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Q12543 wrote:

Mr. Brightside wrote:PG: Aaron Brooks or CJ Watson as both have a Thibs connection.

Wings: I bet it's Mike Dunleavy and Sefolosha. Personally, I'd make Afflalo the top priority.

I'd personally prefer Sefolosha over Crawford or nearly anyone else at this point. At this point, volume 3-shooters are pretty much gone, so I'd just say to hell with it and let's bring in another top wing defender that can also rebound and get some deflections.

By the way, if Butler or Wiggins went down with an injury, who would you rather have start in his place -
Thabo or Crawford? I know my answer.....

Thabo and it's not close. As we sit here today, the Wolves have absolutely no two-way players at either wing position unless you consider Belly a SF, but he's more of a PF and is coming off a broken foot. Actually, Belly isn't a sure thing coming off that injury at either position, which is why I would have liked to sign Ilyasova. But we're not going to get Ilyasova for the vet minimum. Thabo is critical to this team's depth behind Wiggins and Butler.

We had better hope that Thabo will come here for the minimum. He's obviously the perfect fit for the Wolves. But I also think the Wolves are a perfect fit for him. He'd get significant minutes as the only two-way wing off the bench. He's a defensive oriented, tough player, which would seem to fit Thibs' style. And he'd be with what looks like a playoff team and possibly much more.

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

Mr. Brightside wrote:PG: Aaron Brooks or CJ Watson as both have a Thibs connection.

Wings: I bet it's Mike Dunleavy and Sefolosha. Personally, I'd make Afflalo the top priority.

I'd personally prefer Sefolosha over Crawford or nearly anyone else at this point. At this point, volume 3-shooters are pretty much gone, so I'd just say to hell with it and let's bring in another top wing defender that can also rebound and get some deflections.

By the way, if Butler or Wiggins went down with an injury, who would you rather have start in his place -
Thabo or Crawford? I know my answer.....

Thabo and it's not close. As we sit here today, the Wolves have absolutely no two-way players at either wing position unless you consider Belly a SF, but he's more of a PF and is coming off a broken foot. Actually, Belly isn't a sure thing coming off that injury at either position, which is why I would have liked to sign Ilyasova. But we're not going to get Ilyasova for the vet minimum. Thabo is critical to this team's depth behind Wiggins and Butler.

We had better hope that Thabo will come here for the minimum. He's obviously the perfect fit for the Wolves. But I also think the Wolves are a perfect fit for him. He'd get significant minutes as the only two-way wing off the bench. He's a defensive oriented, tough player, which would seem to fit Thibs' style. And he'd be with what looks like a playoff team and possibly much more.

Ya thabo would be perfect. The Aldrich contact is killing us. I would not give up a first though.

Cole played in the Twin Cities pro am tonight. And he got worked be jordan Murphy of the gophers.

For the people who do not know Murphy he is an undersized 4 at 6'7 who was 3rd team big ten who is sort of a garbage man on how he plays.

In the pro am they gave the ball to Murphy 4 straight times on the block against cole and scored every time.

Come on cole that is embarrassing being in the NBA because of you defense.

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

Mr. Brightside wrote:PG: Aaron Brooks or CJ Watson as both have a Thibs connection.

Wings: I bet it's Mike Dunleavy and Sefolosha. Personally, I'd make Afflalo the top priority.

I'd personally prefer Sefolosha over Crawford or nearly anyone else at this point. At this point, volume 3-shooters are pretty much gone, so I'd just say to hell with it and let's bring in another top wing defender that can also rebound and get some deflections.

By the way, if Butler or Wiggins went down with an injury, who would you rather have start in his place -
Thabo or Crawford? I know my answer.....

Thabo and it's not close. As we sit here today, the Wolves have absolutely no two-way players at either wing position unless you consider Belly a SF, but he's more of a PF and is coming off a broken foot. Actually, Belly isn't a sure thing coming off that injury at either position, which is why I would have liked to sign Ilyasova. But we're not going to get Ilyasova for the vet minimum. Thabo is critical to this team's depth behind Wiggins and Butler.

We had better hope that Thabo will come here for the minimum. He's obviously the perfect fit for the Wolves. But I also think the Wolves are a perfect fit for him. He'd get significant minutes as the only two-way wing off the bench. He's a defensive oriented, tough player, which would seem to fit Thibs' style. And he'd be with what looks like a playoff team and possibly much more.

Don't you have to be good at offence and defense to be a two way player? Has Thabo every scored more then 9 PPG during his 12 years or so in the league?

Hoops! I Did It Again! wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

Mr. Brightside wrote:PG: Aaron Brooks or CJ Watson as both have a Thibs connection.

Wings: I bet it's Mike Dunleavy and Sefolosha. Personally, I'd make Afflalo the top priority.

I'd personally prefer Sefolosha over Crawford or nearly anyone else at this point. At this point, volume 3-shooters are pretty much gone, so I'd just say to hell with it and let's bring in another top wing defender that can also rebound and get some deflections.

By the way, if Butler or Wiggins went down with an injury, who would you rather have start in his place -
Thabo or Crawford? I know my answer.....

Thabo and it's not close. As we sit here today, the Wolves have absolutely no two-way players at either wing position unless you consider Belly a SF, but he's more of a PF and is coming off a broken foot. Actually, Belly isn't a sure thing coming off that injury at either position, which is why I would have liked to sign Ilyasova. But we're not going to get Ilyasova for the vet minimum. Thabo is critical to this team's depth behind Wiggins and Butler.

We had better hope that Thabo will come here for the minimum. He's obviously the perfect fit for the Wolves. But I also think the Wolves are a perfect fit for him. He'd get significant minutes as the only two-way wing off the bench. He's a defensive oriented, tough player, which would seem to fit Thibs' style. And he'd be with what looks like a playoff team and possibly much more.

Don't you have to be good at offence and defense to be a two way player? Has Thabo every scored more then 9 PPG during his 12 years or so in the league?

Yeah looking at his stats it is worse than I thought he is only a league-average 3-point shooter I thought he was better than that. He had two really good years shooting from behind the arc but that's it for his entire career, it kind of pushes his numbers up I mean really the past 4 years he's been an average 3-point shooter like almost every other player on our team. What is the difference between him and Tony Allen at this point?

BloopOracle wrote:

Hoops! I Did It Again! wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

Mr. Brightside wrote:PG: Aaron Brooks or CJ Watson as both have a Thibs connection.

Wings: I bet it's Mike Dunleavy and Sefolosha. Personally, I'd make Afflalo the top priority.

I'd personally prefer Sefolosha over Crawford or nearly anyone else at this point. At this point, volume 3-shooters are pretty much gone, so I'd just say to hell with it and let's bring in another top wing defender that can also rebound and get some deflections.

By the way, if Butler or Wiggins went down with an injury, who would you rather have start in his place -
Thabo or Crawford? I know my answer.....

Thabo and it's not close. As we sit here today, the Wolves have absolutely no two-way players at either wing position unless you consider Belly a SF, but he's more of a PF and is coming off a broken foot. Actually, Belly isn't a sure thing coming off that injury at either position, which is why I would have liked to sign Ilyasova. But we're not going to get Ilyasova for the vet minimum. Thabo is critical to this team's depth behind Wiggins and Butler.

We had better hope that Thabo will come here for the minimum. He's obviously the perfect fit for the Wolves. But I also think the Wolves are a perfect fit for him. He'd get significant minutes as the only two-way wing off the bench. He's a defensive oriented, tough player, which would seem to fit Thibs' style. And he'd be with what looks like a playoff team and possibly much more.

Don't you have to be good at offence and defense to be a two way player? Has Thabo every scored more then 9 PPG during his 12 years or so in the league?

Yeah looking at his stats it is worse than I thought he is only a league-average 3-point shooter I thought he was better than that. He had two really good years shooting from behind the arc but that's it for his entire career, it kind of pushes his numbers up I mean really the past 4 years he's been an average 3-point shooter like almost every other player on our team. What is the difference between him and Tony Allen at this point?

I'd say Thabo is probably not a 2 way player but he isn't nearly a liability as an offensive player. He can also probably still guard 1-4 to some extent which is valueable. Allen is probably an even more elite defender but other than doing the right things on offense he is nearly a liability there and is not a very good FT shooter. These guy's defense and Q score stuff is typically really good we would be fortunate to get either one. Honestly I don't think we will get either. Some other playoff level team will play them 3-5 million with an exception or something. I'd be happy to be wrong.

Good point about him being able to guard 1 through 4 but I just don't see anything he does well offensively. His numbers do beat out Tony's but just barely and he doesn't even really separate himself from Luc Richard Mboute. I think all three are good defenders but also big liabilities on the offensive end after comparing their numbers.

BloopOracle wrote:Good point about him being able to guard 1 through 4 but I just don't see anything he does well offensively. His numbers do beat out Tony's but just barely and he doesn't even really separate himself from Luc Richard Mboute. I think all three are good defenders but also big liabilities on the offensive end after comparing their numbers.

Yeah there may not really be a big difference in those guys offensive capabilities. The real yet is if those guys are playing a bench role instead of being starters you can much more easily just live with their flaws on the offensive end and just let them just defend the hell out of people. If you can get a bench player for the vet min that is really good at one valuable thing and knows how to play that's great.

monsterpile wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:Good point about him being able to guard 1 through 4 but I just don't see anything he does well offensively. His numbers do beat out Tony's but just barely and he doesn't even really separate himself from Luc Richard Mboute. I think all three are good defenders but also big liabilities on the offensive end after comparing their numbers.

Yeah there may not really be a big difference in those guys offensive capabilities. The real yet is if those guys are playing a bench role instead of being starters you can much more easily just live with their flaws on the offensive end and just let them just defend the hell out of people. If you can get a bench player for the vet min that is really good at one valuable thing and knows how to play that's great.

It's pretty obvious now why Thibs signed Crawford. He saw that his other realistic wing options were all defensive specialists. So he needed a complementary offensive specialist. That means, Thibs expects to end up with Thabo or Tony Allen.

As for the question of who I would want starting at a wing if one of our starters went down, I choose Thabo over Crawford...by a mile. Crawford has a reputation as a great 3-point shooter, but the difference in their career percentages is miniscule. But the gap between their defensive capabilities is as wide as the Pacific Ocean. Come on you Crawford guys...with Butler or Wig, KAT and Teague starting, do you really think we need next to them a high-usage average shooter that can't play defense?

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

BloopOracle wrote:Good point about him being able to guard 1 through 4 but I just don't see anything he does well offensively. His numbers do beat out Tony's but just barely and he doesn't even really separate himself from Luc Richard Mboute. I think all three are good defenders but also big liabilities on the offensive end after comparing their numbers.

Yeah there may not really be a big difference in those guys offensive capabilities. The real yet is if those guys are playing a bench role instead of being starters you can much more easily just live with their flaws on the offensive end and just let them just defend the hell out of people. If you can get a bench player for the vet min that is really good at one valuable thing and knows how to play that's great.

It's pretty obvious now why Thibs signed Crawford. He saw that his other realistic wing options were all defensive specialists. So he needed a complementary offensive specialist. That means, Thibs expects to end up with Thabo or Tony Allen.

That's kinda been my reason for liking the deal he can create his own shot and he can actually play PG if needed. Thibs said what he likes about Crawford is it doesn't take him anytime to warm up he comes in with his motor running. That's kinda what made Bazz worthwhile also. He came in and could make an impact immediately. Obviously Bazz's offense was limited to a couple things but he also was able to play hard make a hustle play and get a rebound etc. Thibs callled Crawford an explosive scorer and a guy if he hits a couple shots can really get going. He said he can basically win you a game. Obviously a guy like that can hurt you too but so can a guy that can't do much offensively. Crawford's efficiency is not good but he is a guy you probably want to pay attention to despite those shooting percentages. You may plan to leave him open here and there but not just ignore him because if he gets hot that's bad news and you don't know when he can get hot. I'm sure we have all played with a streaky scorer type that drives you nuts if you play with them. On the other hand when you play that guy you don't want to just let him jack up open shots because...if they get going. So that's part of the value of Crawford the potential of him getting hot. i think I said this before I wonder if his efficient may go up a bit with possibly even more shot creators around him than he did much of his time with the Clippers. He isn't getting younger though so...we will see.