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crazy-canuck wrote:Re: Winger

Considering it sounds like he couldn't pick his GM and coach, I get it. https://t.co/QyqJYNL63m

-- Nate Duncan (@NateDuncanNBA) April 21, 2019

And that's why Chauncey will be hired. Because he might be the only one that is ok with the country club and Taylor being a dumbass

kekgeek1 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Re: Winger

Considering it sounds like he couldn't pick his GM and coach, I get it. https://t.co/QyqJYNL63m

-- Nate Duncan (@NateDuncanNBA) April 21, 2019

And that's why Chauncey will be hired. Because he might be the only one that is ok with the country club and Taylor being a dumbass

What a fucking embarrassment, Glen ruins everything

BloopOracle wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Re: Winger

Considering it sounds like he couldn't pick his GM and coach, I get it. https://t.co/QyqJYNL63m

-- Nate Duncan (@NateDuncanNBA) April 21, 2019

And that's why Chauncey will be hired. Because he might be the only one that is ok with the country club and Taylor being a dumbass

What a fucking embarrassment, Glen ruins everything

I thought one of the great things about Glen was that he doesn't meddle? Total horseshit, this team is doomed as long as Glen is heading it. No one with any clout would want to work for that guy.

I read the reports about Winger withdrawing from consideration. I didn't see anything about Glen refusing to allow the new PBO to choose his own GM and head coach. The reports all pointed to Winger liking his situation with the Clippers and not wanting to leave. Some reports were speculating that he might even know the Clippers are likely to sign Leonard and that he wouldn't want to leave in part because of that. So at this point, I don't see any evidence that Glen imposed those constraints or that Winger withdrew because of any such constraints.

If Glen is insisting that the new PBO keep Saunders as head coach for a season or two, I can live with that and I don't think that would be enough to cause a PBO prospect to turn the job down. But if Glen is refusing to allow the new PBO to choose his own GM and assistant GMs or is requiring him to keep Layden, I think that would be enough to cause good PBO candidates to say no. It's critical that a PBO have full discretion to build his own front office staff based on what he wants and needs.

No doubt that Glen meddles as do many owners. How much he meddles we don't know. But I think he gives a lot of discretion to his PBOs. He allowed Kahn to do whatever he wanted - including signing Darko. He allowed Flip to do whatever he wanted, including bringing back KG even though Glen and KG dislike each other. He gave Thibodeau free rein to give Gorgui a big contract, sign Gibson and Teague to big contracts and trade for Butler. He actually gave Thibodeau far too much discretion and time throughout the Butler ordeal at the beginning of this past season. Back in the day, Taylor did nothing to stop the illegal Joe Smith deal. If anything, I think Glen doesn't meddle enough as he watches things implode around him, often waiting far too long to make personnel changes.

Don't get me wrong. I agree that Glen Taylor has been a bafoon. I just don't think meddling is his issue. His issue is incredibly poor judgment and an unsophisticated, parochial approach to running the organization. I fear we'll end up with Billups not because Trajan Langdon or others will refuse to accept an offer but because Glen will have a gut or sentimental feeling of some kind that Billups is the guy. Three of the four PBOs Glen has hired since he bought the team had no meaningful NBA front office experience. McHale and Thibodeau had no such experience. Kahn had a brief stint with the Pacers with no evidence of any meaningful contribution while he was there. Only Flip had meaningful front office experience, but it was as a GM for a while under McHale. Flip and McHale were both local sports heroes who Glen was fond of. There's pattern there. He hires PBOs with no front office experience and local sports heroes. Billups anyone?

The more I read about Langdon, the more I'm convinced he'd be a great choice for the Wolves right now. I think Glen could redeem himself by hiring Langdon and allowing him to pick his own front office staff, including GM, and Assistant GMs. But past experience leads me to believe the choice will be Billups. And I'd consider that choice a continuation of Glen's idiocy.

In all seriousness, even requiring that the POBO retain Ryan Saunders as head coach is foolish. If it was a legitimately proven, winning coach then that would be different. If it was Rick Carlisle, I'd understand. But a young, unproven interim head coach with half of a season under his belt? Only Glen Taylor could be so ridiculous.

Why should any POBO have to be handcuffed to a prior employee when their job performance is directly linked to them? The POBO's job is to ensure that the correct personnel are in place -- not inherent an interim coach with the right last name.

And if the POBO deems that Saunders is the right candidate for the job, then that's even more gratifying in that a legitimate search was conducted and management decided on their own to roll with Saunders.

It just stinks that anyone that accepts the job in Minnesota is going to have one arm tied behind their back from the start and that's because of Taylor's involvement.

lipoli390 wrote:I read the reports about Winger withdrawing from consideration. I didn't see anything about Glen refusing to allow the new PBO to choose his own GM and head coach. The reports all pointed to Winger liking his situation with the Clippers and not wanting to leave. Some reports were speculating that he might even know the Clippers are likely to sign Leonard and that he wouldn't want to leave in part because of that. So at this point, I don't see any evidence that Glen imposed those constraints or that Winger withdrew because of any such constraints.

If Glen is insisting that the new PBO keep Saunders as head coach for a season or two, I can live with that and I don't think that would be enough to cause a PBO prospect to turn the job down. But if Glen is refusing to allow the new PBO to choose his own GM and assistant GMs or is requiring him to keep Layden, I think that would be enough to cause good PBO candidates to say no. It's critical that a PBO have full discretion to build his own front office staff based on what he wants and needs.

No doubt that Glen meddles as do many owners. How much he meddles we don't know. But I think he gives a lot of discretion to his PBOs. He allowed Kahn to do whatever he wanted - including signing Darko. He allowed Flip to do whatever he wanted, including bringing back KG even though Glen and KG dislike each other. He gave Thibodeau free rein to give Gorgui a big contract, sign Gibson and Teague to big contracts and trade for Butler. He actually gave Thibodeau far too much discretion and time throughout the Butler ordeal at the beginning of this past season. Back in the day, Taylor did nothing to stop the illegal Joe Smith deal. If anything, I think Glen doesn't meddle enough as he watches things implode around him, often waiting far too long to make personnel changes.

Don't get me wrong. I agree that Glen Taylor has been a bafoon. I just don't think meddling is his issue. His issue is incredibly poor judgment and an unsophisticated, parochial approach to running the organization. I fear we'll end up with Billups not because Trajan Langdon or others will refuse to accept an offer but because Glen will have a gut or sentimental feeling of some kind that Billups is the guy. Three of the four PBOs Glen has hired since he bought the team had no meaningful NBA front office experience. McHale and Thibodeau had no such experience. Kahn had a brief stint with the Pacers with no evidence of any meaningful contribution while he was there. Only Flip had meaningful front office experience, but it was as a GM for a while under McHale. Flip and McHale were both local sports heroes who Glen was fond of. There's pattern there. He hires PBOs with no front office experience and local sports heroes. Billups anyone?

The more I read about Langdon, the more I'm convinced he'd be a great choice for the Wolves right now. I think Glen could redeem himself by hiring Langdon and allowing him to pick his own front office staff, including GM, and Assistant GMs. But past experience leads me to believe the choice will be Billups. And I'd consider that choice a continuation of Glen's idiocy.

Pretty much every one of Jon Ks reports for the last few months on POBO have implied that Glen wants to keep Ryan and that is likely going to be part of the discussion. There is zero reason to give Glen the benefit of the doubt on anything at this point, he's been the guy on top of the biggest failure in the NBA of the last 15 years and possibly in the running for worst franchise in sports. Putting any condition on personnel for POBO is the definition of meddling, especially from someone with no evidence of any knowledge about basketball.

thedoper wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Re: Winger

Considering it sounds like he couldn't pick his GM and coach, I get it. https://t.co/QyqJYNL63m

-- Nate Duncan (@NateDuncanNBA) April 21, 2019

And that's why Chauncey will be hired. Because he might be the only one that is ok with the country club and Taylor being a dumbass

What a fucking embarrassment, Glen ruins everything

I thought one of the great things about Glen was that he doesn't meddle? Total horseshit, this team is doomed as long as Glen is heading it. No one with any clout would want to work for that guy.

This Nate Duncan tweet seems to only making an assumption that is as fans are. I haven't seen any actual proof/reporting that it was the reason he pulled his name out of the interviews. Reminder they haven't interviewed anyone yet.

thedoper wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I read the reports about Winger withdrawing from consideration. I didn't see anything about Glen refusing to allow the new PBO to choose his own GM and head coach. The reports all pointed to Winger liking his situation with the Clippers and not wanting to leave. Some reports were speculating that he might even know the Clippers are likely to sign Leonard and that he wouldn't want to leave in part because of that. So at this point, I don't see any evidence that Glen imposed those constraints or that Winger withdrew because of any such constraints.

If Glen is insisting that the new PBO keep Saunders as head coach for a season or two, I can live with that and I don't think that would be enough to cause a PBO prospect to turn the job down. But if Glen is refusing to allow the new PBO to choose his own GM and assistant GMs or is requiring him to keep Layden, I think that would be enough to cause good PBO candidates to say no. It's critical that a PBO have full discretion to build his own front office staff based on what he wants and needs.

No doubt that Glen meddles as do many owners. How much he meddles we don't know. But I think he gives a lot of discretion to his PBOs. He allowed Kahn to do whatever he wanted - including signing Darko. He allowed Flip to do whatever he wanted, including bringing back KG even though Glen and KG dislike each other. He gave Thibodeau free rein to give Gorgui a big contract, sign Gibson and Teague to big contracts and trade for Butler. He actually gave Thibodeau far too much discretion and time throughout the Butler ordeal at the beginning of this past season. Back in the day, Taylor did nothing to stop the illegal Joe Smith deal. If anything, I think Glen doesn't meddle enough as he watches things implode around him, often waiting far too long to make personnel changes.

Don't get me wrong. I agree that Glen Taylor has been a bafoon. I just don't think meddling is his issue. His issue is incredibly poor judgment and an unsophisticated, parochial approach to running the organization. I fear we'll end up with Billups not because Trajan Langdon or others will refuse to accept an offer but because Glen will have a gut or sentimental feeling of some kind that Billups is the guy. Three of the four PBOs Glen has hired since he bought the team had no meaningful NBA front office experience. McHale and Thibodeau had no such experience. Kahn had a brief stint with the Pacers with no evidence of any meaningful contribution while he was there. Only Flip had meaningful front office experience, but it was as a GM for a while under McHale. Flip and McHale were both local sports heroes who Glen was fond of. There's pattern there. He hires PBOs with no front office experience and local sports heroes. Billups anyone?

The more I read about Langdon, the more I'm convinced he'd be a great choice for the Wolves right now. I think Glen could redeem himself by hiring Langdon and allowing him to pick his own front office staff, including GM, and Assistant GMs. But past experience leads me to believe the choice will be Billups. And I'd consider that choice a continuation of Glen's idiocy.

Pretty much every one of Jon Ks reports for the last few months on POBO have implied that Glen wants to keep Ryan and that is likely going to be part of the discussion. There is zero reason to give Glen the benefit of the doubt on anything at this point, he's been the guy on top of the biggest failure in the NBA of the last 15 years and possibly in the running for worst franchise in sports. Putting any condition on personnel for POBO is the definition of meddling, especially from someone with no evidence of any knowledge about basketball.

Lip to dad to your post of Glen's meddling and baffonary I believe he has been given more blame in the Joe Smith thing than anyone else. Reminder he was reported to being the closer on getting Dieng to sign the now ill fated deal. Remember how he wanted Hudson back and McHale wasn't willing to go higher but Glen was?? In general though i do think Glen let's his people do their thing. He also liked to be personally involved with this employees which includes his players. If Glen actually hired the right basketball people to run his team that would be more of an asset instead of a perceived weakness.

Last night I had a dream that the wolves hired someone as GM and the press releases said that Layden and Saunders would report to each other equally. So hey that was fun. I can't remember who they hired to work under Layden but I remember being kinda excited about it and no it was not McHale! lol let's let this process play out a little longer...let's at least let these guys all interview and see where we go before roasting the whole process.

There were also multiple reports that Thibs originally wanted to trade Wiggins for Butler but Glen wouldn't let him

I wonder if

BloopOracle wrote:There were also multiple reports that Thibs originally wanted to trade Wiggins for Butler but Glen wouldn't let him

I would have done that even better if we could have traded him straight up and kept our pick.