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TeamRicky wrote:

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Cavs lose game 7 (or maybe they win). Draft is barely underway. Cavs and Knicks are trying to drum up a lottery team to take Love with Melo going to Cavs. Melo is amenable. Boston overplays their hand and misses their chance, Phoenix isn't ready to commit to success. . .Up next is the Wolves. Thibs looks at Love and sees a guy who is a young vet that can play winning basketball. He sees a guy who can be a dominant rebounder that helps improve our defense in that way. He sees a guy who legitimately stretches the floor. He and Towns can alternate playing inside and out. They can both pass the ball effectively. So Thibs asks himself if he can get Love to play to his standards in a team defensive concept. He starts to feel optimistic.

The deal goes as follows:

Cavs get: Carmelo Anthony
Knicks get: 5th pick, Nikola Pekovic, Shabazz Muhammad, Adreian Payne
Wolves get: Kevin Love, 2017 Knicks 2nd round pick

Do you make this trade?

Love isn't young for an NBA player. He'll be 28 before the season starts. I don't want to give away the fifth pick for the right to tie up 20 plus million dollars on a one way player. I'd rather just go after a free agent like Horford, Durant or Batum this year or Millsap, Ibaka or Blake Griffin next year.

khans2k5 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:If you simplistically divide basketball performance into 3 categories...offense, defense and intangibles, Love doesn't fare well. He's a good offensive player, ridiculed by players and pundits on defense, and close to cancerous in intangibles. Further, he's essentially the 4th or 5th best player this season on the Cavs when it counts most under the bright lights, and he forces his coaches to find ways to hide him on defense. When you consider all aspects of Kevin's game, it doesn't add up to a max contract to me.

And Khans' point about Love's contract just being slightly more than Pek and KG who can't play is a non-starter. the fact that we are saddled with a useless contract with Pek can't be an argument for adding a guy just because his contract isn't as bad. the discussion isn't about Love vs. KG plus Pek. It's about Love vs. #5 + Bazz, and that wins easily for me.

You're fucking insane if you would turn down 5 and Bazz for Love. The value isn't even close. Love is so far and away more valuable than 5 and Bazz it's ridiculous. I can't take it anymore. The Love bashing on this board is God damn ridiculous. He was a top 5 player in the entire fucking league when he played for us and you wouldn't take that for Bazz and 5? Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Love could be the worst defender of all time (which he isn't) and still be more valuable than Bazz and #5. Love is never gonna be a T-Wolf again, but the lack of objective analysis of his basketball abilities because you (in the general sense) don't like him is just astounding.

Q12543 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:If you simplistically divide basketball performance into 3 categories...offense, defense and intangibles, Love doesn't fare well. He's a good offensive player, ridiculed by players and pundits on defense, and close to cancerous in intangibles. Further, he's essentially the 4th or 5th best player this season on the Cavs when it counts most under the bright lights, and he forces his coaches to find ways to hide him on defense. When you consider all aspects of Kevin's game, it doesn't add up to a max contract to me.

And Khans' point about Love's contract just being slightly more than Pek and KG who can't play is a non-starter. the fact that we are saddled with a useless contract with Pek can't be an argument for adding a guy just because his contract isn't as bad. the discussion isn't about Love vs. KG plus Pek. It's about Love vs. #5 + Bazz, and that wins easily for me.

You're fucking insane if you would turn down 5 and Bazz for Love. The value isn't even close. Love is so far and away more valuable than 5 and Bazz it's ridiculous. I can't take it anymore. The Love bashing on this board is God damn ridiculous. He was a top 5 player in the entire fucking league when he played for us and you wouldn't take that for Bazz and 5? Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Love could be the worst defender of all time (which he isn't) and still be more valuable than Bazz and #5. Love is never gonna be a T-Wolf again, but the lack of objective analysis of his basketball abilities because you (in the general sense) don't like him is just astounding.

Heh, Angry Khans on the loose! Does it make you feel any better than Cam agrees with you? :)

I actually agree with you though. On paper, it's a great value and LST has always been a bit of an extremist when it comes to Love - it's one of the few areas where his otherwise clear and sober judgment seems compromised.

There is a middle ground in this debate though, which is the position I take: Yes, I'd do that deal because we get the best player. But then I'd probably turn around and trade Love for some other player or players that would fit with our current core group better.

longstrangetrip wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:If you simplistically divide basketball performance into 3 categories...offense, defense and intangibles, Love doesn't fare well. He's a good offensive player, ridiculed by players and pundits on defense, and close to cancerous in intangibles. Further, he's essentially the 4th or 5th best player this season on the Cavs when it counts most under the bright lights, and he forces his coaches to find ways to hide him on defense. When you consider all aspects of Kevin's game, it doesn't add up to a max contract to me.

And Khans' point about Love's contract just being slightly more than Pek and KG who can't play is a non-starter. the fact that we are saddled with a useless contract with Pek can't be an argument for adding a guy just because his contract isn't as bad. the discussion isn't about Love vs. KG plus Pek. It's about Love vs. #5 + Bazz, and that wins easily for me.

You're fucking insane if you would turn down 5 and Bazz for Love. The value isn't even close. Love is so far and away more valuable than 5 and Bazz it's ridiculous. I can't take it anymore. The Love bashing on this board is God damn ridiculous. He was a top 5 player in the entire fucking league when he played for us and you wouldn't take that for Bazz and 5? Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Love could be the worst defender of all time (which he isn't) and still be more valuable than Bazz and #5. Love is never gonna be a T-Wolf again, but the lack of objective analysis of his basketball abilities because you (in the general sense) don't like him is just astounding.

Heh, Angry Khans on the loose! Does it make you feel any better than Cam agrees with you? :)

I actually agree with you though. On paper, it's a great value and LST has always been a bit of an extremist when it comes to Love - it's one of the few areas where his otherwise clear and sober judgment seems compromised.

There is a middle ground in this debate though, which is the position I take: Yes, I'd do that deal because we get the best player. But then I'd probably turn around and trade Love for some other player or players that would fit with our current core group better.

I might recommend a little meditation or kundalini yoga.

My views on Love are admittedly extreme, but is there another so-called "star" in this league that draws so much criticism from the basketball media? I wonder if the Love-lovers here have been listening to the national media during the championship series. There's very little talk, if any, about his effectiveness. Instead, there are criticisms of his inept defense and discussion about how Lue has to find ways to hide him...or bench him at certain times. And lots of discussion about how he doesn't match up against the Warriors. My god, if you are really a max player in the league, your coach doesn't have to worry about how you match up with the opponent...the opponent has to worry about how they match up with you!

I can only shake my head at any suggestion that we want this guy back in our locker room.

kekgeek1 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:If you simplistically divide basketball performance into 3 categories...offense, defense and intangibles, Love doesn't fare well. He's a good offensive player, ridiculed by players and pundits on defense, and close to cancerous in intangibles. Further, he's essentially the 4th or 5th best player this season on the Cavs when it counts most under the bright lights, and he forces his coaches to find ways to hide him on defense. When you consider all aspects of Kevin's game, it doesn't add up to a max contract to me.

And Khans' point about Love's contract just being slightly more than Pek and KG who can't play is a non-starter. the fact that we are saddled with a useless contract with Pek can't be an argument for adding a guy just because his contract isn't as bad. the discussion isn't about Love vs. KG plus Pek. It's about Love vs. #5 + Bazz, and that wins easily for me.

You're fucking insane if you would turn down 5 and Bazz for Love. The value isn't even close. Love is so far and away more valuable than 5 and Bazz it's ridiculous. I can't take it anymore. The Love bashing on this board is God damn ridiculous. He was a top 5 player in the entire fucking league when he played for us and you wouldn't take that for Bazz and 5? Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Love could be the worst defender of all time (which he isn't) and still be more valuable than Bazz and #5. Love is never gonna be a T-Wolf again, but the lack of objective analysis of his basketball abilities because you (in the general sense) don't like him is just astounding.

Heh, Angry Khans on the loose! Does it make you feel any better than Cam agrees with you? :)

I actually agree with you though. On paper, it's a great value and LST has always been a bit of an extremist when it comes to Love - it's one of the few areas where his otherwise clear and sober judgment seems compromised.

There is a middle ground in this debate though, which is the position I take: Yes, I'd do that deal because we get the best player. But then I'd probably turn around and trade Love for some other player or players that would fit with our current core group better.

I might recommend a little meditation or kundalini yoga.

My views on Love are admittedly extreme, but is there another so-called "star" in this league that draws so much criticism from the basketball media? I wonder if the Love-lovers here have been listening to the national media during the championship series. There's very little talk, if any, about his effectiveness. Instead, there are criticisms of his inept defense and discussion about how Lue has to find ways to hide him...or bench him at certain times. And lots of discussion about how he doesn't match up against the Warriors. My god, if you are really a max player in the league, your coach doesn't have to worry about how you match up with the opponent...the opponent has to worry about how they match up with you!

I can only shake my head at any suggestion that we want this guy back in our locker room.

Just to be fair bosh was getting near the same criticism before they one a championship. I do understand your point though. Just think his value will be low and I think it is hard to learn how to play with lebron and kyrie

khans2k5 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:If you simplistically divide basketball performance into 3 categories...offense, defense and intangibles, Love doesn't fare well. He's a good offensive player, ridiculed by players and pundits on defense, and close to cancerous in intangibles. Further, he's essentially the 4th or 5th best player this season on the Cavs when it counts most under the bright lights, and he forces his coaches to find ways to hide him on defense. When you consider all aspects of Kevin's game, it doesn't add up to a max contract to me.

And Khans' point about Love's contract just being slightly more than Pek and KG who can't play is a non-starter. the fact that we are saddled with a useless contract with Pek can't be an argument for adding a guy just because his contract isn't as bad. the discussion isn't about Love vs. KG plus Pek. It's about Love vs. #5 + Bazz, and that wins easily for me.

You're fucking insane if you would turn down 5 and Bazz for Love. The value isn't even close. Love is so far and away more valuable than 5 and Bazz it's ridiculous. I can't take it anymore. The Love bashing on this board is God damn ridiculous. He was a top 5 player in the entire fucking league when he played for us and you wouldn't take that for Bazz and 5? Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Love could be the worst defender of all time (which he isn't) and still be more valuable than Bazz and #5. Love is never gonna be a T-Wolf again, but the lack of objective analysis of his basketball abilities because you (in the general sense) don't like him is just astounding.

Q12543 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:If you simplistically divide basketball performance into 3 categories...offense, defense and intangibles, Love doesn't fare well. He's a good offensive player, ridiculed by players and pundits on defense, and close to cancerous in intangibles. Further, he's essentially the 4th or 5th best player this season on the Cavs when it counts most under the bright lights, and he forces his coaches to find ways to hide him on defense. When you consider all aspects of Kevin's game, it doesn't add up to a max contract to me.

And Khans' point about Love's contract just being slightly more than Pek and KG who can't play is a non-starter. the fact that we are saddled with a useless contract with Pek can't be an argument for adding a guy just because his contract isn't as bad. the discussion isn't about Love vs. KG plus Pek. It's about Love vs. #5 + Bazz, and that wins easily for me.

You're fucking insane if you would turn down 5 and Bazz for Love. The value isn't even close. Love is so far and away more valuable than 5 and Bazz it's ridiculous. I can't take it anymore. The Love bashing on this board is God damn ridiculous. He was a top 5 player in the entire fucking league when he played for us and you wouldn't take that for Bazz and 5? Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Love could be the worst defender of all time (which he isn't) and still be more valuable than Bazz and #5. Love is never gonna be a T-Wolf again, but the lack of objective analysis of his basketball abilities because you (in the general sense) don't like him is just astounding.

Heh, Angry Khans on the loose! Does it make you feel any better than Cam agrees with you? :)

I actually agree with you though. On paper, it's a great value and LST has always been a bit of an extremist when it comes to Love - it's one of the few areas where his otherwise clear and sober judgment seems compromised.

There is a middle ground in this debate though, which is the position I take: Yes, I'd do that deal because we get the best player. But then I'd probably turn around and trade Love for some other player or players that would fit with our current core group better.