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Let's get this straight: Garnett is not a better rebounder than Dieng, not at this point in his career.
Neither is Plumlee.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:KAT and GD just look really tired to me.

This, soooo much! I love what G and KAT have done together this year, but it's pretty clear to me that their batteries are running low as the season comes to a close.

It really is refreshing that we know who our starting 5 will be next year and we're all, er, most of us are happy with it.

That's a nice thing to take into the offseason. When's the last time we could say that?

Brooklyn_Wolves wrote:Let's get this straight: Garnett is not a better rebounder than Dieng, not at this point in his career.
Neither is Plumlee.

That's not the point (all those guys have the same per 36 rebound numbers this year) but those guys are better rebounding the ball than what the Wolves have had off the bench with KG out.

kekgeek1 wrote:Abe any way you could post the wolves rebounding difference when Lavine was first put into the starting lineup. (I would look but I need to get to work) but the reason I ask is because could it be a combination of fatigue and lack of strength. Now Gorgui and Towns need to get stronger and better at positioning for rebounds and I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But I would like to know the difference right when Lavine entered the lineup because I am guessing Gorgui and Towns are starting to become fatigued playing close to 40 minutes a night for the last month and a half, compared to last night where we were going against lesser talented players but a lot fresher legs. I just think it is a combination of things.

Since LaVine was inserted as the starting SG, our opponents have rebounded 28% of their missed shots. That means we are rebounding 72% of opponent's missed shots. If that were our overall season percentage, it would put us dead last in the entire NBA.

Here are a few potential excuses besides the obvious fact they are often overpowered by much stronger players:

- Lack of true big-man depth. We literally have no backup Center with both Gorgui and KAT starting.

- Gorgui and KAT are getting tired. Dieng hasn't had a double-digit rebounding game since February.

- LaVine and Wiggins are leaking out a bit more in an effort to put pace into the game. It's not quite as blatant as Corey Brewer circa 2013-14, but we are clearly getting some easier buckets in transition, so that is a good thing.

Q12543 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:Abe any way you could post the wolves rebounding difference when Lavine was first put into the starting lineup. (I would look but I need to get to work) but the reason I ask is because could it be a combination of fatigue and lack of strength. Now Gorgui and Towns need to get stronger and better at positioning for rebounds and I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But I would like to know the difference right when Lavine entered the lineup because I am guessing Gorgui and Towns are starting to become fatigued playing close to 40 minutes a night for the last month and a half, compared to last night where we were going against lesser talented players but a lot fresher legs. I just think it is a combination of things.

Since LaVine was inserted as the starting SG, our opponents have rebounded 28% of their missed shots. That means we are rebounding 72% of opponent's missed shots. If that were our overall season percentage, it would put us dead last in the entire NBA.

Here are a few potential excuses besides the obvious fact they are often overpowered by much stronger players:

- Lack of true big-man depth. We literally have no backup Center with both Gorgui and KAT starting.

- Gorgui and KAT are getting tired. Dieng hasn't had a double-digit rebounding game since February.

- LaVine and Wiggins are leaking out a bit more in an effort to put pace into the game. It's not quite as blatant as Corey Brewer circa 2013-14, but we are clearly getting some easier buckets in transition, so that is a good thing.

Thank you for the stats

kekgeek1 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:Abe any way you could post the wolves rebounding difference when Lavine was first put into the starting lineup. (I would look but I need to get to work) but the reason I ask is because could it be a combination of fatigue and lack of strength. Now Gorgui and Towns need to get stronger and better at positioning for rebounds and I don't think anyone would disagree with that. But I would like to know the difference right when Lavine entered the lineup because I am guessing Gorgui and Towns are starting to become fatigued playing close to 40 minutes a night for the last month and a half, compared to last night where we were going against lesser talented players but a lot fresher legs. I just think it is a combination of things.

Since LaVine was inserted as the starting SG, our opponents have rebounded 28% of their missed shots. That means we are rebounding 72% of opponent's missed shots. If that were our overall season percentage, it would put us dead last in the entire NBA.

Here are a few potential excuses besides the obvious fact they are often overpowered by much stronger players:

- Lack of true big-man depth. We literally have no backup Center with both Gorgui and KAT starting.

- Gorgui and KAT are getting tired. Dieng hasn't had a double-digit rebounding game since February.

- LaVine and Wiggins are leaking out a bit more in an effort to put pace into the game. It's not quite as blatant as Corey Brewer circa 2013-14, but we are clearly getting some easier buckets in transition, so that is a good thing.

Thank you for the stats

Q on the transition it's clear the Wolves are getting out and running Sam was keeping them from doing that before because he was worried and rightly so to a certain extent about getting boards it's been a problem all year. Clearly the focus of the team is towards offense and getting up and down the court. Basically Sam said f#@$ it and said lets just go. To be honest that's a smart thing to do because at least they get a bunch of easy baskets guys are having fun and it's a lot more fun to watch and probably a heck of a lot more fun to coach too. Lol

Interesting article about Dieng.

https://www.minnpost.com/sports/2016/03/gorgui-dieng-rodney-dangerfield-nba

Sorta sums up some of the thoughts here. I think everybody agrees he's been capable to very capable, somewhere along that spectrum. And he's better than most thought.

The questions moving forward are will that be good enough for a good team? And at what cost?

You can't buy rebounding - everyone has to buy into rebounding - and to some extent we saw how good we could be at rebounding earlier in the season when we chose to rebound and had ZERO transition game.
Sam said early on that this team couldn't rebound which was why we didn't send anyone away from the D boards.
That being said, team rebounding can be taught as a habit, so I'm not that concerned.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:Interesting article about Dieng.

https://www.minnpost.com/sports/2016/03/gorgui-dieng-rodney-dangerfield-nba

Sorta sums up some of the thoughts here. I think everybody agrees he's been capable to very capable, somewhere along that spectrum. And he's better than most thought.

The questions moving forward are will that be good enough for a good team? And at what cost?

Thanks for posting. As someone that has been a long-time Gorgui critic for his defense in the paint, even I have developed a soft spot for the big man from Senegal.