Who you got: NBA Finals Addition

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longstrangetrip wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:What did you guys think of the Delly/Iggy play? While I think it was an intentional shot to the nuts by Delly, I think the referees handled it correctly in giving him a common foul and not doling out technicals to Iggy or Shumpert. I think the refs looked at the play several times and likely thought Delly had done something bad, but couldn't conclude he had. But because of the likelihood, they didn't punish Iggy for getting in Delly's face.

Why do I think it was intentional? Well first, as the announcers pointed out, Delly has the reputation of being a dirty player. Second, look at the level of the swipe compared to where the ball is. Iggy has pulled up his dribble and is moving the ball from right to left chest-high, but Delly's sweep is a full three feet lower! Either Delly has the worst depth perception in the NBA, or the Aussi clearly intended to go "down under"!


Didn't look intentional to me. What would be the point of that for Delly? I didn't think there was any reason for a T on Iggy but the announcers thought he would get one. I thought if guys got a T for that every time there would be some games where there would be like 15 T's handed out. I thought it was handled correctly by the officials and it wasn't a close game but I liked overall how the game was called. They are letting guys play and I thought it was pretty consistent.



I agree that the game was generally well-reffed. They missed some possession calls early (generally to the Warriors advantage, I thought), but on balance I thought the refs did a good job. I can't answer what the point would be for Delly to slap Iggy in the nuts. What was the point of Green kicking Stephan Adams below the belt? I think both Green and Delly are hard-nosed aggressive players who sometimes let their emotions get the best of them, and that's why both of them have earned the reputation of being dirty players.


If Delly is a dirty player than Green must be some sort of biohazard level of player. Lol Every game that guy does at least a couple plays that go farther than scrappy (both players are very scrappy).

I will add I've had similar situations happen to when Delly went for the ball. The guy I was guarding did something very different than what I was expecting and I didn't even get close to the ball and whacked them mayb not in the groin area but I wasn't trying to foul them hard. I tend to give guys the benefit of the doubt but it looked like a swipe for the basketball to me.
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http://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/Klay-Thompson-and-Kevin-Love-go-from-Little-7963918.php

Fun photo of Love and Thompson as Little League teammates...I never heard this before. I can tell that is Love in the back row, but I don't see Klay at all in that guy in the front row.

Playoffs return tonight, and it will be interesting to see what changes the Cavs make. I don't see how they can continue to focus almost entirely on the Warriors' big 2 while allowing the role players to get wide-open looks, so I expect Curry and Thompson to really go off tonight. I expect Lue might go with more Frye/Delly and less Love/Irving. Frye and Delly are not great defenders, but they are an upgrade over the two starters. I also look for James to be more assertive on offense like he was in last year's finals. I still think the Warriors win by double digits tonight before going back to Cleveland and Game 3 (which I expect will be their only win in this series).
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Love has the third highest DRPM among all major players through game one. He's not the problem. He was effective in Game 1. Lue isn't going away from him, nor should he.
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Camden wrote:Love has the third highest DRPM among all major players through game one. He's not the problem. He was effective in Game 1. Lue isn't going away from him, nor should he.


Cam, I like how you criticize DRPM when it suits your purpose and then use it when it supports your purpose. At least you are consistently inconsistent.
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TeamRicky wrote:
Camden wrote:Love has the third highest DRPM among all major players through game one. He's not the problem. He was effective in Game 1. Lue isn't going away from him, nor should he.


Cam, I like how you criticize DRPM when it suits your purpose and then use it when it supports your purpose. At least you are consistently inconsistent.


I've never criticized DRPM. I've used it to support my arguments time and time again. I have, however, criticized Defensive Rating on Basketball Reference multiple times for various reasons. Unsuccessful troll job, TeamRicky.
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Camden wrote:
TeamRicky wrote:
Camden wrote:Love has the third highest DRPM among all major players through game one. He's not the problem. He was effective in Game 1. Lue isn't going away from him, nor should he.


Cam, I like how you criticize DRPM when it suits your purpose and then use it when it supports your purpose. At least you are consistently inconsistent.


I've never criticized DRPM. I've used it to support my arguments time and time again. I have, however, criticized Defensive Rating on Basketball Reference multiple times for various reasons. Unsuccessful troll job, TeamRicky.


I don't know about the merits of DRPM, but I find it an enormous stretch to find anything praiseworthy in Love's defense (outside of very good rebounding). I've been listening to a lot of sports radio the past couple days, and his defense in Game 1 has been consistently panned and even occasionally ridiculed. I did notice that Jeff Van Gundy (who I generally respect) had a positive comment about Love's defense during the first half, but I had no idea what he was talking about. Andrew Bogut had 5 uncontested dunks (in only 15 minutes) and Love being out of position was a factor in most of them, and his inability or reluctance to help on defense led to several uncontested drives to the basket by Barnes. To Van Gundy's credit, he did come around in the second half and commented that Love needed to step up on defense.

The best thing that can be said about Love's defense in Game 1 was that Kyrie Irving was probably worse. 538.com generally takes a scholarly, stat-based approach to analyzing basketball, and here is what they had to say about Irving and Love's defensive ineptness in Game 1:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/kevin-love-and-kyrie-irving-got-eaten-up-against-the-warriors/

That's pretty much how I saw it too. Lue has to make some adjustments in Game 2, and I will be surprised if Love and Irving play 37 and 38 minutes like they did in Game 1.
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Camden wrote:
TeamRicky wrote:
Camden wrote:Love has the third highest DRPM among all major players through game one. He's not the problem. He was effective in Game 1. Lue isn't going away from him, nor should he.


Cam, I like how you criticize DRPM when it suits your purpose and then use it when it supports your purpose. At least you are consistently inconsistent.


I've never criticized DRPM. I've used it to support my arguments time and time again. I have, however, criticized Defensive Rating on Basketball Reference multiple times for various reasons. Unsuccessful troll job, TeamRicky.


I am a huge proponent of DRPM and I could have sworn we were debating the issue before, but I have no desire to peruse hundreds of pages to prove a point. As far as the inconsistent comment, its a jab you made at me before, so I thought I'd return the favor. :)
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This has been a good game so far. Bogut was swatting everything early.
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monsterpile wrote:This has been a good game so far. Bogut was swatting everything early.


Yeah, terrific start by Bogut! Warriors doing it again without 3's from the Splash Bros...only 2 for 7. The story so far has been Draymond raining 3's and Iggy and Bogut's defense.

Overreaction by Love on the elbow from Barnes?
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longstrangetrip wrote:
monsterpile wrote:This has been a good game so far. Bogut was swatting everything early.


Yeah, terrific start by Bogut! Warriors doing it again without 3's from the Splash Bros...only 2 for 7. The story so far has been Draymond raining 3's and Iggy and Bogut's defense.

Overreaction by Love on the elbow from Barnes?


I thought it may have been but that one angle clearly showed Barnes hit Love and knocked his head and we forget sometimes those plays don't look like big time blows but they are big powerful guys going full speed. That was not a glancing blow It was a square shot.

Also Green seemed to clearly try and avoid Love when he was on the floor although Thomspon bumping him probably helped. I guess Green isn't a completely dirty guy. Lol
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