Brooklyn_Wolves wrote:If Wiggins and his bad hands dropped and a pasta plate on my shirt I would sue that shithole of a place.
But seriously, that's a bad analogy.
It's a real world analogy. If things were the same in any other industry, the employees would be at fault and more than likely replaced. The only reason you would disagree with that is because you allow emotions to alter your point of view.
Give me a break, you're comparing replacing NBA athletes and replacing freaking waiters and dishwashers.
why is it a bad analogy though? just because he dumbed it down doesn't make it incorrect
Brooklyn_Wolves wrote:Yeah, what happens if KAT tells the coach to F off at some point and his agent tells Taylor that they're not looking forward to staying in Minny as is. What happens?
Keep in mind that KAT is probably talking to KG regularly and KG isn't exactly BFF with Thibs and Papa Glenn.
That second line is just unbelievable speculation. Also, Towns is here for 6 more years after this one minimum whether he likes it or not. Players on rookie deals have 0 leverage to do anything about it. Thibs can just tell him to shut the fuck up and get in line if he's going to be a diva and there's nothing Towns can do about it.
Huh? you don't believe that KG isn't good friends with Taylor and Thibs? Is it what you're saying? Or that KAT and KG didn't built a very tight relationship?
And it's players league. Players and agents have a ton of leverage. Coaches that lose support of the main players on a team and end up being fired all the time. Freaking Deron ran out Jerry Sloan out of Utah. Harden undermined McHale and he was gone. Dwight ran Stan out of town. Do you think Taylor would risk a war with Towns and his agent, a move that can damage the valuation this team, because of a freaking coach? Towns probably adds at least 100 mil to the net worth of this franchise.
Brooklyn_Wolves wrote:If Wiggins and his bad hands dropped and a pasta plate on my shirt I would sue that shithole of a place.
But seriously, that's a bad analogy.
It's a real world analogy. If things were the same in any other industry, the employees would be at fault and more than likely replaced. The only reason you would disagree with that is because you allow emotions to alter your point of view.
Give me a break, you're comparing replacing NBA athletes and replacing freaking waiters and dishwashers.
No, I'm talking about the basic relationship between management and employees. Essentially, that's what NBA players are [employees], though they're thought of differently because of their overall popularity. All I did was use a much more common setting.
Brooklyn_Wolves wrote:Yeah, what happens if KAT tells the coach to F off at some point and his agent tells Taylor that they're not looking forward to staying in Minny as is. What happens?
Keep in mind that KAT is probably talking to KG regularly and KG isn't exactly BFF with Thibs and Papa Glenn.
That second line is just unbelievable speculation. Also, Towns is here for 6 more years after this one minimum whether he likes it or not. Players on rookie deals have 0 leverage to do anything about it. Thibs can just tell him to shut the fuck up and get in line if he's going to be a diva and there's nothing Towns can do about it.
Huh? you don't believe that KG isn't good friends with Taylor and Thibs? Is it what you're saying? Or that KAT and KG didn't built a very tight relationship?
And it's players league. Players and agents have a ton of leverage. Coaches that lose support of the main players on a team and end up being fired all the time. Freaking Deron ran out Jerry Sloan out of Utah. Harden undermined McHale and he was gone. Dwight ran Stan out of town. Do you think Taylor would risk a war with Towns and his agent, a move that can damage the valuation this team, because of a freaking coach? Towns probably adds at least 100 mil to the net worth of this franchise.
1. I don't believe Towns and KG are texting buddies. KG is 40 and Towns is 20.
2. Thibs is the POBO, not just the coach. He is the organization right now so I don't think he's going to fire himself just because Towns and his agent don't like him. Who's the last star rookie to force himself out during his rookie deal or RFA summer? Gordon did everything he could to not have to stay in NO and go to PHX and guess what happened? NO said we don't give a shit what you want, you're staying here. Same thing will happen with Towns if he wants to go that route. Restricted FA's have 0 leverage because they risk major career earnings if they settle on the 1 year deal when they have 100 million sitting on the table. It just doesn't happen when max money is on the table.
Camden wrote:Q, let's say you're the new manager at an Olive Garden. You're the top dog, basically. You've been in the restaurant business for 20+ years. You've held different roles in different restaurants and everywhere you go, that particular business gets better -- more successful -- and part of that is because of your involvement. You just left IHOP after being one of the most profitable restaurants in the region for years to take on even more responsibility for a different franchise.
This Olive Garden you joined has struggled to succeed for decades, but they recently hired employees currently still in high school. These employees are quite smart, very personable, and physically capable of doing anything within the food industry. The only problem is that this is their first real job. They have little to no experience in the workplace.
You let them know their roles and responsibilities in order to create a successful work environment and a profitable store. Again, this isn't your first time. You know what it takes. You've been there, done that. Here's the problem: your immature, inexperienced employees aren't following instructions through your first couple of months. The restaurant is directly being affected by their mishaps and you're not profiting like you're used to.
Why would you, the manager, change your plan? You don't even know if the plan you put in place is the actual problem because your employees fail to comply and execute it! Also, why aren't they instead held accountable, and if they continue to come up short, shouldn't they be under consideration to be replaced by those who will actually do what you ask of them?
Creative analogy, but you wrote it with the premise that I was implicating Thibs (i.e. the new manager) in this case. But you finally started to get at an answer in that last paragraph.
So, back to my question. Thibs isn't going anywhere and he's not changing his ways - I get that. So IF this team flounders the rest of the year, what would you do this offseason?
Camden wrote:Q, let's say you're the new manager at an Olive Garden. You're the top dog, basically. You've been in the restaurant business for 20+ years. You've held different roles in different restaurants and everywhere you go, that particular business gets better -- more successful -- and part of that is because of your involvement. You just left IHOP after being one of the most profitable restaurants in the region for years to take on even more responsibility for a different franchise.
This Olive Garden you joined has struggled to succeed for decades, but they recently hired employees currently still in high school. These employees are quite smart, very personable, and physically capable of doing anything within the food industry. The only problem is that this is their first real job. They have little to no experience in the workplace.
You let them know their roles and responsibilities in order to create a successful work environment and a profitable store. Again, this isn't your first time. You know what it takes. You've been there, done that. Here's the problem: your immature, inexperienced employees aren't following instructions through your first couple of months. The restaurant is directly being affected by their mishaps and you're not profiting like you're used to.
Why would you, the manager, change your plan? You don't even know if the plan you put in place is the actual problem because your employees fail to comply and execute it! Also, why aren't they instead held accountable, and if they continue to come up short, shouldn't they be under consideration to be replaced by those who will actually do what you ask of them?
Creative analogy, but you wrote it with the premise that I was implicating Thibs (i.e. the new manager) in this case. But you finally started to get at an answer in that last paragraph.
So, back to my question. Thibs isn't going anywhere and he's not changing his ways - I get that. So IF this team flounders the rest of the year, what would you do this offseason?
The same thing I wanted us to do this past off-season. Be aggressive in free agency and trades in search of productive veteran players. The only "problem" is that our cap situation is less easier to deal with this summer compared to last. As we know, however, pieces can always be rearranged in order to complete the puzzle, or get a certain deal done.
Firing Thibs isn't an option. In a public debate, Thibs vs. Glen and the Wolves, Thibs will win every time. If you run Thibs out of here, you think it's hard convincing players to sign? Nobody's gonna wanna take a GM /coaching gig here, and since the contract is enormous, Glen will be super cheap on the next guy. Whatever goodwill was being built would collapse completely.
