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Seriously - If Jones can't beat out Pablo he is a bust. Pablo is 38 and never averaged more then 5 points a game. The bar is set low for Jones but this might be way to low. I would rather have Shved back then Pablo on this team. Christ this is like saying Troy Hudson might have some game left.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/prigipa01.html

Q12543 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:I prefer to do as the Spurs do and they consistently had 3 PG's while they developed Corey Joseph. Then when Parker would inevitably miss games they would start Joseph and keep the backup in his normal role like we did with Mo and Zach last year initially. Then if Jones doesn't have it you can have him come off the bench and let the vet backup play with the starting unit. Joseph was brought along slowly, but still got playing time to develop whenever Parker wouldn't play. What if Ricky only misses 20 games? We shouldn't mail in a season playing Tyus and Lavine at PG in those 20 games. The PG stirs the drink so relying on guys who aren't ready affects everyone, not just that player.

I agree with everything you say here. However, it's a little ironic that you cite Corey Joseph as an example of patient development when you have insisted previously that young players can't develop without getting 20+ MPG.

BTW, Corey Joseph has yet to average 20 MPG in any of his four NBA seasons and didn't even play over 1,000 minutes until last season.

When guys have the physical makeup of an NBA player and are lottery picks, then yes they should be playing 20+ MPG's because I think guys learn more by doing than watching from the sidelines. Tyus was taken 24th and isn't physically ready for the NBA. He also plays the position that the other 4 guys on the court heavily depend on to be effective on offense. I think guys like Lavine and Bennett and Payne all have the physical tools to play in the league right away and they need to improve their IQ which is done best by playing in my opinion and not mostly watching. It's also a confidence thing to play more than 20 MPG's and be allowed to get into your rhythm.

Not everyone's game is best suited to come off the bench for spot minutes. Guys who have always known when to pick their spots like Tyus make good bench players because they have existed for large chunks of games without their team needing them to be the guy. Guys like Bennett and Payne couldn't be secondary pieces at UNLV and Michigan St so they don't come into the league knowing how to exist as a second, third or fourth option. That's why it's always shot first and continue the flow of the offense second. They don't know how to exist without the ball which takes time. That's why they float and generally look out of place on the court.

Back to the MPG point, if we would have ended up with any of the other PG's like Grant or Wright I would have been fine playing them right away because I believe Tyus was the only freshmen PG of the bunch and the others had more college experience and more developed frames to handle the NBA. Tyus has the IQ, but he's not physically ready yet. Maybe the IQ is enough for him to be passable, but I think I'd rather he be the emergency backup just this year and give him an off season to improve his physical makeup the best he can and he can be our backup PG starting next year and onward.

Not a fan of signing Prigioni. Would prefer Luke Ridnour............

KiwiMatt wrote:Not a fan of signing Prigioni. Would prefer Luke Ridnour............

AMEN

bleedspeed177 wrote:Seriously - If Jones can't beat out Pablo he is a bust. Pablo is 38 and never averaged more then 5 points a game. The bar is set low for Jones but this might be way to low. I would rather have Shved back then Pablo on this team. Christ this is like saying Troy Hudson might have some game left.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/prigipa01.html

Maybe I am nitpicking your hyperbole but you want a combo guard in Shved who has the career shooting percentages of Rubio? I'll take the guy with good shooting percentages on the shots he takes (especially from 3) that also has a high steal rate. I've seen both these guys play I'd take Pablo as a bench guy over Shved without much thought.

Also just to be clear I am not saying Pablo is always going to get minutes I would hope Tyus gets his shot at backup play but it might be nice to have a vet you know what you get out of them. Of course Brown might give you enough of that even this year so maybe just roll with him. I think some people just assume Pablo sucks because he is old and doesn't score. I used to think that too before I watched him play a few times.

Monster - I am thinking the vet would be our insurance plan if Rubio goes down or Jones can't give you 12-18 minutes a night when Rubio is healthy.

So I would want someone that can play at least have a game regularly if needed due to injury. Ridnour would be my choice, but Alexey was more then respectable with the Knicks last year for 20 games when he played more then 28 minutes a night and shot 37% on 3's.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shvedal01.html

Since Houston relied last year Prigioni to play 17 minutes per game in playoffs, then I don't see that it would be problem for Wolves to rely him playing some minutes as backup of Rubio next year. He had still last year pretty good TS% and assists TO ratio.

bleedspeed177 wrote:Monster - I am thinking the vet would be our insurance plan if Rubio goes down or Jones can't give you 12-18 minutes a night when Rubio is healthy.

So I would want someone that can play at least have a game regularly if needed due to injury. Ridnour would be my choice, but Alexey was more then respectable with the Knicks last year for 20 games when he played more then 28 minutes a night and shot 37% on 3's.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shvedal01.html

Shved was pretty effective last year for Knicks when he finally started to get minutes. He made nice service to Wolves when he almost single handily won some games for tanking Knicks. He had actually over 20 PER for Knicks. After that Knicks decided to not play him in rest of the games.

He signed already contract with Russian Euroleague team, so I guess he is not going to play in NBA next season.

Mikkeman wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Monster - I am thinking the vet would be our insurance plan if Rubio goes down or Jones can't give you 12-18 minutes a night when Rubio is healthy.

So I would want someone that can play at least have a game regularly if needed due to injury. Ridnour would be my choice, but Alexey was more then respectable with the Knicks last year for 20 games when he played more then 28 minutes a night and shot 37% on 3's.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shvedal01.html

Shved was pretty effective last year for Knicks when he finally started to get minutes. He made nice service to Wolves when he almost single handily won some games for tanking Knicks. He had actually over 20 PER for Knicks. After that Knicks decided to not play him in rest of the games.

He signed already contract with Russian Euroleague team, so I guess he is not going to play in NBA next season.

Ok I see where you guys are coming from but 16 games is a pretty small sample and I know he had some good games for the Knicks. It sounded like they wanted him back and I think there was probably other teams that would have been interested. Shved has size and talent it just didn't come together in the NBA. Going back overseas was probably the right move for him. He seems to me like a guy that's really only going to be any good if he gets somewhere around 30mpg. In limited minutes it wasn't good.

Kendall Marshall intrigues me. Still only 23 years old.

Good passer, respectable shooter and adequate defender.