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Maybe they want to trade KAT and build around Ant and JMac?

Sundog60 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Sundog60 wrote:Does anyone know when we might expect to hear about the Wolves and Vanderbilt? How might his deal be affected by this Markannen speculation?

Good question.

What the Wolves SHOULD do is sign Vanderbilt to an extension regardless of whether they acquire Markkanen. One problem Markkanen clearly doesn't address is our poor defense and rebounding, which means that Vanderbilt is just as valuable to the Wolves with Markkanen as they are without.

As for what might happen, it's hard to say with Rosas. One possibility is that Vanderbilt would be dealt to Chicago as part of the deal to deal to get Markkanen. I sure hope not. Another possibility is that the Wolves withdraw their qualifying offer, believing they no longer need Vanderbilt if Markkanen is on the team. I don't see the Wolves doing that since it would make no sense. My concern is that another team would swoop in with an offer that the Wolves would not be able to match without exceeding the luxury tax threshold because of the impact of Markkanen's salary.

I agree, Lip - I fervently hope the Wolves resign Vanderbilt. Like the fella that put this video together, I think Vanderbilt is a great fit with this roster and still has significant room (and commitment) to grow:

https://youtu.be/g8Quryl6Bgw

Finally watched the video (busy Friday at work, LOL).....it's a good one and basically this guy is making the case that he is an underrated free agent prospect that some team should throw a bit of money at. That will likely be us at this point.

Q12543 wrote:

Sundog60 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Sundog60 wrote:Does anyone know when we might expect to hear about the Wolves and Vanderbilt? How might his deal be affected by this Markannen speculation?

Good question.

What the Wolves SHOULD do is sign Vanderbilt to an extension regardless of whether they acquire Markkanen. One problem Markkanen clearly doesn't address is our poor defense and rebounding, which means that Vanderbilt is just as valuable to the Wolves with Markkanen as they are without.

As for what might happen, it's hard to say with Rosas. One possibility is that Vanderbilt would be dealt to Chicago as part of the deal to deal to get Markkanen. I sure hope not. Another possibility is that the Wolves withdraw their qualifying offer, believing they no longer need Vanderbilt if Markkanen is on the team. I don't see the Wolves doing that since it would make no sense. My concern is that another team would swoop in with an offer that the Wolves would not be able to match without exceeding the luxury tax threshold because of the impact of Markkanen's salary.

I agree, Lip - I fervently hope the Wolves resign Vanderbilt. Like the fella that put this video together, I think Vanderbilt is a great fit with this roster and still has significant room (and commitment) to grow:

https://youtu.be/g8Quryl6Bgw

Finally watched the video (busy Friday at work, LOL).....it's a good one and basically this guy is making the case that he is an underrated free agent prospect that some team should throw a bit of money at. That will likely be us at this point.

I thought the most interesting take-away from this video were Vanderbilt's passing and ball-handling (especially his passing). I wasn't surprised, because I already liked his passing and ball-handling after watching him this past season. Honestly, the only skill he doesn't have is shooting. And he also tends to make some bad decisions. His hands can be shaky at times, but I think that's just exuberance. Otherwise, he's already more than just a defender and he's a terrific high-energy defender as well as a terrific rebounder.

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

Sundog60 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Sundog60 wrote:Does anyone know when we might expect to hear about the Wolves and Vanderbilt? How might his deal be affected by this Markannen speculation?

Good question.

What the Wolves SHOULD do is sign Vanderbilt to an extension regardless of whether they acquire Markkanen. One problem Markkanen clearly doesn't address is our poor defense and rebounding, which means that Vanderbilt is just as valuable to the Wolves with Markkanen as they are without.

As for what might happen, it's hard to say with Rosas. One possibility is that Vanderbilt would be dealt to Chicago as part of the deal to deal to get Markkanen. I sure hope not. Another possibility is that the Wolves withdraw their qualifying offer, believing they no longer need Vanderbilt if Markkanen is on the team. I don't see the Wolves doing that since it would make no sense. My concern is that another team would swoop in with an offer that the Wolves would not be able to match without exceeding the luxury tax threshold because of the impact of Markkanen's salary.

I agree, Lip - I fervently hope the Wolves resign Vanderbilt. Like the fella that put this video together, I think Vanderbilt is a great fit with this roster and still has significant room (and commitment) to grow:

https://youtu.be/g8Quryl6Bgw

Finally watched the video (busy Friday at work, LOL).....it's a good one and basically this guy is making the case that he is an underrated free agent prospect that some team should throw a bit of money at. That will likely be us at this point.

I thought the most interesting take-away from this video were Vanderbilt's passing and ball-handling (especially his passing). I wasn't surprised, because I already liked his passing and ball-handling after watching him this past season. Honestly, the only skill he doesn't have is shooting. And he also tends to make some bad decisions. His hands can be shaky at times, but I think that's just exuberance. Otherwise, he's already more than just a defender and he's a terrific high-energy defender as well as a terrific rebounder.

You can tell even in this video his hands aren't always great. I think he has improved in that area (it was something Denver fans and media said was something he struggled with) and obviously his hands overall are an asset (deflections still good rebounder) but if he had really good hands I think he could be more of that pressure on the rim lob threat. Lip you might have a point some of his hands issues are exuberance.

Regardless if the Wolves sign him AND he takes a legit step forward this year (not out of the realm of possibility) as a player that will help the roster and it will also be a bit of a feather in Rosas cap for finding/acquiring worthwhile players outside of them being 1st round picks.

Kristian Winfield: Lauri Markkanen and Kelly Oubre Jr asked for too much money in free agency without the resume to back it up, a league source just told me. The market has cooled significantly on both with most teams out of money. Mavs ($15M) & Hornets ($14.5M) among teams w cap space. 2 days ago - via Twitter Krisplashed

The San Antonio Spurs had interest in signing Lauri Markkanen in free agency, but his asking price exceeded what they were willing to pay, according to Brian Windhorst on The Hoop Collective. San Antonio, however, signed Zach Collins to a three-year, $22 million deal despite his multiple ankle surgeries. The number San Antonio gave Collins offers some insight into what Markkanen is seeking well beyond that.

I think we know why the Wolves haven't completed a deal for Markkanen. It would be idiotic to pay him north of $20M per year with his injury history, mediocre stats and defensive limitations. Perhaps he'll eventually come to his senses and settle for something close to the $12.5M per year that Oubre eventually accepted. I think $14M per year would be reasonable for Markkanen. Maybe a little more. But certainly nothing close to $20 or more.

But there aren't many options left for Lauri. So at some point he and his agent will have to face the reality of the marketplace. If Rosas really wants him, he should bide his time and give him the full-court recruitment press, short of offering anything close to what he's apparently been seeking. Again, that's if Rosas wants him. If it were me, I wouldn't pursue him.

The Miami Heat and Omer Yurtseven have agreed on 2 year deal according to Luke Glass who is the son of Keith Glass, Yurtseven's agent. In the 2 summer league games, Yurtseven has averaged 26 points and 13.5 rebounds.

Tony Bradley signed a 2-year deal with the Bulls worth $1.9M per year. Obviously, the Wolves had the financial ability to sign him. Rosas appears to be keeping his powder dry for the big deal. Maybe it's Markkanen. Maybe Turner. Perhaps Simmons. In any event, Rosas seems to have a penchant for aiming high and missing while ignoring and losing much more realistic targets that could help move the ball forward a bit.

lipoli390 wrote:Tony Bradley signed a 2-year deal with the Bulls worth $1.9M per year. Obviously, the Wolves had the financial ability to sign him. Rosas appears to be keeping his powder dry for the big deal. Maybe it's Markkanen. Maybe Turner. Perhaps Simmons. In any event, Rosas seems to have a penchant for aiming high and missing while ignoring and losing much more realistic targets that could help move the ball forward a bit.

The Bulls have had a pretty great off season, haven't they? Wow.

Camden0916 wrote:It appears to me that Gersson Rosas took his ball and went home this off-season. What I deduced from Jon Krawczynski's article in The Athletic this morning is that the Wolves feel priced out on the remaining notable free agents and they're unwilling to give up the assets necessary to acquire a needle-moving player via trade. Specifically, it appears they are holding firm on Jaden McDaniels as he's more and more coveted around the league (shocker).

Minnesota will almost certainly retain their own restricted free agents Jarred Vanderbilt and Jordan McLaughlin, and run it back this season to see what the group can produce in a full season. You're probably looking at the starting power forward in Vando and the primary backup point guard in J-Mac.

Rosas and Chris Finch also appear ready to talk ad nauseum about continuity, player development, and trusting the talent on the roster. Those will be the repetitive talking points the entire season. If we're lucky, we might even see another trip to the Bahamas and a family dinner at the Taylor's residence. Does anyone know if Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore like meatloaf and bedtime stories? Oof.

To some extent I don't really care what they say (unless it's really ridiculous or they are being jerks) I'm more interested in the results.

I personally like the idea that next offseason they will have some sort of reasonable financial flexibility to sigma. Worthwhile FA plus those three 2nd rounders. I mean they aren't gonna have the ability to do anything wildly drastic that some teams have with massive amounts of cap space but it could list add something to help the roster take the next step. They still have a nice group of expiring contracts to possibly make a deal in season. You never know what will be available in a few weeks or months.

monsterpile wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:It appears to me that Gersson Rosas took his ball and went home this off-season. What I deduced from Jon Krawczynski's article in The Athletic this morning is that the Wolves feel priced out on the remaining notable free agents and they're unwilling to give up the assets necessary to acquire a needle-moving player via trade. Specifically, it appears they are holding firm on Jaden McDaniels as he's more and more coveted around the league (shocker).

Minnesota will almost certainly retain their own restricted free agents Jarred Vanderbilt and Jordan McLaughlin, and run it back this season to see what the group can produce in a full season. You're probably looking at the starting power forward in Vando and the primary backup point guard in J-Mac.

Rosas and Chris Finch also appear ready to talk ad nauseum about continuity, player development, and trusting the talent on the roster. Those will be the repetitive talking points the entire season. If we're lucky, we might even see another trip to the Bahamas and a family dinner at the Taylor's residence. Does anyone know if Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore like meatloaf and bedtime stories? Oof.

To some extent I don't really care what they say (unless it's really ridiculous or they are being jerks) I'm more interested in the results.

I personally like the idea that next offseason they will have some sort of reasonable financial flexibility to sigma. Worthwhile FA plus those three 2nd rounders. I mean they aren't gonna have the ability to do anything wildly drastic that some teams have with massive amounts of cap space but it could list add something to help the roster take the next step. They still have a nice group of expiring contracts to possibly make a deal in season. You never know what will be available in a few weeks or months.

I agree, Monster. I've thought from the outset that it was unrealistic to believe this team could be improved significantly by trades this summer. The truth is you have to give to get, which makes it hard to achieve significant net improvement in that way unless you give up first-round draft picks. The Wolves were behind the eight ball this summer because they have no first or second round pick due to the DLO trade and no financial flexibility as they entered the off season knocking on the door of the luxury tax. Rosas was constrained by circumstances -- and they were circumstances of his own making. But I'll give him credit for not panicking and doing something dumb that would do little if anything to help in the short term and likely hurt the team in the longer term.

This is Gersson's roster. He thought this team was going to be a playoff contender the moment he traded for DLO, Beasley and Juancho. He believed in a KAT-DLO core. He now has Edwards and McDaniels as additions to that core. And he finally has a competent (actually I think a very good) head coach. So let's see what happens.

The Wolves will have some significant financial flexibility next off-season that they don't have now. They will also have their 1st round pick along with three 2nd-round picks. So they'll things to work with they simply don't have now to improve the team.