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Re: How far are you willing to go?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2026 9:38 pm
by AussieWolf3
rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 9:29 pm
AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 9:15 pm
Ok so where does the point guard of the future conversation start?
I'm guessing it's not at all possible, but I suppose Austin Reeves is technically an option. Personally I think he's overrated and I'd hate to bring in another suspect defender. He's disappeared in two playoffs runs now which isn't a great look for a guy who cashes his checks by being a tough shot maker.
Ja Morant is gonna get a lot of chatter so we might as well bring him up. If you told me he was gonna be healthy all year, Ant would give confident effort on defense all year, moved Randle, moved Rudy, and got a center that wouldn't clog the paint while still being a good rim protector.... I wouldn't hate it, but I guess that tells you all you need to know about what I think about this option and that doesn't even touch the fact he's probably toxic.
Kyrie Irving. I guess it makes sense, but I worry about his health, his age, and what he bring to the locker room
Suggs. I don't know his game super well other than being a really good defender which I like. Statically he does look like a point guard so there's that.
I'm not touching Ball
What's left? VanFleet?
Jamal Shead?
There's no doubt they should draft a point guard, but that doesn't solve anything for 26'
So what's the real solution for a point guard?
Maybe it is Ayo if he dedicates himself to setting up others next year. OKC's top assister is SGA at just 6.6 per game, OKC whole team only averages 25.8 assists per game which is lower than what we averaged at 26.1 assists per game. The Wolves were right in the middle of the pact with those 26.1 assists per game with Atlanta averaging the most at 30.1 per game. Maybe whoever we get for Randle or Rudy or whatever move we make is someone that can assist a little bit as well and it's a team effort where everyone gets several assists each.
I think that's exactly correct but I also think Finch wants more shot creation coming from the back court.
Ant definitely has to do a better job as floor manager and play maker --- like Q said --- and at the very least you need a better ball handler than Dante which Ayo probably is.
Idk I think if Ayo is the starter next year that's not great
I'm cool with Suggs cause I want better wing defenders but why would Orlando trade him?
I'm gonna be honest too, I don't think Randle is getting moved. Not saying that's what I'd do but I think there a better chance Rudy is moved than Randle
Re: How far are you willing to go?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2026 9:54 pm
by rapsuperstar31
AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 9:38 pm
rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 9:29 pm
AussieWolf3 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 9:15 pm
Ok so where does the point guard of the future conversation start?
I'm guessing it's not at all possible, but I suppose Austin Reeves is technically an option. Personally I think he's overrated and I'd hate to bring in another suspect defender. He's disappeared in two playoffs runs now which isn't a great look for a guy who cashes his checks by being a tough shot maker.
Ja Morant is gonna get a lot of chatter so we might as well bring him up. If you told me he was gonna be healthy all year, Ant would give confident effort on defense all year, moved Randle, moved Rudy, and got a center that wouldn't clog the paint while still being a good rim protector.... I wouldn't hate it, but I guess that tells you all you need to know about what I think about this option and that doesn't even touch the fact he's probably toxic.
Kyrie Irving. I guess it makes sense, but I worry about his health, his age, and what he bring to the locker room
Suggs. I don't know his game super well other than being a really good defender which I like. Statically he does look like a point guard so there's that.
I'm not touching Ball
What's left? VanFleet?
Jamal Shead?
There's no doubt they should draft a point guard, but that doesn't solve anything for 26'
So what's the real solution for a point guard?
Maybe it is Ayo if he dedicates himself to setting up others next year. OKC's top assister is SGA at just 6.6 per game, OKC whole team only averages 25.8 assists per game which is lower than what we averaged at 26.1 assists per game. The Wolves were right in the middle of the pact with those 26.1 assists per game with Atlanta averaging the most at 30.1 per game. Maybe whoever we get for Randle or Rudy or whatever move we make is someone that can assist a little bit as well and it's a team effort where everyone gets several assists each.
I think that's exactly correct but I also think Finch wants more shot creation coming from the back court.
Ant definitely has to do a better job as floor manager and play maker --- like Q said --- and at the very least you need a better ball handler than Dante which Ayo probably is.
Idk I think if Ayo is the starter next year that's not great
I'm cool with Suggs cause I want better wing defenders but why would Orlando trade him?
I'm gonna be honest too, I don't think Randle is getting moved. Not saying that's what I'd do but I think there a better chance Rudy is moved than Randle
Orlando may have cooled since being eliminated, but they were furious with Suggs in the playoffs saying they lost the series because of him. Apparently he wouldn't do the press conferences, and answer for his bad play which made fans even madder. I haven't looked at their message boards since they got eliminated so maybe they cooled off. He shot 29.9% from the field and 24.1% from three in the series Detroit won the final 3 games after Orlando when up 3-1 in the series, and Suggs put up 7/29 from the field in those three games and 8/41 in the last 4 games. He's a good defender, a good contract in that it decreases every season, but he's also injury prone.
Here's a funny thread right after Orlando got eliminated on the Magic's reddit page.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OrlandoMagic/c ... _the_game/
Re: How far are you willing to go?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2026 10:09 pm
by 60WinTim
Randle is going to be tough to find a home for. You've gotta find a team that has a need for a starting PF. Then you have to make the money work. And then you gotta hope that team has a player that you want and they are willing to give up! And when you fail at that exercise, you have to start looking at 3-team trades to make it work out. Good luck!
Here is a list of players that MIGHT be somehow available in either a 2 or 3 team trade.
KD
LaMelo
Garland
Jamal Murray
Kawhi
Ja
Gannis
Zion (or Dejounte)
Jrue Holiday
Kyrie Irving
I know it's not a popular target on this board, but LaMelo Ball might be a realistic possibility...
Re: How far are you willing to go?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2026 10:13 pm
by Q-is-here
Don't forget that Giannis also takes the ball out of Ant's hands to a large degree. Although he's not a PG, it allows for the actual PG to be less of a big shot creator/scoring threat since Giannis and Ant would be doing a ton of the half court heavy lifting. A guy like Ayo may work at PG in that scenario or even someone like Collin Gillespie (unrestricted free agent).
So "off ball Ant" doesn't automatically mean we have to get a high-end PG - it just may be another higher usage player that can break down the defense and set up guys.
Re: How far are you willing to go?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2026 10:15 pm
by Q-is-here
60WinTim wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 10:09 pm
Randle is going to be tough to find a home for. You've gotta find a team that has a need for a starting PF. Then you have to make the money work. And then you gotta hope that team has a player that you want and they are willing to give up! And when you fail at that exercise, you have to start looking at 3-team trades to make it work out. Good luck!
Here is a list of players that MIGHT be somehow available in either a 2 or 3 team trade.
KD
LaMelo
Garland
Jamal Murray
Kawhi
Ja
Gannis
Zion (or Dejounte)
Jrue Holiday
Kyrie Irving
I know it's not a popular target on this board, but LaMelo Ball might be a realistic possibility...
Good list Tim.
I really thought LaMelo matured this year and became a more sober, winning type player.....which is also why I wonder Charlotte would trade him (?). Seems like they have finally started to get something cooking there.
Re: How far are you willing to go?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2026 10:25 pm
by rapsuperstar31
60WinTim wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 10:09 pm
Randle is going to be tough to find a home for. You've gotta find a team that has a need for a starting PF. Then you have to make the money work. And then you gotta hope that team has a player that you want and they are willing to give up! And when you fail at that exercise, you have to start looking at 3-team trades to make it work out. Good luck!
Here is a list of players that MIGHT be somehow available in either a 2 or 3 team trade.
KD
LaMelo
Garland
Jamal Murray
Kawhi
Ja
Gannis
Zion (or Dejounte)
Jrue Holiday
Kyrie Irving
I know it's not a popular target on this board, but LaMelo Ball might be a realistic possibility...
I mean if Lebon James wants to try and jump Jordan, winning the Timberwolves first championship could be a great way to go out. 7.2 assists per game this year. Laker's seem pretty out on him, ready to move onto the Luka era.
Re: How far are you willing to go?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2026 10:25 pm
by 60WinTim
Q-is-here wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 10:15 pm
60WinTim wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 10:09 pm
Randle is going to be tough to find a home for. You've gotta find a team that has a need for a starting PF. Then you have to make the money work. And then you gotta hope that team has a player that you want and they are willing to give up! And when you fail at that exercise, you have to start looking at 3-team trades to make it work out. Good luck!
Here is a list of players that MIGHT be somehow available in either a 2 or 3 team trade.
KD
LaMelo
Garland
Jamal Murray
Kawhi
Ja
Gannis
Zion (or Dejounte)
Jrue Holiday
Kyrie Irving
I know it's not a popular target on this board, but LaMelo Ball might be a realistic possibility...
Good list Tim.
I really thought LaMelo matured this year and became a more sober, winning type player.....which is also why I wonder Charlotte would trade him (?). Seems like they have finally started to get something cooking there.
That's what I thought too, about LaMelo maturing. And maybe he's not really available. But they need to pay Coby White this offseason, and then Bridges, Miller and Diabate the next offseason. Ball's salary is in the 40s the next 3 seasons. It's a strong draft for PGs and Charlotte has 2 picks (14 and 18). There were reports of TC pursing Ball at the trade deadline (along with 97 other guys!). It makes me wonder if the situation could lend itself to something happening.
Re: How far are you willing to go?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2026 10:26 pm
by WildWolf2813
rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 8:10 pm
60WinTim wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 7:15 pm
Q-is-here wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 6:54 pm
It will be interesting indeed. I expect some major changes with Ant being perhaps the only player that's safe, with Jaden in the "pretty safe" category.
The thing is, I am only anticipating ONE major move: swapping out Randle (and Donte for salary filler?) for an ANT running mate that has more juice than Ayo. Other than that, I expect mostly status quo, including re-signing Ayo and bringing back Mike and SloMo. A few other odds and ends will be needed: the draft, decisions on Bones, Clark and Phillips, and possibly converting Rocco.
It is suppose to be the best point guard draft in a long time. Around 12 point guards could go in the first round. I'm not sure if Tim/Finch want to try their hand in the draft again for an immediate need after Rob.
the issue with picking later in the draft is that seemingly the guards that will be there at 28 are not much bigger in size than Dillingham. That's why I'd take a big at 28.
Re: How far are you willing to go?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2026 10:27 pm
by 60WinTim
WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 10:26 pm
rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 8:10 pm
60WinTim wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 7:15 pm
The thing is, I am only anticipating ONE major move: swapping out Randle (and Donte for salary filler?) for an ANT running mate that has more juice than Ayo. Other than that, I expect mostly status quo, including re-signing Ayo and bringing back Mike and SloMo. A few other odds and ends will be needed: the draft, decisions on Bones, Clark and Phillips, and possibly converting Rocco.
It is suppose to be the best point guard draft in a long time. Around 12 point guards could go in the first round. I'm not sure if Tim/Finch want to try their hand in the draft again for an immediate need after Rob.
the issue with picking later in the draft is that seemingly the guards that will be there at 28 are not much bigger in size than Dillingham. That's why I'd take a big at 28.
Or use #28 with Randle to trade for a playmaking guard...
Re: How far are you willing to go?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2026 10:45 pm
by WildWolf2813
60WinTim wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 10:27 pm
WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 10:26 pm
rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2026 8:10 pm
It is suppose to be the best point guard draft in a long time. Around 12 point guards could go in the first round. I'm not sure if Tim/Finch want to try their hand in the draft again for an immediate need after Rob.
the issue with picking later in the draft is that seemingly the guards that will be there at 28 are not much bigger in size than Dillingham. That's why I'd take a big at 28.
Or use #28 with Randle to trade for a playmaking guard...
I go back to what I said in the offseason outlook thread.
I proposed Randle to Brooklyn for Claxton and Saraf.
I don't think Randle moves you up in a draft. I don't think Randle gets you this magical 2nd option. You're just trying to unload him for a similar pain in the ass that you can better tolerate because that's his value.
I'm gonna be honest: the idea of the PG of the future, TC blew it with the Dillingham miss, mainly because he's spent so much draft capital to seek it out and salvage that whiff. It's either Ayo or take a major leap of faith on a guard who has failed elsewhere but try to revive him. For example, a Devin Carter in Sacramento, a Blake Wesley in Portland, Bub Carrington in Washington. It's time for Finch to do something he doesn't wanna do anymore and that's identify and develop young talent. Otherwise it's not coming unless you're down to deal McDaniels or Ant for a lottery ticket.