Possible targets to strengthen our bench

[Lipoli390]

Barea and Thornton are very different players. JJ is a dribble penetrator who can also hit the three. Thornton is a three-point shooter who has a bit of a dribble penetration game but not much. Barea is also a guy with championship experience - a player who was a huge contributor, and actually crucial, to the Mavs' championship. I should add that Barea is a tough, tenacious defender. Thornton is a poor defender from a losing culture in Sacramento.

Thornton would give us another perimeter shooter off the bench. But he doesn't defend, doesn't break down defenders very well and is way over-priced making twice JJ's salary. He's also just a one-year rental. I'd much rather have Courtney Lee.

[worldK]

Jj and thornton are similar in that they are both gunners who looks for their shot first. I prefer jj because of his winning experience and he actually has the ability to pass or setup teammates when he doesn't have a shot at the basket whereas thornton would just jack it up. I still dont like adding courtney lee to the team. If we are adding a wing, i like someone with length and athletecism. We need athletes on this team.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Jj and thornton are similar in that they are both gunners who looks for their shot first. I prefer jj because of his winning experience and he actually has the ability to pass or setup teammates when he doesn't have a shot at the basket whereas thornton would just jack it up. I still dont like adding courtney lee to the team. If we are adding a wing, i like someone with length and athletecism. We need athletes on this team.

This wasn't an either-or deal with Barea and Thornton, I thought. It was a coexist topic that turned into a breakdown of their games. I think they'd be able to work together, but both getting their shots up. And you're too high on Barea's ability to set up teammates. If he could do that well, he'd be doing it and our second unit would be better for it. He's a one-focus pony looking to get his points. On the nights where he's hot (one every what, five games?), that's great for the second unit. When he's not hot, it's just poor decision after poor decision.

For their careers, Thornton has better percentages in both FG% and 3pt%, while averaging less turnovers. Pretty tough for me to agree with the notion that Thornton is more of a "chucker" than Barea. Contracts aside, I'd rather have Thornton than Barea actually, but again... it isn't an either-or type deal.

Also, if we're adding a wing, we need a basketball player that can be reliable at something. If we needed length and athleticism in the second unit, D-Will would be the perfect man because he fits both of those characteristics. Courtney Lee isn't a weak athlete by any means, while he's also a 38% 3pt shooter for his career and has always been good on defense.

[worldK]

Jj and thornton are similar in that they are both gunners who looks for their shot first. I prefer jj because of his winning experience and he actually has the ability to pass or setup teammates when he doesn't have a shot at the basket whereas thornton would just jack it up. I still dont like adding courtney lee to the team. If we are adding a wing, i like someone with length and athletecism. We need athletes on this team.

This wasn't an either-or deal with Barea and Thornton, I thought. It was a coexist topic that turned into a breakdown of their games. I think they'd be able to work together, but both getting their shots up. And you're too high on Barea's ability to set up teammates. If he could do that well, he'd be doing it and our second unit would be better for it. He's a one-focus pony looking to get his points. On the nights where he's hot (one every what, five games?), that's great for the second unit. When he's not hot, it's just poor decision after poor decision.

For their careers, Thornton has better percentages in both FG% and 3pt%, while averaging less turnovers. Pretty tough for me to agree with the notion that Thornton is more of a "chucker" than Barea. Contracts aside, I'd rather have Thornton than Barea actually, but again... it isn't an either-or type deal.

Also, if we're adding a wing, we need a basketball player that can be reliable at something. If we needed length and athleticism in the second unit, D-Will would be the perfect man because he fits both of those characteristics. Courtney Lee isn't a weak athlete by any means, while he's also a 38% 3pt shooter for his career and has always been good on defense.

Cam, i know your not taking this as an either/ or. I just happen to think that they wont be a good duo together off the bench. Different opinions between us, no worries. I just dont like marcus or courtney on the team and prefer others.

By long and athletic, I would add to that a long and athletic wing who can play and good enough to be a rotational player. Guys that has been brought up like chandler, ariza and marvin williams are guys in my mind.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Cam, i know your not taking this as an either/ or. I just happen to think that they wont be a good duo together off the bench. Different opinions between us, no worries. I just dont like marcus or courtney on the team and prefer others.

By long and athletic, I would add to that a long and athletic wing who can play and good enough to be a rotational player. Guys that has been brought up like chandler, ariza and marvin williams are guys in my mind.

That's fair. I can respect that.

Wilson Chandler would be fantastic. I think he'd actually be the best possible addition that the Wolves could make to be honest. Ariza would be nice as well even if he isn't signed after this year. Could be re-signed so no worries on that front. I'm just not a Marvin Williams guy for a number of reasons.

[worldK]

Cam, i know your not taking this as an either/ or. I just happen to think that they wont be a good duo together off the bench. Different opinions between us, no worries. I just dont like marcus or courtney on the team and prefer others.

By long and athletic, I would add to that a long and athletic wing who can play and good enough to be a rotational player. Guys that has been brought up like chandler, ariza and marvin williams are guys in my mind.

That's fair. I can respect that.

Wilson Chandler would be fantastic. I think he'd actually be the best possible addition that the Wolves could make to be honest. Ariza would be nice as well even if he isn't signed after this year. Could be re-signed so no worries on that front. I'm just not a Marvin Williams guy for a number of reasons.[/quo

You have my respect as well cam.

Whoever it is, we need another rotation player to help out the bench and it all boils down to dw's value around the league.

[m4gor [enjin:6667447]]

even though i see the point of adding athletic SF i gotta remind you that we have absolutely no SG backup so from this standpoint Lee makes much more sense as he can guard smaller faster SG and for bigger wings we already have Brewer ..
it looks to me that we could survive with Brewer/Hummel till we get Bud back and then play Brewer/Bud backed by Hummel which was pre season plan probably (with Bazz developing behind them), but with Shved so bad we have no SG off the bench so we play Ricky+JJ or Brewer as SG with Hummel as SF and i gotta tell you that i am not fan of either of these options

[Lipoli390]

even though i see the point of adding athletic SF i gotta remind you that we have absolutely no SG backup so from this standpoint Lee makes much more sense as he can guard smaller faster SG and for bigger wings we already have Brewer ..
it looks to me that we could survive with Brewer/Hummel till we get Bud back and then play Brewer/Bud backed by Hummel which was pre season plan probably (with Bazz developing behind them), but with Shved so bad we have no SG off the bench so we play Ricky+JJ or Brewer as SG with Hummel as SF and i gotta tell you that i am not fan of either of these options

I agree. We need someone reliable behind Martin at the SG position -- someone who can defend, handle the ball and shoot well from behind the arc. Courtney Lee fits all those criteria. He brings the extra benefit of being familiar with Adelman's system. While not a great athlete, he's a very good athlete. And at age 28, he is in his prime and should remain at the top of his game athletically for a number of years.

I'm not thrilled with his annual salary, but it's about a million less than Derrick 's. So he would not add to our luxury tax risk this season or next -- although he might pose a luxury task risk the following season when Ricky starts his next contract. We can't afford to keep three supporting-cast wings -- Brewer, Budinger and Lee -- at $5 million per year each. But that's down the road. We need to win now, otherwise we won't be re-signing Ricky or Love.

[bleedspeed]

Courtney Lee would be perfect for DWill.

Another thought would be go after Nelson/Affialo from the Magic.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lqx23oo

PG - Ricky/Nelson/Price
SG - Martin/Affialo
SF - Brewer/Bud/Hummel
PF - Love/Cunningham
C - Pekovic/Turiaff/Deing

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

What about this?

NYK: PF Kenneth Faried
DEN: SG Iman Shumpert, PF D-Will, 2015 first-round pick via NYK, 2016 first-round pick via MIN
MIN: SF Wilson Chandler

All the salaries work out. These three teams have also worked together in the past (Melo trade). Just a thought. I'd be in favor.