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JasonIsDaMan wrote:
Carlos Danger wrote:I think good points are being made on both sides of trading down. There is one recent example of it which I think was successful. 2013 we traded the #9 (Burke) for #14 (Bazz) and #21 (Dieng). While none of those players are stars, we seemed to get better value:

Burke - 5.4 Win Shares/-0.3 VORP
Bazz - 5.0 Win Shares/-1.2 VORP
Dieng - 13 Win Shares/5.5 VORP

I guess it just comes down to where we end up picking and what type of drop off they feel there is later in the draft. That said, I think we are already pretty young...so, adding two more rookies may not be ideal for our specific situation.



Funny story: I was actually against that deal because I was really anti-Bazz at the time. Shows what I know LOL.

Can we change VORP to VONE (Victories over Ndubi Ebi)? That's a young hip reference going out to Q12345 lol. If you'll excuse me, I have to order my selfie-stick from Amazon now.

I think two good rookies and one monster F/A, with any combination being a good PG and two good C's, is just what this team needs.


Yeah...I wasn't a big fan of the trade at that time either. The "safe" route is to just grab Best Player Available. But it turned out okay. And in fact, if you look at that specific draft, all the top players (based on Win Shares) were taken from picks 12 to 27 (Gobert, Plumlee, Greek Freak, Steve Adams and Dieng). Think about it...they could have had Greek Freak and Gobert for Trey Burk. Now if that deal presents itself this year - I say "trade down!".
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Carlos Danger wrote:
JasonIsDaMan wrote:
Carlos Danger wrote:I think good points are being made on both sides of trading down. There is one recent example of it which I think was successful. 2013 we traded the #9 (Burke) for #14 (Bazz) and #21 (Dieng). While none of those players are stars, we seemed to get better value:

Burke - 5.4 Win Shares/-0.3 VORP
Bazz - 5.0 Win Shares/-1.2 VORP
Dieng - 13 Win Shares/5.5 VORP

I guess it just comes down to where we end up picking and what type of drop off they feel there is later in the draft. That said, I think we are already pretty young...so, adding two more rookies may not be ideal for our specific situation.



Funny story: I was actually against that deal because I was really anti-Bazz at the time. Shows what I know LOL.

Can we change VORP to VONE (Victories over Ndubi Ebi)? That's a young hip reference going out to Q12345 lol. If you'll excuse me, I have to order my selfie-stick from Amazon now.

I think two good rookies and one monster F/A, with any combination being a good PG and two good C's, is just what this team needs.


Yeah...I wasn't a big fan of the trade at that time either. The "safe" route is to just grab Best Player Available. But it turned out okay. And in fact, if you look at that specific draft, all the top players (based on Win Shares) were taken from picks 12 to 27 (Gobert, Plumlee, Greek Freak, Steve Adams and Dieng). Think about it...they could have had Greek Freak and Gobert for Trey Burk. Now if that deal presents itself this year - I say "trade down!".


Trey Burke isn't anything special although he played much better this year the Wolves haul was pretty good considering Burke is the guy they are measured against. The Cavs should have traded down too but that was a pretty bad draft. lol
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Carlos Danger wrote:
JasonIsDaMan wrote:
Carlos Danger wrote:I think good points are being made on both sides of trading down. There is one recent example of it which I think was successful. 2013 we traded the #9 (Burke) for #14 (Bazz) and #21 (Dieng). While none of those players are stars, we seemed to get better value:

Burke - 5.4 Win Shares/-0.3 VORP
Bazz - 5.0 Win Shares/-1.2 VORP
Dieng - 13 Win Shares/5.5 VORP

I guess it just comes down to where we end up picking and what type of drop off they feel there is later in the draft. That said, I think we are already pretty young...so, adding two more rookies may not be ideal for our specific situation.



Funny story: I was actually against that deal because I was really anti-Bazz at the time. Shows what I know LOL.

Can we change VORP to VONE (Victories over Ndubi Ebi)? That's a young hip reference going out to Q12345 lol. If you'll excuse me, I have to order my selfie-stick from Amazon now.

I think two good rookies and one monster F/A, with any combination being a good PG and two good C's, is just what this team needs.


Yeah...I wasn't a big fan of the trade at that time either. The "safe" route is to just grab Best Player Available. But it turned out okay. And in fact, if you look at that specific draft, all the top players (based on Win Shares) were taken from picks 12 to 27 (Gobert, Plumlee, Greek Freak, Steve Adams and Dieng). Think about it...they could have had Greek Freak and Gobert for Trey Burk. Now if that deal presents itself this year - I say "trade down!".


Very true. There is no true top two stars in this draft, and getting Gobert makes up for Plato's age.
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If the Wolves get a top two pick I think they should take the best player available and keep him. They have a very nice nucleus, but IMO only KAT is a lock, either or both of Wiggins and Lavine could flame out and the Wolves absolutely must have a couple star quality players to surround KAT with.

The only way I would trade the pick/player is if there was a strong consensus in the front office that neither is likely to become an elite player and they had an opportunity to fleece another team in trade.
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