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Re: Thought on the Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:42 pm
by Lipoli390
Wiggins for Simmons? Nope. And I'm a big Simmons fan. But Wiggins is a proven 20+ point per game scorer in the NBA. He's also has good chemistry with out other young guys. Simmons is a great talent, but hasn't played a game in the NBA. So no thanks. But it is an interesting idea. Simmons could be a superstar.
Re: Thought on the Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:00 am
by Monster
I think fans might be infinitely more obsessed with Butler than Thibs is...
Re: Thought on the Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:41 am
by MikkeMan
Q12543 wrote:
Yeah, it's an intriguing lineup. It would be a potentially brilliant play by Thibs because it addresses some of the concerns previously expressed about Butler:
1. The "lead dog" issue - As full-time PG, getting others involved is in the job description. He'd be able to still be a lead dog in the sense he would quarterback the offense, but getting KAT, Wiggins, and LaVine shots would be a mandate from the coach. He'd need to embrace this role and only play hero ball when the right match-up presents itself and the offense stagnates. PPG would go down, but APG would go up.
2. The lack of wing 3-point shooting issue - This lineup keeps LaVine as the starting SG and he is the high-volume 3-point shooter and floor spacer. Meanwhile, even though he isn't a dead eye shooter, Butler is still an upgrade over Rubio in this department
3. Defensive versatility and offensive mismatches - Rubio is a great defensive PG, but Butler is more versatile because he can guard all three perimeter positions. He can also better take advantage of mis-matches when a little guard or big man is switched onto him.
I think the biggest concern for me is whether he truly can run an offense. He certainly doesn't have the advanced pick and roll skills or open court floor vision of Rubio, or most other PGs for that matter. I even think there are a few other SGs with better floor vision and passing skills: Manu, Harden, and Wade for example.
But still....a Butler-LaVine-Wiggins starting perimeter trio has a lot to offer while also mitigating some of the earlier concerns voiced about a potential Butler trade.
I actually believe that Butler might have a better floor vision than Wade or Harden has. Last year was first one when he was give some change to actually run offense and the results were really promising. In last four months of last season (he played 37 games), he averaged 20.8 points, 5.8 assists and just 2.0 turnovers in 37 minutes. After all star break his 'point guard' stats were even more impressive 6.1 assists and just 1.9 turnovers per game. That would have been good enough for top20 in assists last season and his assists/TO ratio would have ranked 5th among starting point guards (behind only CP3, Rubio, Conley and Calderon). When Wade or Harden has averaged more than 6 assists per game, they have had always more than three TOs per game as well. Often their turnover average has been even over four.. They also have had much higher usage (typically over 30 compared to 23.3 from Butler's post all star break numbers). So I think Wade and Harde have got assists more often when opponents were double teaming them and Butler has got his assists more often by running plays.