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A Friendly Flatulence wrote:Mook from the "highpost" man that's a trip down memory lane. I wonder where good ole Mook and Narf ahttp://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=22481&sid=e548476b61a31a15d3f728e28ce6c52b&start=150re these days?

How weird that on the same day that mook is brought up here, he makes his first appearance in almost a year on rubechat!

A Friendly Flatulence wrote:Mook from the "highpost" man that's a trip down memory lane. I wonder where good ole Mook and Narf are these days?

I am pretty sure I saw Narf posting on RealGM. Not sure what happened to Mook.

Poor, angry ilove. There have been several reports that the Warriors are hung up on taking Martin's contract. I won't bother to find and post them for you since it probably wouldn't matter.

Long - You're right that my slant on Flip has been leaning negative overall, but I've been moving more towards the positive as I've learned more. I've had some interesting conversations, which I'll post at the appropriate time after all the dust has settled. I don't know what deals Flip has actually had presented to him. But I do know that Klay was on the table at one time as part of a GS deal. I don't know what the other pieces of that deal were, but I am certain Klay was part of the deal.

It's possible that GS has since taken Klay off the table, but I suspect the recent reports to that effect simply reflect some gamesmanship by the Warriors front office through their stooges in the media. I know enough to accept the reports that GS has thus far resisted taking Martin as part of any deal involving Klay and that there is disagreement over the ancillary pieces of the deal (i.e., the non-Klay pieces).

I'm not optimistic about a GS deal happening. It seems as if the momentum in that direction has waned as folks in the Warriors organization have engaged in some further reflect. But I'm just guessing on that. If Melo ends up staying in NY, then I'm coming around to thinking we will end up dealing Love to Houston for Chander Parsons and other pieces. It just seems to make sense for the following reasons:

1. Parsons will no longer be a cheap contract for the Rockets giving his RFA status and the high level of interest in him around the League.

2. Houston's President of Basketball Operations likes to make a big splash by landing top talent and marque names. Love would definitely fit that bill.

3. Love would be a great fit for Houston playing next to the defensive-oriented Dwight Howard and playing with a ball-dominant guard in Harden.

4. Kevin McHale and Love are very close.

Note the report that Chandler would go along with a deal to the Wolves if the money is right. Look for a deal similar to Pek's 5-year $60 million contract. I'd insist on getting Terrence Jones as part of the deal.

Lip would you prefer a deal centered around Parsons or a Chicago deal centered around McDermott?

TheSP wrote:

alexftbl8181 wrote:Not sure I'd give Flip credit for AK opting out stupidly and ending up where he did. That kind of fell into his lap. And no AJ Price would not of been a better option. There is a reason AJ Price is where he's at. He isn't good

I thought it was pretty well understood he would have resigned for a multi-year deal which Flip wasn't offering. While Flip had no control over if AK would opt-out he certainly made the 100% right decision once AK did!

I'm 99% sure Flip did offer him a multi year deal after he opted out. AK just stupidly went to the nets

alexftbl8181 wrote:

TheSP wrote:

alexftbl8181 wrote:Not sure I'd give Flip credit for AK opting out stupidly and ending up where he did. That kind of fell into his lap. And no AJ Price would not of been a better option. There is a reason AJ Price is where he's at. He isn't good

I thought it was pretty well understood he would have resigned for a multi-year deal which Flip wasn't offering. While Flip had no control over if AK would opt-out he certainly made the 100% right decision once AK did!

I'm 99% sure Flip did offer him a multi year deal after he opted out. AK just stupidly went to the nets

As I said in my post we don't know what really happened with the AK Wolves Flip situation and that's why I say there isn't a way to really say whether it was a good move, non move etc. I said you can make an argument which Lip did that it was a good move. The reality is we don't know but I still think that was worth mentioning because I don't think there is any doubt Flip had a hand in whether AK stayed or not.

Is the Pek Signing Good, bad ugly or unknown? I guess unknown because I have no idea.

lipoli390 wrote:Poor, angry ilove. There have been several reports that the Warriors are hung up on taking Martin's contract. I won't bother to find and post them for you since it probably wouldn't matter.

Long - You're right that my slant on Flip has been leaning negative overall, but I've been moving more towards the positive as I've learned more. I've had some interesting conversations, which I'll post at the appropriate time after all the dust has settled. I don't know what deals Flip has actually had presented to him. But I do know that Klay was on the table at one time as part of a GS deal. I don't know what the other pieces of that deal were, but I am certain Klay was part of the deal.

It's possible that GS has since taken Klay off the table, but I suspect the recent reports to that effect simply reflect some gamesmanship by the Warriors front office through their stooges in the media. I know enough to accept the reports that GS has thus far resisted taking Martin as part of any deal involving Klay and that there is disagreement over the ancillary pieces of the deal (i.e., the non-Klay pieces).

I'm not optimistic about a GS deal happening. It seems as if the momentum in that direction has waned as folks in the Warriors organization have engaged in some further reflect. But I'm just guessing on that. If Melo ends up staying in NY, then I'm coming around to thinking we will end up dealing Love to Houston for Chander Parsons and other pieces. It just seems to make sense for the following reasons:

1. Parsons will no longer be a cheap contract for the Rockets giving his RFA status and the high level of interest in him around the League.

2. Houston's President of Basketball Operations likes to make a big splash by landing top talent and marque names. Love would definitely fit that bill.

3. Love would be a great fit for Houston playing next to the defensive-oriented Dwight Howard and playing with a ball-dominant guard in Harden.

4. Kevin McHale and Love are very close.

Note the report that Chandler would go along with a deal to the Wolves if the money is right. Look for a deal similar to Pek's 5-year $60 million contract. I'd insist on getting Terrence Jones as part of the deal.

I''m mad because i don't beleve some poster that thinks he knows it all? lol get over yourself..Time to clime off your high horse....

thedoper wrote:Is the Pek Signing Good, bad ugly or unknown? I guess unknown because I have no idea.

I see this signing as neither good, bad or unknown...I see it as a neutral, in that $12 million seems to be about what Pek is worth. Perhaps last year I thought it was a net negative for Flip, because it seemed we didn't have any competition in pursuing Pek. But the Gortat signing makes me see it in a new light. I see Pek as a slightly superior player. He is significantly more productive offensively and that difference is more significant than the difference in the two on defense. Gortat is the better rim protector, averaging a block a game more than Pek, but Pek is the better defensive rebounder and also uses his body well man to man. The other factors are age and durability. Pek is three years younger, which is significant, but has also struggled to stay on the court the past three years while Gortat is coming off an injury-free season. But the two previous seasons Gortat only played 65 games each, so I would argue that Pek's youth relative to Gortat offsets his lesser durability. So all in all, I see
Pek as the slightly superior player, lending some credence to the argument that Flip's deal was appropriate.

I think you can arrive at the same conclusion if you look at Pek's salary relevant to other centers. If you look at overall center rankings, Pek usually falls somewhere in the 9-13 range. So his 12th largest salary seems to be appropriate in light of his position ranking.

Because Dieng was a prospect and Turiaf a career backup, and because Pek is popular with the fans, Flip needed to sign him. And getting him for an appropriate number seems like an okay bit of work by Flip...not really good or bad.

I still am confident we could thrive with Dieng and Turiaf at center, and in light of more pressing needs (like an upgrade at SG) I still think Flip should try to move Pek. The Gortat $12 million for 5 years makes me more optimistic that a lot of teams won't wince at Pek's 4 remaining years at $12 million.

lipoli390 wrote:Poor, angry ilove. There have been several reports that the Warriors are hung up on taking Martin's contract. I won't bother to find and post them for you since it probably wouldn't matter.

Long - You're right that my slant on Flip has been leaning negative overall, but I've been moving more towards the positive as I've learned more. I've had some interesting conversations, which I'll post at the appropriate time after all the dust has settled. I don't know what deals Flip has actually had presented to him. But I do know that Klay was on the table at one time as part of a GS deal. I don't know what the other pieces of that deal were, but I am certain Klay was part of the deal.

It's possible that GS has since taken Klay off the table, but I suspect the recent reports to that effect simply reflect some gamesmanship by the Warriors front office through their stooges in the media. I know enough to accept the reports that GS has thus far resisted taking Martin as part of any deal involving Klay and that there is disagreement over the ancillary pieces of the deal (i.e., the non-Klay pieces).

I'm not optimistic about a GS deal happening. It seems as if the momentum in that direction has waned as folks in the Warriors organization have engaged in some further reflect. But I'm just guessing on that. If Melo ends up staying in NY, then I'm coming around to thinking we will end up dealing Love to Houston for Chander Parsons and other pieces. It just seems to make sense for the following reasons:

1. Parsons will no longer be a cheap contract for the Rockets giving his RFA status and the high level of interest in him around the League.

2. Houston's President of Basketball Operations likes to make a big splash by landing top talent and marque names. Love would definitely fit that bill.

3. Love would be a great fit for Houston playing next to the defensive-oriented Dwight Howard and playing with a ball-dominant guard in Harden.

4. Kevin McHale and Love are very close.

Note the report that Chandler would go along with a deal to the Wolves if the money is right. Look for a deal similar to Pek's 5-year $60 million contract. I'd insist on getting Terrence Jones as part of the deal.

Now there is the Chris Bosh angle to think about. Apparently Houston is going to turn to him next, which makes sense since they can keep Parsons if they get Bosh. I'm most concerned about Parsons waiting around long enough for a Love deal to materialize.

As for GS, I feel as long as the owner wants Love (which he reportedly does) the deal has a good chance of staying on the table, Jerry West be damned.