Vikings Offseason 2020

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Would you guys trade up to get Tua? I kind of like that line of let him sit for the year to fully heal up behind Kirk and then you have your rookie QB plan to build around moving forward. If we pick up some picks with Diggs that could facilitate the move.

[Wolvesfan21]

Would you guys trade up to get Tua? I kind of like that line of let him sit for the year to fully heal up behind Kirk and then you have your rookie QB plan to build around moving forward. If we pick up some picks with Diggs that could facilitate the move.

He's going too high probably. If he drops some then sure. I'm an Alabama fan but I'm not super high on Tua either. He has had the best WR's to throw too and his injury history is really concerning of course.

[Porckchop]

How can we get Lawrence next year should be the question. Trade our skill position players to bolster the line and let Cousins be the fall guy for a season and hope the dominoes fall our way. All in on Trevor!!

[Monster]

It feels like every couple years a worthwhile QB drops to the area of the 1st round the the Vikings will be picking. If a QB at that spot is too good to pass up you take him but that won't make the oline better. I just don't see how this franchise could trade up to get a QB. Whackier things have happened and if you really believe player X is a franchise QB then yes you do what you can to try and make it happen. I don't have enough of an informed opinion to say either way on a lot of the guys that are in anyway realistic. It would be really awesome to draft a stud LT. Legit starting QBs cost more but starting LTs aren't cheap either look at Reiff.

[Wolvesfan21]

It would cost likely 4 first rounders to move into the top 5. That's just too much too much draft capital to spend on Tua. Tua could be the next Russell Wilson (closest pro comparison) though, but he could also be worse or injured and much worse. I don't see anyway the Vikings are getting a top pick QB this year or next.

There are some backups that we could look at to prepare for (Mariota might be a nice backup, I would target him), again, I'm not anti-Cousins, I don't see him as the "issue" with the offense. If you can't run the ball it doesn't matter who you have. See Greenbay. How did they do with Rodgers against San Fran? It doesn't matter who your QB is if your OLine is bad. They even ran the ball OK. And Cousins had a better year statistically then Rodgers.

Oline help isn't sexy but it would make the most significant impact next year and for years to come. A strong running game would be huge, we haven't had a good OLine since 2006 I think. Since AP ran for 296.

[Monster]

It would cost likely 4 first rounders to move into the top 5. That's just too much too much draft capital to spend on Tua. Tua could be the next Russell Wilson (closest pro comparison) though, but he could also be worse or injured and much worse. I don't see anyway the Vikings are getting a top pick QB this year or next.

There are some backups that we could look at to prepare for (Mariota might be a nice backup, I would target him), again, I'm not anti-Cousins, I don't see him as the "issue" with the offense. If you can't run the ball it doesn't matter who you have. See Greenbay. How did they do with Rodgers against San Fran? It doesn't matter who your QB is if your OLine is bad. They even ran the ball OK. And Cousins had a better year statistically then Rodgers.

Oline help isn't sexy but it would make the most significant impact next year and for years to come. A strong running game would be huge, we haven't had a good OLine since 2006 I think. Since AP ran for 296.

The top snap count oline man for AP's MVP we're Kalil Charlie Johnson Sullivan Fusco and Phil Loadholt. 2 guys that plays a couple snaps were Geoff Schwartz and Joe Berger. Rhett Ellison and Jerome Felton should get some credit also. Looking back reminds me that the Vikings did have some legit bad luck. Loadholt has to retire at the age of what 28 or 29? He was a pretty good oline pick. Mike Harris was a pretty solid lineman that had to retire early also. The Vikings had a couple developmental guys that had issues that made them hang it up also. Imagine how much better the oline in say 2016 would have been with Harris and Loadholt as what like 30 year old lineman? Every team has some bad luck with injuries and the Vikings didn't put enough resources into the line but there was some bad luck that came their way in that area. They did end up with Joe Berger which saved them from that unit being a complete disaster multiple years.

One of the reasons the Cowboys were supposed to be like good was they spent a bunch of draft capital for a few years on oline man. Like you said it isn't sexy but it's something we need regardless.

There is going to be some interesting options available with the QB carousel this offseason. Maybe we end up with someone pretty good as a backup. Hell if we don't get one of the moderately intriguing younger guys can we get keenum to come back cheap? Lol Ok that ship has probably sailed...

[bleedspeed]

OC and Co-DC's names yesterday. I think the Vikings try to go after it one more year and then rebuild in 2021. This groups window is basically shut at this point. I think it would be better to go in full rebuild mode now and trade as many assists as you can when they have value.

This is an interesting offseason plan. I would be all for it.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/1/25/21081685/vikings-off-season-plan-v2-0

[Wolvesfan21]

It would cost likely 4 first rounders to move into the top 5. That's just too much too much draft capital to spend on Tua. Tua could be the next Russell Wilson (closest pro comparison) though, but he could also be worse or injured and much worse. I don't see anyway the Vikings are getting a top pick QB this year or next.

There are some backups that we could look at to prepare for (Mariota might be a nice backup, I would target him), again, I'm not anti-Cousins, I don't see him as the "issue" with the offense. If you can't run the ball it doesn't matter who you have. See Greenbay. How did they do with Rodgers against San Fran? It doesn't matter who your QB is if your OLine is bad. They even ran the ball OK. And Cousins had a better year statistically then Rodgers.

Oline help isn't sexy but it would make the most significant impact next year and for years to come. A strong running game would be huge, we haven't had a good OLine since 2006 I think. Since AP ran for 296.

The top snap count oline man for AP's MVP we're Kalil Charlie Johnson Sullivan Fusco and Phil Loadholt. 2 guys that plays a couple snaps were Geoff Schwartz and Joe Berger. Rhett Ellison and Jerome Felton should get some credit also. Looking back reminds me that the Vikings did have some legit bad luck. Loadholt has to retire at the age of what 28 or 29? He was a pretty good oline pick. Mike Harris was a pretty solid lineman that had to retire early also. The Vikings had a couple developmental guys that had issues that made them hang it up also. Imagine how much better the oline in say 2016 would have been with Harris and Loadholt as what like 30 year old lineman? Every team has some bad luck with injuries and the Vikings didn't put enough resources into the line but there was some bad luck that came their way in that area. They did end up with Joe Berger which saved them from that unit being a complete disaster multiple years.

One of the reasons the Cowboys were supposed to be like good was they spent a bunch of draft capital for a few years on oline man. Like you said it isn't sexy but it's something we need regardless.

There is going to be some interesting options available with the QB carousel this offseason. Maybe we end up with someone pretty good as a backup. Hell if we don't get one of the moderately intriguing younger guys can we get keenum to come back cheap? Lol Ok that ship has probably sailed...

AP was incredible with his yards after contact stats. I think at that time the line was good at run blocking but poorer at pass blocking which is what I remember. I remember the line being pretty exceptional in 2006 range, when AP ran for 296 against the Chargers. The holes he ran through reminded me more of the 90's Cowboys and Emmitt Smith.

Looking this up, PFF said they graded the line the best run blocking in 2012. So you are right in that I would say.



https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-dalvin-cooks-2019-campaign-rivaling-adrian-petersons-mvp-season

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

OC and Co-DC's names yesterday. I think the Vikings try to go after it one more year and then rebuild in 2021. This groups window is basically shut at this point. I think it would be better to go in full rebuild mode now and trade as many assists as you can when they have value.

This is an interesting offseason plan. I would be all for it.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/1/25/21081685/vikings-off-season-plan-v2-0

I think it is extremely unrealistic that 4 of our best players restructure in Diggs, Thielen, Barr and Hunter. That seems like magical Christmas land. Typically under performers do it, but not guys at the top of their game.

[bleedspeed]

OC and Co-DC's names yesterday. I think the Vikings try to go after it one more year and then rebuild in 2021. This groups window is basically shut at this point. I think it would be better to go in full rebuild mode now and trade as many assists as you can when they have value.

This is an interesting offseason plan. I would be all for it.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/1/25/21081685/vikings-off-season-plan-v2-0

I think it is extremely unrealistic that 4 of our best players restructure in Diggs, Thielen, Barr and Hunter. That seems like magical Christmas land. Typically under performers do it, but not guys at the top of their game.

It is all a math game. I would assume they would get more guaranteed money at the end of the contract.