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Re: Best Thing That Could Happen This Summer
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:53 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
Khan, Ricky is younger than all but Irving. The other guys are older (yeah maybe by less than a year, but Ricky is still second youngest of all the guys you mentioned) and I think Ricky beats most of those guys in plus/minus pretty much every year. I'm happy with Ricky and you are not. Lets just agree to disagree.
Re: Best Thing That Could Happen This Summer
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:57 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
Bloopy, Schroder is not better than Ricky and there aren't 7-9 point guards 28 or under "significantly better" than Ricky. That statement might be as ridiculous as your statement that Thibs deserves to be "coach of the year".
Re: Best Thing That Could Happen This Summer
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:07 pm
by TheFuture
TeamRicky wrote:Bloopy, Schroder is not better than Ricky and there aren't 7-9 point guards 28 or under "significantly better" than Ricky. That statement might be as ridiculous as your statement that Thibs deserves to be "coach of the year".
Hell, on another twolves forum I saw people stating that there are at least 7 pgs in this DRAFT who will be better than Ricky...
We have far greater holes than PG right now. I think most here agree.
I also won't write off a lineup of shifting LaVine to PG and Wiggins to SG when we absolutely need a shot creator at #1.
Re: Best Thing That Could Happen This Summer
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:07 pm
by BloopOracle
TeamRicky wrote:Bloopy, Schroder is not better than Ricky and there aren't 7-9 point guards 28 or under "significantly better" than Ricky. That statement might be as ridiculous as your statement that Thibs deserves to be "coach of the year".
I think you're the only user on this forum who believed I was serious when I said that
Kemba
Lillard
Irving
Bledsoe
Isiah Thomas
Wall
Curry
Harden
Westbrook
wow that was easy!
Re: Best Thing That Could Happen This Summer
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:10 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
TheFuture wrote:TeamRicky wrote:Bloopy, Schroder is not better than Ricky and there aren't 7-9 point guards 28 or under "significantly better" than Ricky. That statement might be as ridiculous as your statement that Thibs deserves to be "coach of the year".
Hell, on another twolves forum I saw people stating that there are at least 7 pgs in this DRAFT who will be better than Ricky...
We have far greater holes than PG right now. I think most here agree.
I also won't write off a lineup of shifting LaVine to PG and Wiggins to SG when we absolutely need a shot creator at #1.
I have read more 7 people say that Jonathan Isaac will be the best player in the draft. I think they are smarter than the Ricky haters.
Re: Best Thing That Could Happen This Summer
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:11 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
BloopOracle wrote:TeamRicky wrote:Bloopy, Schroder is not better than Ricky and there aren't 7-9 point guards 28 or under "significantly better" than Ricky. That statement might be as ridiculous as your statement that Thibs deserves to be "coach of the year".
I think you're the only user on this forum who believed I was serious when I said that
Kemba
Lillard
Irving
Bledsoe
Isiah Thomas
Wall
Curry
Harden
Westbrook
wow that was easy!
I count 2. Only Westbrook and Curry are "significantly better". Harden is not a point guard.
EDIT: Just one guy. I gave you too much credit. Curry doesnt count either since he is over the age threshhold.
Re: Best Thing That Could Happen This Summer
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:12 pm
by TheFuture
khans2k5 wrote:TheFuture wrote:khans2k5 wrote:Win the lottery and draft Fultz. I think in the new NBA you need a PG. Curry, Westbrook, Harden (defacto PG), CP3, Conley, Lillard, Irving, IT, Lowry, Wall. I would guess the Spurs will be the only team to advance without a really good PG. I think we have the wing and the big and we just need the PG and Fultz just seems to be a solid all-around player. Sign Gibson and Tucker to 2 year deals in the 12-15 range. I would give Ricky one more year to place hold and then if he reverts back to his old form see if you can trade him.
Rotation:
Ricky/Fultz/Tyus
Lavine/Dunn
Wiggins/Tucker
Gibson/Belly
Towns/G/Cole
Long-term:
Fultz/Dunn/Tyus
Dunn/Lavine
Wiggins
Belly
Towns/G
Find a 3/4 combo guy for small ball and there's your team. 9 man rotation.
After watching these playoffs I've realized ( outside of scoring at pg but we have debated that here plenty) the last thing we need to spend a large chunk of $ on is a true PF like Gibson. We need one or two combo forwards and a 2/3 who are respectable from 3 and are agile enough to switch on D.
If we need to play big I trust a rotation of Towns, Gorgui, Bjelicia, and Aldrich. I don't trust any rotation we can throw out there for small ball, though either Towns or Gorgui can be the 5 in either style.
I was high on Patterson, but he's not been terribly noticeable for Toronto, definitely moved down a tier for me. Ingles on the other hand is playing phenomenal.
My tiers:
1) Jamychal Green, Iguodala, and Joe Ingles
2) Ibaka and Millsap (tier 2 because 30 mil scares me)
3) James Johnson, Tucker, Sefolosha
4) Patterson, Bojan Bogdanovic, Redick, Korver
5) Carter, Allen, Mirotic, Illyasova
I agree with you long-term, but right now Towns and Dieng just don't provide enough resistance at the rim. Until that happens we need to put some better defenders next to them to help them learn how to play defense properly and then I think we can get that more mobile 4. I'm looking at the long approach, not just trying to plan for next year. That's why the deals I suggested only be 2 year deals. Get them in here to get everyone on board defensively and help us on that end. Then in 2 years when our young players are doing what they should be defensively we can get that missing piece mobile 4. I think Gibson and Tucker are good defensive stop gaps to help us engrain good defensive habits into our young guys. Once our young guys prove they can handle the defensive end of the court we can get better complimentary players.
I think we agree on most aspects. The reason I prefer to focus on filling long term needs is A) money - I can't say we can fill a need in 2-3 years if we are paying LaVine, Wiggins, Towns, Dieng (potebtial trade value though) maybe resigning rubio, and hopefully Dunn.
B) I don't want to take the pressure off of Wiggins and Towns (hopefully LaVine as well) these next 2 years defensively. I want, and our team needs them to realize that we will go as far as they carry us on both ends. I worry that surrounding them with defense now will allow them to steer more focus to offense. Which is not what we need from the core right now.
Re: Best Thing That Could Happen This Summer
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:16 pm
by TheFuture
TeamRicky wrote:BloopOracle wrote:TeamRicky wrote:Bloopy, Schroder is not better than Ricky and there aren't 7-9 point guards 28 or under "significantly better" than Ricky. That statement might be as ridiculous as your statement that Thibs deserves to be "coach of the year".
I think you're the only user on this forum who believed I was serious when I said that
Kemba
Lillard
Irving
Bledsoe
Isiah Thomas
Wall
Curry
Harden
Westbrook
wow that was easy!
I count 2. Only Westbrook and Curry are "significantly better". Harden is not a point guard.
Oh come on Ricky. Remember, my name use to be Rubioooo. I love him as much as the next. Harden is a PG now, and a top one. I doubt youll find many who wouldn't trade rubio for harden, wall, Irving, lillard, kemba.
I'll give you Thomas and bledsoe. Thomas will decline fast in this league and is too easy to take advantage of in the POs. And Bledsoe seems to ride the pine due to injury too often. Outside of those two you're being quite the homer.
Re: Best Thing That Could Happen This Summer
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:22 pm
by Monster
I'll give Team Ricky this if the reason he doesn't want to draft Fultz #1 is he really bleives there are players that will be better than him I can respect that stand. I haven't rad up on Flutz much to be honest because its highly unlikely that we have a shot at him so...eh but I will end up checking him out to compare him to the other top PGs in the draft.
I also would say that asking Rubio to carry this team to the playoffs is asking a bit too much but its a reasonable thing to counter with if Rubio is supposedly as good or nearly as good as the other guys mentioned. Anywho fun times.
Also the best thing that could happen this summer is...man you could come up with all kinds of fun things with varying degrees of realistic chances of happening. =)
Re: Best Thing That Could Happen This Summer
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:26 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
Q12543 wrote:You don't HAVE to have a PG that is an elite scorer/playmaker to make a deep playoff run. However, you need someone who can perform this role. In fact, the bigger, the better. I'd much rather have a wing play this role than a PG. The Jordan/Kobe/LeBron/Wade's of the world have won a lot of rings. We're now seeing Kawhi Leonard blossom into the next elite play making/scoring wing.
The reason Thibs experimented so heavily with "point Wiggins" sets is because he knows a 6'8 uber athlete going down hill is far more dangerous than a 6'2 point guard. The issue with Wiggins is that he has a really long ways to go to become a better ball handler and play maker.
Wiggins will never be as good as the guys you mentioned from a playmaking standpoint. He'll get better, but not enough to the point that he's gonna be a point wing. His handle and playmaking just seem way too far behind where a typical good playmaker starts from for me to believe he's going to be a good option as a point forward. 6'2-6'4 guards still dominate the league offensively. You don't need to be 6'8 to do it at an elite level.