Tyus Jones agrees to a deal with the Grizzlies (wolves can match)

[bleedspeed]

When do we lose the honor to match his contract?

[Lipoli390]

I don't think Rosas had any intent to sign Tyus except perhaps as a last signing to a very cheap deal. Otherwise, I suspect the Wolves could have negotiated a reasonable contract of 4 years at around $6 million per year - a slight home-town discount over what he got from Memphis. Tyus is from here, his family goes to almost every game, his mom has cancer and he loves Saunders. Tyus's agent said that he negotiated in good faith but didn't get any traction with the Wolves. That tells me the Wolves were low-balling, which is what you do when you're not particularly interested in re-signing a player. So again, I don't think Tyus fit the Rosas plan. Therefore, I don't think the Wolves are even considering the possibility of matching.

[kekgeek]

I don't think Rosas had any intent to sign Tyus except perhaps as a last signing to a very cheap deal. Otherwise, I suspect the Wolves could have negotiated a reasonable contract of 4 years at around $6 million per year - a slight home-town discount over what he got from Memphis. Tyus is from here, his family goes to almost every game, his mom has cancer and he loves Saunders. Tyus's agent said that he negotiated in good faith but didn't get any traction with the Wolves. That tells me the Wolves were low-balling, which is what you do when you're not particularly interested in re-signing a player. So again, I don't think Tyus fit the Rosas plan. Therefore, I don't think the Wolves are even considering the possibility of matching.

I think there was reports we offered 4 years 24 mil for tyus so 6 mil a year

[Lipoli390]

I don't think Rosas had any intent to sign Tyus except perhaps as a last signing to a very cheap deal. Otherwise, I suspect the Wolves could have negotiated a reasonable contract of 4 years at around $6 million per year - a slight home-town discount over what he got from Memphis. Tyus is from here, his family goes to almost every game, his mom has cancer and he loves Saunders. Tyus's agent said that he negotiated in good faith but didn't get any traction with the Wolves. That tells me the Wolves were low-balling, which is what you do when you're not particularly interested in re-signing a player. So again, I don't think Tyus fit the Rosas plan. Therefore, I don't think the Wolves are even considering the possibility of matching.

I think there was reports we offered 4 years 24 mil for tyus so 6 mil a year

I didn't see that report. If it's true, it was a fair and reasonable offer. Apparently Tyus preferred to leave his home town for an extra $4-5 million as a sure backup to the Grizzlies prize draft choice who will undoubtedly be their starting PG.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Yeah, I think Rosas probably was fine with Tyus and wouldn't consider our offer a "low ball" one, but just didn't see him worth as much as Memphis offered. It is what it is. I am a big Tyus fan, but he took a bit of a step back last year after a couple nice seasons of steady improvement.

[kekgeek]

I don't think Rosas had any intent to sign Tyus except perhaps as a last signing to a very cheap deal. Otherwise, I suspect the Wolves could have negotiated a reasonable contract of 4 years at around $6 million per year - a slight home-town discount over what he got from Memphis. Tyus is from here, his family goes to almost every game, his mom has cancer and he loves Saunders. Tyus's agent said that he negotiated in good faith but didn't get any traction with the Wolves. That tells me the Wolves were low-balling, which is what you do when you're not particularly interested in re-signing a player. So again, I don't think Tyus fit the Rosas plan. Therefore, I don't think the Wolves are even considering the possibility of matching.

I think there was reports we offered 4 years 24 mil for tyus so 6 mil a year

I didn't see that report. If it's true, it was a fair and reasonable offer. Apparently Tyus preferred to leave his home town for an extra $4-5 million as a sure backup to the Grizzlies prize draft choice who will undoubtedly be their starting PG.

I apologize, he was looking for a 4 year 25 million contract. Don't know if the wolves offered that.

Also I don't blame tyus for accepting the offer. This could be his biggest contract of his career

[Monster]

I don't think Rosas had any intent to sign Tyus except perhaps as a last signing to a very cheap deal. Otherwise, I suspect the Wolves could have negotiated a reasonable contract of 4 years at around $6 million per year - a slight home-town discount over what he got from Memphis. Tyus is from here, his family goes to almost every game, his mom has cancer and he loves Saunders. Tyus's agent said that he negotiated in good faith but didn't get any traction with the Wolves. That tells me the Wolves were low-balling, which is what you do when you're not particularly interested in re-signing a player. So again, I don't think Tyus fit the Rosas plan. Therefore, I don't think the Wolves are even considering the possibility of matching.

I think there was reports we offered 4 years 24 mil for tyus so 6 mil a year

I didn't see that report. If it's true, it was a fair and reasonable offer. Apparently Tyus preferred to leave his home town for an extra $4-5 million as a sure backup to the Grizzlies prize draft choice who will undoubtedly be their starting PG.

FWIW Wolfson said the Wolves never made a long term offer.

Dane Moore said that what he heard was Tyus was going into FA thinking something along the lines of 4 years 25 million. He noted the backup market heated up. Rubio got 3 years 51 million!!!!! Dane thinks Tyus expectations for salary likely went up and to some extent understandably so.

Was Tyus not in the Wolves plans? Idk where they really not interested in signing him or were they thinking he might get an offer they couldn't match? Did waiting for Russell hurt them somewhat? I bet it did if the wanted to bring Tyus back. No Russell in the picture maybe they sign something more quickly before things got out of hand. In terms of the league Marc Stein reported the Pacers were locked into Rubio and then Mirotic decided to go to Europe. That was the Jazz's guy. They went after bogdonvich which made the Pacers change course from Rubio to get Brogdon (needed more shooting scoring) which then the Suns got Rubio. That along with the Kings spending low end starter money on Joseph certainly made it look like 5-6 million a year for Tyus look like a bargain...this offseason.

Were the reports of the Wolves looking at other PGs because they didn't want Tyus back? Checking to see what the market was? Looking for a bargain deal? Were they hoping a big deal for Tyus never would come? Idk We will know the outcome of Tyus at least whether they match soon enough.

To me I see 2 things how this played out so far:

1. It's possible they missed out on a chance to get Tyus for a value deal by not signing him sooner.

2. If the price went up substantially and they held firm that's good. It kinda sorta feels like 2016 when all those bigs got paid and we ended up paying Dieng too much money. Is Kris Dunn or whoever worthwhile and available gonna get mid-level type money next year? I thought the contract Delly signed a couple years was about market value. Nope it ended up a negative contract. Tyus might end up with a positive contract but I would be worried about it becoming one if he is just a solid backup. If the incentives that take it to 28 million are basically bogus and he is really more of 3 years 24 or 25 million if we surprise and match that would sure be a bit more palatable. I'd still decline and find another option and live with the results. Right now I'd take FVV over Tyus every day of the week and he was an undrafted FA.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Maybe they see Napier as a close-enough, undersized backup PG.

Personally, I think Napier is a glorified/better Bayless than a Tyus Jones type. But I can see why the Wolves would dig his ability to come in gunning away from deep over the more steady, methodical (and more expensive) Jones.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

Maybe they see Napier as a close-enough, undersized backup PG.

Personally, I think Napier is a glorified/better Bayless than a Tyus Jones type. But I can see why the Wolves would dig his ability to come in gunning away from deep over the more steady, methodical (and more expensive) Jones.

Yeah, Napier seems to be more of a scoring PG, which we actually kind of need in the sense that we have very few guys capable of handling the ball and making plays and shots. Granted, he doesn't do it at a high level, but given his price, he's not a bad fit. And this is coming from a huge Tyus fan!

[Monster]

Maybe they see Napier as a close-enough, undersized backup PG.

Personally, I think Napier is a glorified/better Bayless than a Tyus Jones type. But I can see why the Wolves would dig his ability to come in gunning away from deep over the more steady, methodical (and more expensive) Jones.

Yeah, Napier seems to be more of a scoring PG, which we actually kind of need in the sense that we have very few guys capable of handling the ball and making plays and shots. Granted, he doesn't do it at a high level, but given his price, he's not a bad fit. And this is coming from a huge Tyus fan!

At one point in his career Bayless was probably some sort of decent bench player. Last year he had a bit of a run that was nice after being not god but then he fell off and it was hard. The CARMELO numbers had him finishing at a -6.0 player and therefore worth nearly a negative 10 million in salary and he only played 657 mins. Napier on the other hand has had 2 season in a row where they consider him a positive player worth a nice few million in the positive column. It's not a perfect metric but I think Bayless is pretty much done (injuries and just not playing and age caught up to him) and Napier has game left. Also a few metrics and things I have read say he is not a poor defender. That goes a long way as a backup.

I know you are all curious so here are the values 538 CARMELO numbers have put on Jamal Crawford the past 3 seasons.

2017 -10 million
2018 -14 million
2019 -20 million -6.2 rating

Just to be clear those are all negative numbers.

So...that's how bad Bayless was for the Wolves last season. And yes Tyus on a down year was still worth a solid positive amount of money by their metric. Their outlook for him is still quite high.