Twins 2020 Off-season Thread

[bleedspeed]

I don't really agree with this article.
http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/minnesota-twins-minor-leagues/3-twins-prospects-impacted-by-josh-donaldsons-signing-r8864

I would think Royce Lewis and Nick Gordon are impacted by signing Donaldson.

I saw this guy mentioned in comments. I forgot all about him. Luke Raley
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=raley-000luc

[Monster]

I don't really agree with this article.
http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/minnesota-twins-minor-leagues/3-twins-prospects-impacted-by-josh-donaldsons-signing-r8864

I would think Royce Lewis and Nick Gordon are impacted by signing Donaldson.

I saw this guy mentioned in comments. I forgot all about him. Luke Raley
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=raley-000luc

Sano is gonna play a ton at 1b so that's an impact at least for this season if Sano and Cruz stay relatively healthy. I hadn't known Raley played and had a nice Fall league but my brother mentioned that last week. I'm a Raley fan and it sounds like he is able to do more than just be a guy that plays because of his bat. It feels like the Twins have lots of options which is good in a lot of ways including trades. It also feels like they don't really have a guy that actually projects as the next 3b of the future so signing and having Donaldson there for at least 2 years makes a lot of sense. Has Donaldson signed yet? Have we made a 40 man roster move? Sorry I haven't been keeping up.

[bleedspeed]

I can see Sano playing a handful of games at 3B even if Donaldson is healthy. I think Royce Lewis is the 3B of the future. Alex Kirilloff is the LF/!B of the future replacing Rosario. I don't see us trading either unless it is for an ACE that is not a rental.


Interesting read on the Pros and Cons to Josh Donaldson
https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1655467

[Jester1534]

I can see Sano playing a handful of games at 3B even if Donaldson is healthy. I think Royce Lewis is the 3B of the future. Alex Kirilloff is the LF/!B of the future replacing Rosario. I don't see us trading either unless it is for an ACE that is not a rental.


Interesting read on the Pros and Cons to Josh Donaldson
https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1655467

It will all work out in a year. Cruz will retire most likely. Sano will be a full time DH or Larnach or Rooker.

Rosario will be in the last year of his deal if he's not traded by then. So that leaves left field to be open for Kirilloff or Larnach as well.

As for Royce Lewis I believe he won't stick in the infield and will play centerfield. Which means if Buxton injuries continue or he doesn't produce he will be replaced by Lewis. At the end of the day say Lewis bat doesn't progress he would still be the the twins 9 hitter foreseeable future.

Nick Gordon is nothing but at utility infielder who's upside is Adrianza level role player.

Edit: Also Lewis played CF in the Arizona Fall League

[Monster]

I can see Sano playing a handful of games at 3B even if Donaldson is healthy. I think Royce Lewis is the 3B of the future. Alex Kirilloff is the LF/!B of the future replacing Rosario. I don't see us trading either unless it is for an ACE that is not a rental.


Interesting read on the Pros and Cons to Josh Donaldson
https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1655467

It will all work out in a year. Cruz will retire most likely. Sano will be a full time DH or Larnach or Rooker.

Rosario will be in the last year of his deal if he's not traded by then. So that leaves left field to be open for Kirilloff or Larnach as well.

As for Royce Lewis I believe he won't stick in the infield and will play centerfield. Which means if Buxton injuries continue or he doesn't produce he will be replaced by Lewis. At the end of the day say Lewis bat doesn't progress he would still be the the twins 9 hitter foreseeable future.

Nick Gordon is nothing but at utility infielder who's upside is Adrianza level role player.

Edit: Also Lewis played CF in the Arizona Fall League

I see Gordon as more of a utility guy because he can play various places but sticking at the major league level because his bat will he good enough to play/not be an easy out. Adrianza was more of a guy that you played because of his defense and his bat was not bad enough to get rid of him. More of a Nunez instead of an Escobar/adrianza earlier in their careers. So yeah we probably agree just fleshing our how I get there. I think some team with an infield need should go after Gordon in a trade for the price it would likely cost to get him. As we have seen with a couple of guys mentioned in my post...some guys break out and be really worthwhile. It would be nice if Gordon could stay healthy that's been part of what has held him back.

It's interesting that Lewis was one of the top speed guys and in terms of baseball IQ in that baseball executive poll. Speed and smarts does sound like a good recipe for a CF.

If Cruz has another good year does he really retire?

[Jester1534]

I can see Sano playing a handful of games at 3B even if Donaldson is healthy. I think Royce Lewis is the 3B of the future. Alex Kirilloff is the LF/!B of the future replacing Rosario. I don't see us trading either unless it is for an ACE that is not a rental.


Interesting read on the Pros and Cons to Josh Donaldson
https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1655467

It will all work out in a year. Cruz will retire most likely. Sano will be a full time DH or Larnach or Rooker.

Rosario will be in the last year of his deal if he's not traded by then. So that leaves left field to be open for Kirilloff or Larnach as well.

As for Royce Lewis I believe he won't stick in the infield and will play centerfield. Which means if Buxton injuries continue or he doesn't produce he will be replaced by Lewis. At the end of the day say Lewis bat doesn't progress he would still be the the twins 9 hitter foreseeable future.

Nick Gordon is nothing but at utility infielder who's upside is Adrianza level role player.

Edit: Also Lewis played CF in the Arizona Fall League

I see Gordon as more of a utility guy because he can play various places but sticking at the major league level because his bat will he good enough to play/not be an easy out. Adrianza was more of a guy that you played because of his defense and his bat was not bad enough to get rid of him. More of a Nunez instead of an Escobar/adrianza earlier in their careers. So yeah we probably agree just fleshing our how I get there. I think some team with an infield need should go after Gordon in a trade for the price it would likely cost to get him. As we have seen with a couple of guys mentioned in my post...some guys break out and be really worthwhile. It would be nice if Gordon could stay healthy that's been part of what has held him back.

It's interesting that Lewis was one of the top speed guys and in terms of baseball IQ in that baseball executive poll. Speed and smarts does sound like a good recipe for a CF.

If Cruz has another good year does he really retire?

No clue on Cruz I'm just assuming he retires. There's never really been anyone who's hit to his level as a near 40 year old. At the end of the day Father Time is still undefeated unfortunately.

[Monster]

I can see Sano playing a handful of games at 3B even if Donaldson is healthy. I think Royce Lewis is the 3B of the future. Alex Kirilloff is the LF/!B of the future replacing Rosario. I don't see us trading either unless it is for an ACE that is not a rental.


Interesting read on the Pros and Cons to Josh Donaldson
https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1655467

It will all work out in a year. Cruz will retire most likely. Sano will be a full time DH or Larnach or Rooker.

Rosario will be in the last year of his deal if he's not traded by then. So that leaves left field to be open for Kirilloff or Larnach as well.

As for Royce Lewis I believe he won't stick in the infield and will play centerfield. Which means if Buxton injuries continue or he doesn't produce he will be replaced by Lewis. At the end of the day say Lewis bat doesn't progress he would still be the the twins 9 hitter foreseeable future.

Nick Gordon is nothing but at utility infielder who's upside is Adrianza level role player.

Edit: Also Lewis played CF in the Arizona Fall League

I see Gordon as more of a utility guy because he can play various places but sticking at the major league level because his bat will he good enough to play/not be an easy out. Adrianza was more of a guy that you played because of his defense and his bat was not bad enough to get rid of him. More of a Nunez instead of an Escobar/adrianza earlier in their careers. So yeah we probably agree just fleshing our how I get there. I think some team with an infield need should go after Gordon in a trade for the price it would likely cost to get him. As we have seen with a couple of guys mentioned in my post...some guys break out and be really worthwhile. It would be nice if Gordon could stay healthy that's been part of what has held him back.

It's interesting that Lewis was one of the top speed guys and in terms of baseball IQ in that baseball executive poll. Speed and smarts does sound like a good recipe for a CF.

If Cruz has another good year does he really retire?

No clue on Cruz I'm just assuming he retires. There's never really been anyone who's hit to his level as a near 40 year old. At the end of the day Father Time is still undefeated unfortunately.

You mean like David Ortiz? Lol ;)

[Jester1534]

I can see Sano playing a handful of games at 3B even if Donaldson is healthy. I think Royce Lewis is the 3B of the future. Alex Kirilloff is the LF/!B of the future replacing Rosario. I don't see us trading either unless it is for an ACE that is not a rental.


Interesting read on the Pros and Cons to Josh Donaldson
https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1655467

It will all work out in a year. Cruz will retire most likely. Sano will be a full time DH or Larnach or Rooker.

Rosario will be in the last year of his deal if he's not traded by then. So that leaves left field to be open for Kirilloff or Larnach as well.

As for Royce Lewis I believe he won't stick in the infield and will play centerfield. Which means if Buxton injuries continue or he doesn't produce he will be replaced by Lewis. At the end of the day say Lewis bat doesn't progress he would still be the the twins 9 hitter foreseeable future.

Nick Gordon is nothing but at utility infielder who's upside is Adrianza level role player.

Edit: Also Lewis played CF in the Arizona Fall League

I see Gordon as more of a utility guy because he can play various places but sticking at the major league level because his bat will he good enough to play/not be an easy out. Adrianza was more of a guy that you played because of his defense and his bat was not bad enough to get rid of him. More of a Nunez instead of an Escobar/adrianza earlier in their careers. So yeah we probably agree just fleshing our how I get there. I think some team with an infield need should go after Gordon in a trade for the price it would likely cost to get him. As we have seen with a couple of guys mentioned in my post...some guys break out and be really worthwhile. It would be nice if Gordon could stay healthy that's been part of what has held him back.

It's interesting that Lewis was one of the top speed guys and in terms of baseball IQ in that baseball executive poll. Speed and smarts does sound like a good recipe for a CF.

If Cruz has another good year does he really retire?

No clue on Cruz I'm just assuming he retires. There's never really been anyone who's hit to his level as a near 40 year old. At the end of the day Father Time is still undefeated unfortunately.

You mean like David Ortiz? Lol ;)

Touché. I'll spin this then lol. Nelson Cruz will have Ops of over a thousand and twins will win the World Series and therefore Cruz will retire on top. Opening a spot for Rooker in the line Up :)

[Monster]

A couple random things.

I see Castro signed a 1 year deal with the angels for 6.85 million. Angels dropped Adalberto Mejia who was signed to a minor league deal by the White Sox.

Alex Gordon is back with the Royals ona 1 year 4 million dollar deal. Seems like a cheap deal but I think they were already paying him a chunk of money on an option year. Gordon is a local guy I have a friend that played HS ball with him. I'm glad he is back with KC and I hope he has another solid year.

So Donaldson is signed and no other move has been made that I have seen. What's the deal? It seems like there wasn't a spot for him on the 40 man. I mean I could find someone to let go but I'm really curious.

[Monster]

The Offseason Is Upon us so I thought I give my Early plan on what to do with the team. The Twins are interesting position having all these young guys locked into arbitration or nice long-term deals like Kepler and Polanco. As of right now accounting for arbitration the twin's payroll sits around 69 Million. Two years ago, the Twins had a payroll of 130 Million and last year payroll was 120 million. Based on the increase revenue this year and I'm sure many season tickets the sold for next year we should be an around 140 million but let's be honest were in a winning window so let's bump it up to 145-150 Million.

This give the Twins around 75 million Dollars to play with so this my offseason plan.
With Jake Ordozzi getting the QO which I suspect he will take that's 18 million off the books. To be fair I been writing this since Saturday in my original plan I did suggest giving him the QO.

Now to fix the rest of the rotation

Zach Wheeler: (4 Years 72 million)
I think Zach is perfect fit for Wes Johnson. He has 97 mph fastball and is ready to take the next step to quality ace in his career. He has a strong 9.0 K/9 which I think with Wes tinkering can even go higher. I don't feel comfortable with Strasburg arm holding up for 6 years and there's to many reports of Cole going to somewhere on the West coast.

Robbie Ray (10.8 million 2020/Sign to extension like Wheeler (18-20 mil per year subtract 9 million Eddie Rosario)
I believe the Twins should trade Eddie Rosario, Jordy Blaze and Brent Rooker)
Why the Diamondbacks do this trade they get a clean up hitter to play left field. David Pelrata hit .275 with only 12 home runs in that ballpark playing left field for them. They also get a ready guy in Rooker to compete for a job at first base and a top 100 prospect in Jordy Blaze to eventually replace Ray. Why the Twins do it is because the same reason I would sign Zach Wheeler. There's potential huge upside to this guy.

Anthony Rendon (8 Years 264 Million)
So, I just traded our cleanup hitter but I'm replacing him with a Bonafede stud in Rendon. Rendon is the perfect for any team but especially ours. He can take over 3rd for Sano and Sano can make the change to first base during the offseason. Also, he has playoff experience now =)

I move Marwin to Left field till Larnach or Killroff are ready to take over halfway through the year.

Extend Byron Buxton his estimate is going to be around 3 million this year in arbitration. So, I would offer him 6 for 60 million. Let's be honest if he's healthy he's worth way more but the problem is he's never healthy. I think it's a team friendly deal that works for both parts involved. (7millon more per year)

I like all these deals because they help us now. The only guy we have left to lock up that's a starter is Sano but with Odo coming off the books you can give that 18 million to Sano or give Sano the QO offer as well. I Spent 85Million to put our pay roll 154 Million. Yes, I did overspend by 4 million, but I think its worth it to lock up Buxton. Let me know what you think of the plan. Hopefully the Pohlad's finally open the checkbook.

It's interesting to look back at Jester's plan in light of what happened this offseason. The rotation wasn't addressed but Wheeler cost more than what was expected both in terms of yearly salary and 5 years. Donaldson was signed to man 3b and could be a pretty huge signing. The Twins didn't use up any assets other than giving up a pick to sign Donaldson so a trade at some point is certainly possible. To me this team will likely he plenty competitive (unless disaster strikes the rotation) so it's more about the playoffs than just becoming better. A trade in season might make sense. Of course The Twins traded for Odo in February so you never know what kind of move could be made in the next few days/weeks.