worldK wrote:Lip, you and I remain the only guys willing to give up covington to get a better player/prospect.
I make my argument that covington was our best bet in pairing up with teague to shed the needed salary and get scoffed at.any here thinks teague has more value than he does and covington is untouchable.
I like covington But you just set out the reasons why he should not be viewed as a untouchable core piece. We dont have much positive assets and in the nba, you cant expect to dupe teams into 1 sided deals that only benefits yourself.
See Covington now looks like a piece worth trading, but that's because I think they're gonna be awful for the next 3 years unless he has the Midas touch at the draft, and it might not be enough for Towns to buy in.
By trading RoCo, you've guaranteed you won't shoot threes or play defense.
I was cool trading cov also. I will say Cov value shouldn't diminish assuming no big injury again.
It's all hindsight now, I would like to have Cov if we got Russell but we didn't get Russell so I wish we traded cov. Hindsight there from me
Here's my thing on RoCo besides what he brings (and part of why I loved the Culver draft pick)
The last thing this team needs is to make Wiggins feel important. This team gave Wiggins the keys to a Ferrari and he decided he wanted to drive it with his feet on the steering wheel. By trading Covington, by default Wiggins will be the most needed player on the team, regardless of what Towns and perhaps Garland would do. If they can't get rid of Wiggins, the easy solution towards doing something about Wiggins is to make Wiggins realize he's not needed here and the way to show that is by not playing him so much. Trading Covington means they have no PF at all outside of KBD and a two way guy in Reid and it means they have to lean extra hard on extended PT from Wiggins. He needs to earn his spot. Getting rid of Covington enables him more to be what he is.
crazysauce wrote:You dont trade Covington to get rid of Teague cause Teague is an expiring and we are not competing this year.. If nobody wants him then you play out year and have the cap space. If it has to be done to get rid of Wiggins on the other hand.... We need to rid ourself of him in the worst way. Need to sit back and accumulate assets and wait again. Back to being depressed about this season.
I keep hearing that we can get cap room once teagues contract expire next season. Were on the books for towns and wig's max deal and dieng 16m. We have rookie deals and roster spots that needs to be filled,unless you can fill them up with 1 year deals. Teague and his 19m doesnt really offer better value a year from now that it is currently. If its not clear for you still, trague has not much balue around the league now that you can just dump him.
worldK wrote:Lip, you and I remain the only guys willing to give up covington to get a better player/prospect.
I make my argument that covington was our best bet in pairing up with teague to shed the needed salary and get scoffed at.any here thinks teague has more value than he does and covington is untouchable.
I like covington But you just set out the reasons why he should not be viewed as a untouchable core piece. We dont have much positive assets and in the nba, you cant expect to dupe teams into 1 sided deals that only benefits yourself.
See Covington now looks like a piece worth trading, but that's because I think they're gonna be awful for the next 3 years unless he has the Midas touch at the draft, and it might not be enough for Towns to buy in.
By trading RoCo, you've guaranteed you won't shoot threes or play defense.
I was cool trading cov also. I will say Cov value shouldn't diminish assuming no big injury again.
It's all hindsight now, I would like to have Cov if we got Russell but we didn't get Russell so I wish we traded cov. Hindsight there from me
Here's my thing on RoCo besides what he brings (and part of why I loved the Culver draft pick)
The last thing this team needs is to make Wiggins feel important. This team gave Wiggins the keys to a Ferrari and he decided he wanted to drive it with his feet on the steering wheel. By trading Covington, by default Wiggins will be the most needed player on the team, regardless of what Towns and perhaps Garland would do. If they can't get rid of Wiggins, the easy solution towards doing something about Wiggins is to make Wiggins realize he's not needed here and the way to show that is by not playing him so much. Trading Covington means they have no PF at all outside of KBD and a two way guy in Reid and it means they have to lean extra hard on extended PT from Wiggins. He needs to earn his spot. Getting rid of Covington enables him more to be what he is.
So everything revolves around wig now? Not trading players is for the reason as to not empower wig to think he is important and to earn his minutes? Is this how an nba franchise would be run by you if ever your blessed to be in that position?
I said it at the time the best Jimmy trade was with the rockets for Eric Gordon, Tucker and 4 1st.
We would have approx. 40 mill coming off the books next year (also Gordon and tucker could of had value) and 11 1st round picks total in the next 7 years.
I get thibs had to save his job but this was obviously the best move and we only have Cov and Culver to show for it
Meh. It's not the end of the world. Personally I don't think DLo is worth what he got paid. I was expecting 4 years 100 mil. It might not be a bad thing sitting put and watching all the other teams pay out this off season.
As for Rosa, I feel the criticism towards him is a bit premature. The guys been in to job only a couple of months and didn't exactly get handed a full house. Thibs overpaid Wiggins and Dieng and now we have to live with it. Even with DLO we'd still be fighting to even make the playoffs. Teagues contract will become a real asset come trade deadline for a team trying to clear cap space and/or gain a decent guard with playoff experience.
Everyone step back from the ledge and let the smoke clear.
worldK wrote:Lip, you and I remain the only guys willing to give up covington to get a better player/prospect.
I make my argument that covington was our best bet in pairing up with teague to shed the needed salary and get scoffed at.any here thinks teague has more value than he does and covington is untouchable.
I like covington But you just set out the reasons why he should not be viewed as a untouchable core piece. We dont have much positive assets and in the nba, you cant expect to dupe teams into 1 sided deals that only benefits yourself.
See Covington now looks like a piece worth trading, but that's because I think they're gonna be awful for the next 3 years unless he has the Midas touch at the draft, and it might not be enough for Towns to buy in.
By trading RoCo, you've guaranteed you won't shoot threes or play defense.
I was cool trading cov also. I will say Cov value shouldn't diminish assuming no big injury again.
It's all hindsight now, I would like to have Cov if we got Russell but we didn't get Russell so I wish we traded cov. Hindsight there from me
Here's my thing on RoCo besides what he brings (and part of why I loved the Culver draft pick)
The last thing this team needs is to make Wiggins feel important. This team gave Wiggins the keys to a Ferrari and he decided he wanted to drive it with his feet on the steering wheel. By trading Covington, by default Wiggins will be the most needed player on the team, regardless of what Towns and perhaps Garland would do. If they can't get rid of Wiggins, the easy solution towards doing something about Wiggins is to make Wiggins realize he's not needed here and the way to show that is by not playing him so much. Trading Covington means they have no PF at all outside of KBD and a two way guy in Reid and it means they have to lean extra hard on extended PT from Wiggins. He needs to earn his spot. Getting rid of Covington enables him more to be what he is.
So everything revolves around wig now? Not trading players is for the reason as to not empower wig to think he is important and to earn his minutes? Is this how an nba franchise would be run by you if ever your blessed to be in that position?
Huh?
I'm saying if you moved RoCo, all you have at the forward spot is basically Wiggins. This team can't keep betting everything on someone who will keep failing for them. They can't get rid of him now. All they can do is limit how much time he can spend on the court hurting this team.
worldK wrote:Lip, you and I remain the only guys willing to give up covington to get a better player/prospect.
I make my argument that covington was our best bet in pairing up with teague to shed the needed salary and get scoffed at.any here thinks teague has more value than he does and covington is untouchable.
I like covington But you just set out the reasons why he should not be viewed as a untouchable core piece. We dont have much positive assets and in the nba, you cant expect to dupe teams into 1 sided deals that only benefits yourself.
See Covington now looks like a piece worth trading, but that's because I think they're gonna be awful for the next 3 years unless he has the Midas touch at the draft, and it might not be enough for Towns to buy in.
By trading RoCo, you've guaranteed you won't shoot threes or play defense.
I was cool trading cov also. I will say Cov value shouldn't diminish assuming no big injury again.
It's all hindsight now, I would like to have Cov if we got Russell but we didn't get Russell so I wish we traded cov. Hindsight there from me
Here's my thing on RoCo besides what he brings (and part of why I loved the Culver draft pick)
The last thing this team needs is to make Wiggins feel important. This team gave Wiggins the keys to a Ferrari and he decided he wanted to drive it with his feet on the steering wheel. By trading Covington, by default Wiggins will be the most needed player on the team, regardless of what Towns and perhaps Garland would do. If they can't get rid of Wiggins, the easy solution towards doing something about Wiggins is to make Wiggins realize he's not needed here and the way to show that is by not playing him so much. Trading Covington means they have no PF at all outside of KBD and a two way guy in Reid and it means they have to lean extra hard on extended PT from Wiggins. He needs to earn his spot. Getting rid of Covington enables him more to be what he is.
So everything revolves around wig now? Not trading players is for the reason as to not empower wig to think he is important and to earn his minutes? Is this how an nba franchise would be run by you if ever your blessed to be in that position?
Huh?
I'm saying if you moved RoCo, all you have at the forward spot is basically Wiggins. This team can't keep betting everything on someone who will keep failing for them. They can't get rid of him now. All they can do is limit how much time he can spend on the court hurting this team.
So your saying dont move cov because you will be left with wiggins. As long as you cant dump wig then hold onto covington to keep wiggins in check. Okay
As I've said many times, this team's priority should be accumulating assets in the form of draft picks and young highside players. Trading Wiggins isn't the key. You don't build your core via free agency. You use free agency primarily to put the finishing touches on your roster. You build your core like the Warriors, Nuggets, Trail Blazers, Celtics, Sixers and Nets. They all build solid playoff cores before embarking on big scores in free agency or trades. The cap room from trading Wiggins would be half the cap room the Knicks had this summer and what do they have to show for it? It's even worse that the Wolves would have probably needed to give up young talent or future picks to unload Wiggins. The Lakers pulled off a big trade for AD using talented young playes and draft picks they had accumulated. Note that the Lakers have come up empty in spite of their $30 million in cap space.
This team will go nowhere unless it's front office realizes that they can't get out of their current predicament unless they're willing to take a step back in order to take multiple steps forward. Rosas' first mistake was on draft night when he passed on giving up Covington for Garland and then declined to trade the 6th pick for what could have been two lower 1st round picks. He should have done one or the other. He he saw Damian Lillard potential in Garland, then he should have parted with Covington and used Saric in another deal. Otherwise, he should have ended up with two 1st round picks in a relatively flat draft after the top 4, maximizing the Wolves chances of landing a gem. If we ended up in next year's lottery so be it.
That's my view. You're either all in on building for the future or you're not. I like Covington a lot, but if you want to aim high then he's the sort of player you have to be willing to deal - either for Garland in my view or to clear cap space to sign Russell. Maybe that wasn't possible, but I'd be surprised if we couldn't have paired Covington with Teague in a deal for the cap space needed to sign Russell.
