Julius Randle

[Lipoli390]

If there was any partial or non guarantees next year he could be traded for them as well but I'm not getting into the weeds looking for those. The safest bet is to trade him or NAW in the next few weeks.

Yep. I would think we could get a couple 2nds at least or maybe a lottery-protected 1st for NAW. That seems like the easy one. Trading Randle by the deadline for cap relief without giving up future picks will be a tough one. But I wouldn’t say it can’t happen. Randle is a very good player and not yet on the downslope of his career. So it’s not like we’d be asking a team to take an unproductive player, bad seed or declining elder statesman. The issue with Randle for us is his poor fit.

I think Randle is a tough fit for a lot of teams in that he's sort of in no-man's land as a player/contract. He isn't good enough to be a #1 or #2 on a contender, but he's probably too expensive to be a #3 or bench scorer.

I will say Miami seems like the one environment where he could actually make some sense, as they could use some scoring punch to replace Butler. Although not sure he's cut out for "Heat Culture".

I think that’s right. First of all, the only teams that would have interest in acquiring Randle without also getting draft assets to sweeten the deal would be contending teams that could use a boost to their offense and/or rebounding. Therefore, all this thank about Randle being traded to Chicago or Washington seem ridiculous to me.

I see five teams that might have interest in acquiring Randle without sweeteners the Wolves can’t or shouldn’t give: Miami, Orlando, Detroit, the Clippers, and the Lakers. All of those teams are fighting for playoff spots and could benefit from more scoring. Orlando’s offense in particular is struggling and they might like the idea of pairing Randle with Banchero up front for more scoring punch. Their defense is terrific and good enough to hold up with Randle in their starting lineup. I think Randle would be an upgrade for Detroit over Harris at PF next to Duran. I can see Miami being interested in Randle as you noted. The Clippers are really struggling to score and would benefit from a scorer like Randle. Same for the Lakers.

I’m not sure there are any realistic trade scenarios with any of these teams except Detroit. A fair deal and easy deal in my view would be Randle for Harris plus a couple future 2nd round picks. That deal would save the Wolves around $4.3 million in payroll next season, which would provide some critical cushion for re-signing Naz, getting under the 2nd apron. I also see Harris as a better fit with Rudy and Ant. Further, I don’t think Harris would bristle the way Randle would over a bench role. Meanwhile, Randle would provide a lot more offensive production and rebounding for Detroit than they get from Harris. Detroit really wants to make the playoffs and are no longer in full rebuild mode. They’re hungry as an organization to win and get their talented young core playoff experience. Randle would help them.

I think that Detroit deal is there for us but I don’t think TC will do it because I don’t think he’s interested in trading Randle. I hope I’m wrong.

[Phenom]

Yep. I would think we could get a couple 2nds at least or maybe a lottery-protected 1st for NAW. That seems like the easy one. Trading Randle by the deadline for cap relief without giving up future picks will be a tough one. But I wouldn’t say it can’t happen. Randle is a very good player and not yet on the downslope of his career. So it’s not like we’d be asking a team to take an unproductive player, bad seed or declining elder statesman. The issue with Randle for us is his poor fit.

I think Randle is a tough fit for a lot of teams in that he's sort of in no-man's land as a player/contract. He isn't good enough to be a #1 or #2 on a contender, but he's probably too expensive to be a #3 or bench scorer.

I will say Miami seems like the one environment where he could actually make some sense, as they could use some scoring punch to replace Butler. Although not sure he's cut out for "Heat Culture".

I think that’s right. First of all, the only teams that would have interest in acquiring Randle without also getting draft assets to sweeten the deal would be contending teams that could use a boost to their offense and/or rebounding. Therefore, all this thank about Randle being traded to Chicago or Washington seem ridiculous to me.

I see five teams that might have interest in acquiring Randle without sweeteners the Wolves can’t or shouldn’t give: Miami, Orlando, Detroit, the Clippers, and the Lakers. All of those teams are fighting for playoff spots and could benefit from more scoring. Orlando’s offense in particular is struggling and they might like the idea of pairing Randle with Banchero up front for more scoring punch. Their defense is terrific and good enough to hold up with Randle in their starting lineup. I think Randle would be an upgrade for Detroit over Harris at PF next to Duran. I can see Miami being interested in Randle as you noted. The Clippers are really struggling to score and would benefit from a scorer like Randle. Same for the Lakers.

I’m not sure there are any realistic trade scenarios with any of these teams except Detroit. A fair deal and easy deal in my view would be Randle for Harris plus a couple future 2nd round picks. That deal would save the Wolves around $4.3 million in payroll next season, which would provide some critical cushion for re-signing Naz, getting under the 2nd apron. I also see Harris as a better fit with Rudy and Ant. Further, I don’t think Harris would bristle the way Randle would over a bench role. Meanwhile, Randle would provide a lot more offensive production and rebounding for Detroit than they get from Harris. Detroit really wants to make the playoffs and are no longer in full rebuild mode. They’re hungry as an organization to win and get their talented young core playoff experience. Randle would help them.

I think that Detroit deal is there for us but I don’t think TC will do it because I don’t think he’s interested in trading Randle. I hope I’m wrong.

That seems like a solid list of possible teams. Orlando has a financial cliff coming with rookie extensions which will impact their thinking. A dark horse candidate could be Milwaukee. They are a 2nd apron team but are close enough to the apron line that they could aggregate salary if they are under the line at the conclusion of the trade. This is how they are able to be possible to get Butler, Beal, etc.

[rapsuperstar31]

If we don't trade Randle, ride out the season and see what happens and he opts into the 30 million, do you think we would consider negotiating a buy out and stretch it out if they are unable to trade his expiring contract?

[60WinTim]

Randle has been coming up on some of the NBA podcasts. This one is so frickin' depressing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSZdNgxIlVE

[60WinTim]

Butler missed the Heat team flight and has been suspended for two games and told to stay home. Sure seems like things are coming to a head. There's a 5-team trade that gets Butler to Phoenix, Beal to Milwaukee, Julius to Miami and Collins to Minnesota. I don't think the Wolves would need to include any draft compensation in the 5-team scenario.

But, yeah, wishful thinking...

[Lipoli390]

Butler missed the Heat team flight and has been suspended for two games and told to stay home. Sure seems like things are coming to a head. There's a 5-team trade that gets Butler to Phoenix, Beal to Milwaukee, Julius to Miami and Collins to Minnesota. I don't think the Wolves would need to include any draft compensation in the 5-team scenario.

But, yeah, wishful thinking...

That would be a great deal for Miami. They’d get rid of a toxic player and save a ton of money. The deal makes sense for Milwaukee. They’re desperate to get into contention with Giannis there and the optimal fit would be a scoring guard like Beal. The question with Beal is his health, but Milwaukee needs to roll the dice. I’m not crazy about swapping Randle for Collins. I think Collins is a cancer and there’s not evidence he helps win games. However, the swap would save the Wolves $3.5 million next season, which would help ensure we can sign Naz while getting below the 2nd apron and possibly the first apron as well. I’m not crazy about that deal for the Wolves, but it wouldn’t necessarily be terrible.

My question is: What does Utah get out of this deal? They’d probably want draft compensation and there’s no way the Wolves should give up any picks to swap Randle for Collins in my view. Actually, I’d want a 2nd round pick along with Collins since Randle is the better player of the two.

[Monster]

Butler missed the Heat team flight and has been suspended for two games and told to stay home. Sure seems like things are coming to a head. There's a 5-team trade that gets Butler to Phoenix, Beal to Milwaukee, Julius to Miami and Collins to Minnesota. I don't think the Wolves would need to include any draft compensation in the 5-team scenario.

But, yeah, wishful thinking...

That would be a great deal for Miami. They’d get rid of a toxic player and save a ton of money. The deal makes sense for Milwaukee. They’re desperate to get into contention with Giannis there and the optimal fit would be a scoring guard like Beal. The question with Beal is his health, but Milwaukee needs to roll the dice. I’m not crazy about swapping Randle for Collins. I think Collins is a cancer and there’s not evidence he helps win games. However, the swap would save the Wolves $3.5 million next season, which would help ensure we can sign Naz while getting below the 2nd apron and possibly the first apron as well. I’m not crazy about that deal for the Wolves, but it wouldn’t necessarily be terrible.

My question is: What does Utah get out of this deal? They’d probably want draft compensation and there’s no way the Wolves should give up any picks to swap Randle for Collins in my view. Actually, I’d want a 2nd round pick along with Collins since Randle is the better player of the two.

A couple things.

1. I believe Randle based on hoops hype that Randle still has some incentives on the last year of his contract and one of them is playing 65 games and making the playoffs so that's a little more money he could he owed.

2. Utah might make the deal because Randle is simply a better player than Collins so they may thing that despite a little more money they will have a better chance of moving him in a future deal. They may also figure there is also a better chance of Randle opting out than Collins which I think is true especially if he is stuck in Utah. I don't see Randle as a guy that's gonna just be cool playing out his last year on a total rebuild.

3. While I have not watched games for weeks now I'm generally someone who values and kinda likes Randle. someone brought this up in another post in one of these threads (sorry I don't remember who) about Randle's numbers in the playoffs. That's a real question about him. One of those years I believe he was legit playing on a bum ankle but it's a legit concern. At this point he hasn't reached the point that D'Angelo Russell is where it feels like he simply is not a good player once it hits the playoffs. If Randle has another poor playoffs he will be close to that. How much do you pay a guy that you may not want to play starter minutes in the playoffs? Randle's salary is a big factor but how he can contribute in the playoffs is a pretty big factor to consider and I had that concern when the deal was made. It's not like Towns is some sort of awesome playoff guy himself but Randle has clearly been worse to this point.

4. Bradley Beal is only 31!?! Why did I think he was like 34? It almost feels like whoever has to take on the over 110 million he is owed after this season should get something for that.

[rapsuperstar31]

Randle has been coming up on some of the NBA podcasts. This one is so frickin' depressing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSZdNgxIlVE

Yeah Bill Simmons had a podcast talking about fake trades with Kevin O'Connor. Bill brought up a three way of Randle to Detroit, Harris to Milwaukee, and Middleton to Minnesota. Kevin hated it for Detroit said Randle isn't a winning player only a stats guy on a bad team. Bill thought Randle has more value than Kevin thought but asked Kevin who he thought Randle fit on and Kevin was like no one, maybe Brooklyn.

[Lipoli390]

Butler missed the Heat team flight and has been suspended for two games and told to stay home. Sure seems like things are coming to a head. There's a 5-team trade that gets Butler to Phoenix, Beal to Milwaukee, Julius to Miami and Collins to Minnesota. I don't think the Wolves would need to include any draft compensation in the 5-team scenario.

But, yeah, wishful thinking...

That would be a great deal for Miami. They’d get rid of a toxic player and save a ton of money. The deal makes sense for Milwaukee. They’re desperate to get into contention with Giannis there and the optimal fit would be a scoring guard like Beal. The question with Beal is his health, but Milwaukee needs to roll the dice. I’m not crazy about swapping Randle for Collins. I think Collins is a cancer and there’s not evidence he helps win games. However, the swap would save the Wolves $3.5 million next season, which would help ensure we can sign Naz while getting below the 2nd apron and possibly the first apron as well. I’m not crazy about that deal for the Wolves, but it wouldn’t necessarily be terrible.

My question is: What does Utah get out of this deal? They’d probably want draft compensation and there’s no way the Wolves should give up any picks to swap Randle for Collins in my view. Actually, I’d want a 2nd round pick along with Collins since Randle is the better player of the two.

A couple things.

1. I believe Randle based on hoops hype that Randle still has some incentives on the last year of his contract and one of them is playing 65 games and making the playoffs so that's a little more money he could he owed.

2. Utah might make the deal because Randle is simply a better player than Collins so they may thing that despite a little more money they will have a better chance of moving him in a future deal. They may also figure there is also a better chance of Randle opting out than Collins which I think is true especially if he is stuck in Utah. I don't see Randle as a guy that's gonna just be cool playing out his last year on a total rebuild.

3. While I have not watched games for weeks now I'm generally someone who values and kinda likes Randle. someone brought this up in another post in one of these threads (sorry I don't remember who) about Randle's numbers in the playoffs. That's a real question about him. One of those years I believe he was legit playing on a bum ankle but it's a legit concern. At this point he hasn't reached the point that D'Angelo Russell is where it feels like he simply is not a good player once it hits the playoffs. If Randle has another poor playoffs he will be close to that. How much do you pay a guy that you may not want to play starter minutes in the playoffs? Randle's salary is a big factor but how he can contribute in the playoffs is a pretty big factor to consider and I had that concern when the deal was made. It's not like Towns is some sort of awesome playoff guy himself but Randle has clearly been worse to this point.

4. Bradley Beal is only 31!?! Why did I think he was like 34? It almost feels like whoever has to take on the over 110 million he is owed after this season should get something for that.

I think you’ve make a pretty good case for why Utah might like that deal. Randle is a better player than Collins and should have more trade value next season on an expiring contract. But I still don’t see that as enough incentive for the Jazz to participate in that deal without getting something else of value.

[Monster]

That would be a great deal for Miami. They’d get rid of a toxic player and save a ton of money. The deal makes sense for Milwaukee. They’re desperate to get into contention with Giannis there and the optimal fit would be a scoring guard like Beal. The question with Beal is his health, but Milwaukee needs to roll the dice. I’m not crazy about swapping Randle for Collins. I think Collins is a cancer and there’s not evidence he helps win games. However, the swap would save the Wolves $3.5 million next season, which would help ensure we can sign Naz while getting below the 2nd apron and possibly the first apron as well. I’m not crazy about that deal for the Wolves, but it wouldn’t necessarily be terrible.

My question is: What does Utah get out of this deal? They’d probably want draft compensation and there’s no way the Wolves should give up any picks to swap Randle for Collins in my view. Actually, I’d want a 2nd round pick along with Collins since Randle is the better player of the two.

A couple things.

1. I believe Randle based on hoops hype that Randle still has some incentives on the last year of his contract and one of them is playing 65 games and making the playoffs so that's a little more money he could he owed.

2. Utah might make the deal because Randle is simply a better player than Collins so they may thing that despite a little more money they will have a better chance of moving him in a future deal. They may also figure there is also a better chance of Randle opting out than Collins which I think is true especially if he is stuck in Utah. I don't see Randle as a guy that's gonna just be cool playing out his last year on a total rebuild.

3. While I have not watched games for weeks now I'm generally someone who values and kinda likes Randle. someone brought this up in another post in one of these threads (sorry I don't remember who) about Randle's numbers in the playoffs. That's a real question about him. One of those years I believe he was legit playing on a bum ankle but it's a legit concern. At this point he hasn't reached the point that D'Angelo Russell is where it feels like he simply is not a good player once it hits the playoffs. If Randle has another poor playoffs he will be close to that. How much do you pay a guy that you may not want to play starter minutes in the playoffs? Randle's salary is a big factor but how he can contribute in the playoffs is a pretty big factor to consider and I had that concern when the deal was made. It's not like Towns is some sort of awesome playoff guy himself but Randle has clearly been worse to this point.

4. Bradley Beal is only 31!?! Why did I think he was like 34? It almost feels like whoever has to take on the over 110 million he is owed after this season should get something for that.

I think you’ve make a pretty good case for why Utah might like that deal. Randle is a better player than Collins and should have more trade value next season on an expiring contract. But I still don’t see that as enough incentive for the Jazz to participate in that deal without getting something else of value.

Yep I agree.