had for a quite a while even if that's a pretty low bar.
Rebounding is a concern and Juancho did actually have a pretty solid rebounding rate but if some of those minutes go to a combo of Naz Vanderbilt and even Knight then that mitigates the problem and possibly even make it better if some of those guys get minutes instead of someone like a Layman who is not a good rebounder. Prince isn't a good rebounder but he seems to be an upgrade there over a Layman.
Ultimately I would like to see the Wolves add a big legit center sized dude to play some minutes but I also think if the Wolves get the most out of their roster (assuming Vanderbilt signs) then it may not be as big of a deal as it may seem. Time will tell and while obviously the players need to play well I think Finch and the coaching staff can have a big impact on the success for this team.
Monster - I agree with your assessment. And yes, Dane failed to check with me on standing reach and wingspan. :).
I think there's a tendency to overlook Reid's size. He's 240 pounds with a 9'1 standing reach and a 7'3.25 wingspan. That's decent size for an NBA C and excellent size for the PF position. McDaniels has an 8'11 standing reach and a 6'11.5 wingspan. Apparently, he's also put on 10 pounds of muscle, moving him up to around 210 lbs. So he has great size for a SF and decent size for a skilled, athletic PF. Vanderbilt is around 200 lbs with an 8'10 standing reach and a 6'11 wingspan. He also recorded a 39.5 max vertical. He was listed as a SF coming out of college and has great length and athleticism for that position. He has decent size for the PF position when you factor in his athleticism. And let's not forget that Towns is almost 250 lbs with a 9'5 standing reach and a 7'4 wingspan. That's big even by NBA center standards.
I'm with you in wanting the Wolves to add more size - someone at least 235 lbs and more length than Reid, Vanderbilt and Vanderbilt. I still think Myles Turner would be the perfect fit. I don't know his standing reach, but he's around 240 lbs with a 7'4 wingspan. More importantly, he's a proven elite defender and rim protector. Note that as much as I focus on length and size, it's performance that matters. Vanderbilt might have average size for a PF, but he's a terrific rebounder and tenacious defender - two things we really need from our big who plays next to KAT. Naz Reid has good size and mobility, but he's been a poor defender and essentially plays smaller than his size on the defensive end. Maybe he can improve defensively. Maybe we can do a deal for Mo Bamba. I still like the idea of signing Hartenstein, but he's no bigger than Naz Reid.
Myles Turner's measurements are 6'9.75" without shoes 7'4" wingspan and 9'4" standing reach. Get that in your database! :)
Lip what about Reid makes him play smaller than his size defensively? Is it something more than his ok at best rebounding numbers?
He had a defensive rating of 112.4 last season. That's pretty bad. If your question is why his defense hasn't been very good, I don't know. At 240 pounds with a 7'3.25 wingspan, you'd think he'd be a better defender given how good he's become on the offensive end and how nimble he's become since getting himself in shape. Markkanen had a 109.9 defensive rating last year and he's regarded as a pretty poor defender. Naz is a big guy, but doesn't seems to have a presence defensively inside and he's not regarded as a rim protector. The Wolves have worse defenders than Naz statistically, but I don't think Naz defends at a level that aligns with his size and skills.
I see Lip you were just talking numbers when talking about Naz defense. I thought maybe there was an observation on how he played.
One reason I think Naz Reid fell like he did in the draft was his underwhelming shot block numbers. His rookie season he was at 1.6 blocks per game per 36 (also had 1.4 steals per 36). This year that block number jumped to 2 per 36 and he had over a block a game in less than 20mpg. Of course we both know steals and blocks don't equate to good defense but Naz getting blocks I think it's worth noting. There are guys that protect the rim with low shot blocking numbers. I mean technically isn't anyone that keeps someone from scoring is a rim protector? :)
I think the main point here is that Naz at this point now (because it was questioned coming out in the draft) has enough physical gifts to be at least average defensively. It's whether he can get it and can the coaching staff and maybe even some teammates help him get there.
A couple things on Naz. I think the main reason he wasn't drafted despite being a huge prospect out of HS was that he was fat and out of shape at LSU...his body fat was twice the average draftee. And he still looked out of shape in SL for us that year. He has since lost a lot of weight and is clearly much more mobile than he was in college.
But the flip side is I think his current weight is much less than published, and while he is quicker than he was, he seems to get bullied a lot in the paint. He was listed at 250 in college when he was overweight...I would be surprised if he was any more than 225 now. Now perhaps they greatly understated his weight at LSU and he was more like 280. But I would guess he is closer to 225 now.
Naz doesn't look real quick either moving sideways or walling up and contesting shots. Simply better coaching can help but he doesn't seem like a quick twitch type of player. Not looking it up but I bet his vertical is on the lower end for guys his size.
He can still be a good defender but will need a lot of work on that going forward. Simply getting more playing time and experience should help but will need to focus on technique and footwork. But his ceiling I think is limited.
WolvesFan21 wrote:Naz doesn't look real quick either moving sideways or walling up and contesting shots. Simply better coaching can help but he doesn't seem like a quick twitch type of player. Not looking it up but I bet his vertical is on the lower end for guys his size.
He can still be a good defender but will need a lot of work on that going forward. Simply getting more playing time and experience should help but will need to focus on technique and footwork. But his ceiling I think is limited.
