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khans2k5 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TheSP wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:- Andrew Wiggins is absolutely a bust as far as top overall picks go. He is not a franchise player nor is he even an above average NBA player. Point blank, period.
Why do you always have to look through the lens of his draft position? Other than that i refuse to get in an argument with you over Wiggins
- You can underrate Jimmy Butler all you want to, but the main difference between a 30-win team and contending for the third-seed in the Western Conference last year was the guy from Tomball. His impact is real on both ends of the court and the numbers illustrate this. The guy is a top-10 player in a star-studded league. That's just the truth of it.

You're a beauty. Contending for the 3rd seed, hahahahaha. We made the playoffs by winning the last game of the season in OT. And you know why? Because Butler got hurt like he always does. No availability means less ability. That's the truth. Top 10? Please.

We were 2 games from the 3 seed. We were the clear cut 3rd best team in the West when Jimmy was in the lineup beating everyone below us in the standings contending with us. It's just flat out ignorant to downplay Jimmy's impact and how good we were with him in the lineup. 60% winning percentage with him (3rd best in the conference) and 47% without him (9th or 10th best). It's fine to hate the guy for what he's pulling, but it's absolute bullshit to use the play-in game playoff berth as a reason Jimmy isn't a top 10-15 player. He handled his business on the court and the winning percentage reflects the impact of a top 10-15 player. Add in the fact that this team looks fucking pathetic without him so far this year and it's pretty clear his impact will be missed on this team.

Don't you think this goes well beyond just Jimmy? I think the key young players have quit of Thibs as he's every bit as intense as Jimmy and they clearly don't like being pushed, at least not to my eyes.

If the young guys have quit at all then they need to check themselves at the door. You don't get to quit on the team that's paying you 30 million dollars and get a pass because your coach and teammate are pricks. If they've quit then you should just ship them out because that's bullshit to do when you are 22-23 and that's your first reaction when you've been challenged to be better professionals.

So Butler didn't "quit" when he abandoned the team after the playoff loss? If I'm a teammate on that plane, I can't even imagine the anger I would feel.

How do you quit on the team after the season is already over? He didn't get on a plane for Christ's sake. Oh by the way those same teammates who might have a problem with that didn't even interact with each other this summer at all so don't try to play this he's the bad teammate and they're all dandy. None of them give a shit about each other except for the veterans who actually seem to like Jimmy and not Wiggins and Towns. He hitched his own ride after the season was over. You're just overdramatizing what actually went down. If anyone was actually mad that he didn't take a plane back with them then they need to grow the fuck up. The veterans seem to be fine with Jimmy and actually want him back even after all this shit has gone down. That's what professionals do and how they act. They look past small shit like not riding home with them in the heat of the moment. They show up to work to win games.

If Jimmy was such a bad person and teammate and quit on the team he wouldn't have the support of the coaching staff and his teammates at all and yet there only seem to be 2 who have a problem with him right now. Oh and those 2 just happen to be the spoiled brats not getting their way after they signed 30 million dollar deals. Jimmy and Thibs will be gone soon enough though and you can go back to enjoying a 30 win team run by spoiled brats who have no leadership skills. Just don't come back here bitching about it when it happens.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:Both Josh Richardson and Bam Adebayo have big games for the Heat today:

Richardson = 25 points on 9-16 (4-7 from 3), 4 rebounds and 3 assists. Solid.

Adebayo = 26 points on 11-17, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 blocks and 3 steals. Woah!

Yes it's only preseason but surely this bumps up there value and give Miami a bit of leverage at bargaining table.

Wow, that trumps anything Jimmy's done this preseason. I'll take those two guys and call it a day.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TheSP wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

Camden wrote:- Andrew Wiggins is absolutely a bust as far as top overall picks go. He is not a franchise player nor is he even an above average NBA player. Point blank, period.
Why do you always have to look through the lens of his draft position? Other than that i refuse to get in an argument with you over Wiggins
- You can underrate Jimmy Butler all you want to, but the main difference between a 30-win team and contending for the third-seed in the Western Conference last year was the guy from Tomball. His impact is real on both ends of the court and the numbers illustrate this. The guy is a top-10 player in a star-studded league. That's just the truth of it.

You're a beauty. Contending for the 3rd seed, hahahahaha. We made the playoffs by winning the last game of the season in OT. And you know why? Because Butler got hurt like he always does. No availability means less ability. That's the truth. Top 10? Please.

We were 2 games from the 3 seed. We were the clear cut 3rd best team in the West when Jimmy was in the lineup beating everyone below us in the standings contending with us. It's just flat out ignorant to downplay Jimmy's impact and how good we were with him in the lineup. 60% winning percentage with him (3rd best in the conference) and 47% without him (9th or 10th best). It's fine to hate the guy for what he's pulling, but it's absolute bullshit to use the play-in game playoff berth as a reason Jimmy isn't a top 10-15 player. He handled his business on the court and the winning percentage reflects the impact of a top 10-15 player. Add in the fact that this team looks fucking pathetic without him so far this year and it's pretty clear his impact will be missed on this team.

Don't you think this goes well beyond just Jimmy? I think the key young players have quit of Thibs as he's every bit as intense as Jimmy and they clearly don't like being pushed, at least not to my eyes.

If the young guys have quit at all then they need to check themselves at the door. You don't get to quit on the team that's paying you 30 million dollars and get a pass because your coach and teammate are pricks. If they've quit then you should just ship them out because that's bullshit to do when you are 22-23 and that's your first reaction when you've been challenged to be better professionals.

So Butler didn't "quit" when he abandoned the team after the playoff loss? If I'm a teammate on that plane, I can't even imagine the anger I would feel.

How do you quit on the team after the season is already over? He didn't get on a plane for Christ's sake. Oh by the way those same teammates who might have a problem with that didn't even interact with each other this summer at all so don't try to play this he's the bad teammate and they're all dandy. None of them give a shit about each other except for the veterans who actually seem to like Jimmy and not Wiggins and Towns. He hitched his own ride after the season was over. You're just overdramatizing what actually went down. If anyone was actually mad that he didn't take a plane back with them then they need to grow the fuck up. The veterans seem to be fine with Jimmy and actually want him back even after all this shit has gone down. That's what professionals do and how they act. They look past small shit like not riding home with them in the heat of the moment. They show up to work to win games.

If Jimmy was such a bad person and teammate and quit on the team he wouldn't have the support of the coaching staff and his teammates at all and yet there only seem to be 2 who have a problem with him right now. Oh and those 2 just happen to be the spoiled brats not getting their way after they signed 30 million dollar deals. Jimmy and Thibs will be gone soon enough though and you can go back to enjoying a 30 win team run by spoiled brats who have no leadership skills. Just don't come back here bitching about it when it happens.

How do you quit on the team after the season is over? Really? Everybody else is on the plane. And how about demanding a trade? Is that not quitting on the team too?

The way you view things I'm guessing you've never been on an athletic team to be able to understand the dynamics of the group. At least not above a rec level. But you're clueless if you think all the vets on the team support his antics. Are you making that judgement by what Teague said today? What's he supposed to say? "Butler is an ass and we're just going to tolerate him as long as he's here"? You're problem is you don't believe the stupid shit you say, but you just don't like people to step up and challenge you. You're not always right Khans. There's no shame in being disagreed with once in a while.

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:Both Josh Richardson and Bam Adebayo have big games for the Heat today:

Richardson = 25 points on 9-16 (4-7 from 3), 4 rebounds and 3 assists. Solid.

Adebayo = 26 points on 11-17, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 blocks and 3 steals. Woah!

Yes it's only preseason but surely this bumps up there value and give Miami a bit of leverage at bargaining table.

Wow, that trumps anything Jimmy's done this preseason. I'll take those two guys and call it a day.

When the news first broke that Butler wanted to be traded, I commented that the Wolves needed to deal him quickly. I made the point that our leverage wasn't likely to increase and could decrease. There are too many fators that could drive down Butler's value relative to the players we want in return. Richardson and Adebayo playing well is one example. The dysfunction at the Wolves practice with Butler is another example. Also, Butler could get hurt in practice. Teams get focused on and emamoured of the players they currently have. This is not good. Thibodeau isn't even a good head coach and that's his specialty. He's certainly not someone we should rely on for high stakes trade negotiations.

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:Both Josh Richardson and Bam Adebayo have big games for the Heat today:

Richardson = 25 points on 9-16 (4-7 from 3), 4 rebounds and 3 assists. Solid.

Adebayo = 26 points on 11-17, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 blocks and 3 steals. Woah!

Yes it's only preseason but surely this bumps up there value and give Miami a bit of leverage at bargaining table.

Wow, that trumps anything Jimmy's done this preseason. I'll take those two guys and call it a day.

When the news first broke that Butler wanted to be traded, I commented that the Wolves needed to deal him quickly. I made the point that our leverage wasn't likely to increase and could decrease. There are too many fators that could drive down Butler's value relative to the players we want in return. Richardson and Adebayo playing well is one example. The dysfunction at the Wolves practice with Butler is another example. Also, Butler could get hurt in practice. Teams get focused on and emamoured of the players they currently have. This is not good. Thibodeau isn't even a good head coach and that's his specialty. He's certainly not someone we should rely on for high stakes trade negotiations.

To be fair to thibs (he should be ripped constantly), Richardson wasn't even on the table until the last few days. He still shouldn't take a terrible deal

sjm34 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:Both Josh Richardson and Bam Adebayo have big games for the Heat today:

Richardson = 25 points on 9-16 (4-7 from 3), 4 rebounds and 3 assists. Solid.

Adebayo = 26 points on 11-17, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 blocks and 3 steals. Woah!

Yes it's only preseason but surely this bumps up there value and give Miami a bit of leverage at bargaining table.

Wow, that trumps anything Jimmy's done this preseason. I'll take those two guys and call it a day.

When the news first broke that Butler wanted to be traded, I commented that the Wolves needed to deal him quickly. I made the point that our leverage wasn't likely to increase and could decrease. There are too many fators that could drive down Butler's value relative to the players we want in return. Richardson and Adebayo playing well is one example. The dysfunction at the Wolves practice with Butler is another example. Also, Butler could get hurt in practice. Teams get focused on and emamoured of the players they currently have. This is not good. Thibodeau isn't even a good head coach and that's his specialty. He's certainly not someone we should rely on for high stakes trade negotiations.

To be fair to thibs (he should be ripped constantly), Richardson wasn't even on the table until the last few days. He still shouldn't take a terrible deal

Watching Beadle, Rose, and SVG last night, one of them stated that BAM and JRich were already part of the offer to the wolves.

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:Both Josh Richardson and Bam Adebayo have big games for the Heat today:

Richardson = 25 points on 9-16 (4-7 from 3), 4 rebounds and 3 assists. Solid.

Adebayo = 26 points on 11-17, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 blocks and 3 steals. Woah!

Yes it's only preseason but surely this bumps up there value and give Miami a bit of leverage at bargaining table.

Wow, that trumps anything Jimmy's done this preseason. I'll take those two guys and call it a day.

When the news first broke that Butler wanted to be traded, I commented that the Wolves needed to deal him quickly. I made the point that our leverage wasn't likely to increase and could decrease. There are too many fators that could drive down Butler's value relative to the players we want in return. Richardson and Adebayo playing well is one example. The dysfunction at the Wolves practice with Butler is another example. Also, Butler could get hurt in practice. Teams get focused on and emamoured of the players they currently have. This is not good. Thibodeau isn't even a good head coach and that's his specialty. He's certainly not someone we should rely on for high stakes trade negotiations.

To be fair to thibs (he should be ripped constantly), Richardson wasn't even on the table until the last few days. He still shouldn't take a terrible deal

sjm34 wrote:Found this interesting -

In a meeting on Monday, Butler told Thibodeau this is how it would go, sources said. He wasn't going to sit by and be quiet and have his desires ignored. Butler had also made clear that he wanted to sit down to discuss several issues with Towns, including the timing of his contract signing, as a means to challenge the young center about being up front and honest, league sources said. It is unclear if that meeting has taken place.
- via The Athletic

This makes it sound like a trade might not be a foregone conclusion.