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khans2k5 wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:My big concern with giving Wiggins an extension at all let alone now is that if you're Wiggins, you've gotten this fat half-assing it. Now you're gonna get a 5 year and everyone's slurping you saying you're a cornerstone piece even though you haven't put in the work. If you're him, what incentive does he have to make these massive growths in his game? He's been handled with kid gloves this entire time. When Sam Mitchell tried to yell at him, he tuned him out and Sam had to approach him like a bear. I just hope he finds a reason to get better from within because all this team has done since he's been here is effectively "what you've done to date has been awesome" when it hasn't.

Well then he gets dealt for a huge trade package because Butler and Gibson won't put up with that shit. So worst case you get a bunch of assets from a team looking to add a potential all-star talent to their roster and don't have the cap space or market to do so. He has rare scoring numbers for a guy his age. Someone will pony up if it really comes to it, which I firmly believe it won't.

Betting on someone else to relinquish you of your bad decisions is a mistake. We should take all the necessary time before extending Wiggins. Do I want him extended? Yes. Should it happen anytime before it becomes a necessity? No.

TheFuture wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:My big concern with giving Wiggins an extension at all let alone now is that if you're Wiggins, you've gotten this fat half-assing it. Now you're gonna get a 5 year and everyone's slurping you saying you're a cornerstone piece even though you haven't put in the work. If you're him, what incentive does he have to make these massive growths in his game? He's been handled with kid gloves this entire time. When Sam Mitchell tried to yell at him, he tuned him out and Sam had to approach him like a bear. I just hope he finds a reason to get better from within because all this team has done since he's been here is effectively "what you've done to date has been awesome" when it hasn't.

Well then he gets dealt for a huge trade package because Butler and Gibson won't put up with that shit. So worst case you get a bunch of assets from a team looking to add a potential all-star talent to their roster and don't have the cap space or market to do so. He has rare scoring numbers for a guy his age. Someone will pony up if it really comes to it, which I firmly believe it won't.

Betting on someone else to relinquish you of your bad decisions is a mistake. We should take all the necessary time before extending Wiggins. Do I want him extended? Yes. Should it happen anytime before it becomes a necessity? No.

Not signing him to the 5 year extension is the mistake. In your own words, nothing else needs to be said.

What if Signing Wiggins now instead of next summer saved us 5mill per. Would you not do it?

Personally, I wait to see how things are gelling in October to determine if Wiggins deserves the 5 year max. If he has not convinced them by October that he's worth of the 5-year max, then it can be put off until the next season. If he proves worth of the 5 year max next season, then give it to him right away.

I suppose the risk is he rejects it and goes for the 3+1 from someone else. But we are getting way ahead of ourselves. Let's make it to this October first...

TheGrey08 wrote:What if Signing Wiggins now instead of next summer saved us 5mill per. Would you not do it?

That's tough, but I stand firm and say no.

We know the cap will go up, that is a certainty. So I get the position.

Yet, I don't feel certain that Wiggins is effective enough to warrant 1/4 of our cap right now. Maybe he proves otherwise throughout this year. That is why I wait.

The argument against my stance is that he can just take the QO. He can do that regardless. It is highly unlikely that His agent would advise such action.

We should wait until at least half the games are played.

TheFuture wrote:

TheGrey08 wrote:What if Signing Wiggins now instead of next summer saved us 5mill per. Would you not do it?

That's tough, but I stand firm and say no.

We know the cap will go up, that is a certainty. So I get the position.

Yet, I don't feel certain that Wiggins is effective enough to warrant 1/4 of our cap right now. Maybe he proves otherwise throughout this year. That is why I wait.

The argument against my stance is that he can just take the QO. He can do that regardless. It is highly unlikely that His agent would advise such action.

We should wait until at least half the games are played.

I thought we were supposed to be building with the young guys? Now you don't want to build around the young guys? Man you and Lip... :)

monsterpile wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

TheGrey08 wrote:What if Signing Wiggins now instead of next summer saved us 5mill per. Would you not do it?

That's tough, but I stand firm and say no.

We know the cap will go up, that is a certainty. So I get the position.

Yet, I don't feel certain that Wiggins is effective enough to warrant 1/4 of our cap right now. Maybe he proves otherwise throughout this year. That is why I wait.

The argument against my stance is that he can just take the QO. He can do that regardless. It is highly unlikely that His agent would advise such action.

We should wait until at least half the games are played.

I thought we were supposed to be building with the young guys? Now you don't want to build around the young guys? Man you and Lip... :)

I noticed that Monster. It seems inconsistent to be concerned about the offseason moves based on giving up some of the young guys and expecting they would have developed into something special, and yet being very cautious on extending Wiggins based on concern about how he'll continue to develop.

monsterpile wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

TheGrey08 wrote:What if Signing Wiggins now instead of next summer saved us 5mill per. Would you not do it?

That's tough, but I stand firm and say no.

We know the cap will go up, that is a certainty. So I get the position.

Yet, I don't feel certain that Wiggins is effective enough to warrant 1/4 of our cap right now. Maybe he proves otherwise throughout this year. That is why I wait.

The argument against my stance is that he can just take the QO. He can do that regardless. It is highly unlikely that His agent would advise such action.

We should wait until at least half the games are played.

I thought we were supposed to be building with the young guys? Now you don't want to build around the young guys? Man you and Lip... :)

Lol. Well, I think I've been very consistent on my views about the offseason.

Stating that we should play our cards right regarding Wiggins' new contract actually accentuates my long term view/position. Being for organic development does not equal just paying out for the sake of paying out. Besides, We essentially gave up half of that path this summer anyhow..

like I said, I'd eat the risk and pay KAT a year early. He is so damn gifted and I dont care about the other questions surrounding his play. I don't, and most here don't, feel that same way about Wiggins. If we lose Wiggins because he chooses to take the QO, then whatever (though I am 99% sure it never happens). You trade him then. We may be better off with KAT, cap room + assets from Wiggins.

I understand the NBA is different now. Otto Porters and Jrue Holidays get max contracts. Wiggins will too. That will happen, unless something drastic happens this year, that's why I wait.

TheFuture wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

TheGrey08 wrote:What if Signing Wiggins now instead of next summer saved us 5mill per. Would you not do it?

That's tough, but I stand firm and say no.

We know the cap will go up, that is a certainty. So I get the position.

Yet, I don't feel certain that Wiggins is effective enough to warrant 1/4 of our cap right now. Maybe he proves otherwise throughout this year. That is why I wait.

The argument against my stance is that he can just take the QO. He can do that regardless. It is highly unlikely that His agent would advise such action.

We should wait until at least half the games are played.

I thought we were supposed to be building with the young guys? Now you don't want to build around the young guys? Man you and Lip... :)

Lol. Well, I think I've been very consistent on my views about the offseason.

Stating that we should play our cards right regarding Wiggins' new contract actually accentuates my long term view/position. Being for organic development does not equal just paying out for the sake of paying out. Besides, We essentially gave up half of that path this summer anyhow..

like I said, I'd eat the risk and pay KAT a year early. He is so damn gifted and I dont care about the other questions surrounding his play. I don't, and most here don't, feel that same way about Wiggins. If we lose Wiggins because he chooses to take the QO, then whatever (though I am 99% sure it never happens). You trade him then. We may be better off with KAT, cap room + assets from Wiggins.

I understand the NBA is different now. Otto Porters and Jrue Holidays get max contracts. Wiggins will too. That will happen, unless something drastic happens this year, that's why I wait.

Lol you just got done telling me, "Betting on someone else to relinquish you of your bad decisions is a mistake." Yet here you are comfortably saying trade Wiggins on a QO of all things for assets. Aka you'll get nothing for him at that point.

Well Khans, I'm talking about less than a 1% chance here. Yes, if Wiggins takes the QO I trade him for what I can get. KAT is the true prize in MN. He is the only one who warrants a max extension tomorrow if necessary.