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I share the same opinion about Wig as many here...sometimes frustrated when he was a T-Wolf because I didn't see him consistently reaching his enormous potential, but also happy to see him succeeding with the Warriors. Similar to Zach Lavine, he always seemed like a good guy, so it's easy to continue to cheer for him. And he has really stepped up- arguably the Warriors' second best player in the finals despite playing next to three perennial all-stars. Good for Wig!

I don't know that any NBA fans outside of Minnesota are still debating who won the trade though...

"DLO whined when he had to share the ball with Ricky and he was not thrilled with the idea of the Wolves drafting LaMelo Ball"

It's exactly this kind of language with no supporting documentation that doomed Wiggins. DLO's comments were that he trusted Rubio more than ANYONE. This board was convinced 3 years ago that Butler had a problem with Wiggins and that he was lazy....in spite of what was actually said.

I never gave up on Wiggins. I'm not even close to giving up on DLO.

leado01 wrote:"DLO whined when he had to share the ball with Ricky and he was not thrilled with the idea of the Wolves drafting LaMelo Ball"

It's exactly this kind of language with no supporting documentation that doomed Wiggins. DLO's comments were that he trusted Rubio more than ANYONE. This board was convinced 3 years ago that Butler had a problem with Wiggins and that he was lazy....in spite of what was actually said.

I never gave up on Wiggins. I'm not even close to giving up on DLO.

Well, I lived through all of it, so I know what I know. But I too have never given up on Wiggs. I have always viewed Wiggins as a talented player that could reach his ceiling if properly utilized under a good coach and I never advocated trading him. I was strongly opposed to the Wiggins/DLO trade. Wiggins stock was way down and DLO's stock was at its peak. Selling low and buying high is not smart. Wiggins improvement was a direct result of a team willing to put him in a position to succeed and playing to his strengths and finally he had good coaching and support. DLO has already had good coaching in Atkinson and Finch. I'd worry if DLO got another big contract and is no longer playing for a contract as he brought this up before the season started. I believe DLO on a max contract is an albatross on this franchise and its time to bring in some fresh talent to build a better core. I'm ok with riding out DLO's contract for another year if there aren't any good trade offers to pursue, but my preference would be to look to add point guard talent in either the draft or free agency to plan ahead for a post-DLO environment.

KG4Ever wrote:

leado01 wrote:Lip,

The reason this debate matters is because we're going through the same machinations regarding DLO right now.

Wiggins literally did what he was asked to do in a Timberwolves uniform. He took 20% more steps than anybody else on the team, played the most minutes, and recieved the HOT POTATO .

The reason this debate matters is because we're having it again with DLO. Wiggins has a clear role with GS. DLO is playing his new role very well with MN as a facilitator and defensive coach on the floor.

We need to learn that players with unique skill sets can take awhile to figure out what their role needs to be.

Wiggins doesn't look that much different in a GS UNI than he did with us.

But there are differences here. DLO has had two very good coaches in Atkinson and Finch who have maximized his strengths but Wiggins didn't have that until he was coached under Kerr. I am not surprised at all by Wiggins success on the Warriors. I don't see DLO being a good fit here unless he takes a lot less money and plays a sixth man role, and I just don't see DLO accepting that. He whined when he had to share the ball with Ricky and he was not thrilled with the idea of the Wolves drafting LaMelo Ball and sharing the ball. I don't want to accommodate DLO anymore, he is not a good fit and he is vastly overpaid.

I don't love the Wiggins was coached by bad coaches and Dlo had good coaches. In wiggins 5 and a half years as a wolf he was coached by 3 COY awards and also Flip. Yes Ryan was bad but let's not act like Wiggins has terrible coaches though out his time here.

I'm happy for Wiggins, nice dude who didn't live up to the #1 overall pick. It is what it is, he doesn't suck, just wouldn't of work with the wolves in the that context. It is what it is.

I think it's fair to say that Dlo helped the wolves more then Wiggins had/would have and Wiggins has helped the Warriors more than Dlo had/would have.

I would be cool in the summer of 2023 Dlo and Wiggins both on the wolves for around 20 million a year

KG4Ever wrote:

leado01 wrote:"DLO whined when he had to share the ball with Ricky and he was not thrilled with the idea of the Wolves drafting LaMelo Ball"

It's exactly this kind of language with no supporting documentation that doomed Wiggins. DLO's comments were that he trusted Rubio more than ANYONE. This board was convinced 3 years ago that Butler had a problem with Wiggins and that he was lazy....in spite of what was actually said.

I never gave up on Wiggins. I'm not even close to giving up on DLO.

Well, I lived through all of it, so I know what I know. But I too have never given up on Wiggs. I have always viewed Wiggins as a talented player that could reach his ceiling if properly utilized under a good coach and I never advocated trading him. I was strongly opposed to the Wiggins/DLO trade. Wiggins stock was way down and DLO's stock was at its peak. Selling low and buying high is not smart. Wiggins improvement was a direct result of a team willing to put him in a position to succeed and playing to his strengths and finally he had good coaching and support. DLO has already had good coaching in Atkinson and Finch. I'd worry if DLO got another big contract and is no longer playing for a contract as he brought this up before the season started. I believe DLO on a max contract is an albatross on this franchise and its time to bring in some fresh talent to build a better core. I'm ok with riding out DLO's contract for another year if there aren't any good trade offers to pursue, but my preference would be to look to add point guard talent in either the draft or free agency to plan ahead for a post-DLO environment.

This is pretty well stated here KG. I don't even want to entertain the idea of extending DLO. If he has to stay here for another year because we can't find a trade, so be it. But absolutely do not talk about even a 1 year extension. does That would be foolish.

I'd like to add the reason Wiggins is helping the Warriors to a world championship is he is a very talented basketball player. He always has been. He's also been good in the clutch throughout his career. Not only in game, but in the biggest games. So there should be no surprise he's stepped forward in this playoff year. He's gifted, has a great body, and displays a level of cool few can in the big moments. The last thing he does is shrink under the brightest lights. Hopefully he will soon have a well deserved ring on his finger and another big payday.

FNG wrote:I share the same opinion about Wig as many here...sometimes frustrated when he was a T-Wolf because I didn't see him consistently reaching his enormous potential, but also happy to see him succeeding with the Warriors. Similar to Zach Lavine, he always seemed like a good guy, so it's easy to continue to cheer for him. And he has really stepped up- arguably the Warriors' second best player in the finals despite playing next to three perennial all-stars. Good for Wig!

I don't know that any NBA fans outside of Minnesota are still debating who won the trade though...

Homers with an agenda only

kekgeek1 wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:

leado01 wrote:Lip,

The reason this debate matters is because we're going through the same machinations regarding DLO right now.

Wiggins literally did what he was asked to do in a Timberwolves uniform. He took 20% more steps than anybody else on the team, played the most minutes, and recieved the HOT POTATO .

The reason this debate matters is because we're having it again with DLO. Wiggins has a clear role with GS. DLO is playing his new role very well with MN as a facilitator and defensive coach on the floor.

We need to learn that players with unique skill sets can take awhile to figure out what their role needs to be.

Wiggins doesn't look that much different in a GS UNI than he did with us.

But there are differences here. DLO has had two very good coaches in Atkinson and Finch who have maximized his strengths but Wiggins didn't have that until he was coached under Kerr. I am not surprised at all by Wiggins success on the Warriors. I don't see DLO being a good fit here unless he takes a lot less money and plays a sixth man role, and I just don't see DLO accepting that. He whined when he had to share the ball with Ricky and he was not thrilled with the idea of the Wolves drafting LaMelo Ball and sharing the ball. I don't want to accommodate DLO anymore, he is not a good fit and he is vastly overpaid.

I don't love the Wiggins was coached by bad coaches and Dlo had good coaches. In wiggins 5 and a half years as a wolf he was coached by 3 COY awards and also Flip. Yes Ryan was bad but let's not act like Wiggins has terrible coaches though out his time here.

I'm happy for Wiggins, nice dude who didn't live up to the #1 overall pick. It is what it is, he doesn't suck, just wouldn't of work with the wolves in the that context. It is what it is.

I think it's fair to say that Dlo helped the wolves more then Wiggins had/would have and Wiggins has helped the Warriors more than Dlo had/would have.

I would be cool in the summer of 2023 Dlo and Wiggins both on the wolves for around 20 million a year

Kek, c'mon. One led his team to the brink of an NBA championship. The other really did nothing but be a contributor to an improved team. We are not talking on the same plane here.

The most over used argument on this board is regarding DLO and us getting to 46 wins. Sure, DLO was a part of that. You don't have to rehash the same tired stats that point to his record with KAT. I get it and it has some merit. But getting to 46 wins had a lot more variables than just DLO and KAT teaming up. I could list them, but most of us know what they are. Patrick Beverly had a higher WAR than DLO did last year. So you could legitimately say he had more of an effect on getting to 46 wins than DLO had. Without DLO we would have won less than 46 games, but not many less. Put the 46 win argument to bed.

leado01 wrote:Lip,

The reason this debate matters is because we're going through the same machinations regarding DLO right now.

Wiggins literally did what he was asked to do in a Timberwolves uniform. He took 20% more steps than anybody else on the team, played the most minutes, and recieved the HOT POTATO .

The reason this debate matters is because we're having it again with DLO. Wiggins has a clear role with GS. DLO is playing his new role very well with MN as a facilitator and defensive coach on the floor.

We need to learn that players with unique skill sets can take awhile to figure out what their role needs to be.

Wiggins doesn't look that much different in a GS UNI than he did with us.

I don't see the same parallel you see, leado. Wiggins underperformed both his contract and talent while here. In my view, DLO hasn't underperformed his talent. He's been exactly who I thought he'd be. I never thought he was a max-level talent, but I thought he was a good player who had already been selected to an NBA all-star team. And he was definitely a key to the Wolves winning 46 games last season. I don't think we have anything to learn from the Wiggins situation except that continuity, coaching and surrounding talent all matter when it comes to getting the most out of players. But we knew that already.

FNG wrote:I share the same opinion about Wig as many here...sometimes frustrated when he was a T-Wolf because I didn't see him consistently reaching his enormous potential, but also happy to see him succeeding with the Warriors. Similar to Zach Lavine, he always seemed like a good guy, so it's easy to continue to cheer for him. And he has really stepped up- arguably the Warriors' second best player in the finals despite playing next to three perennial all-stars. Good for Wig!

I don't know that any NBA fans outside of Minnesota are still debating who won the trade though...

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

FNG wrote:I share the same opinion about Wig as many here...sometimes frustrated when he was a T-Wolf because I didn't see him consistently reaching his enormous potential, but also happy to see him succeeding with the Warriors. Similar to Zach Lavine, he always seemed like a good guy, so it's easy to continue to cheer for him. And he has really stepped up- arguably the Warriors' second best player in the finals despite playing next to three perennial all-stars. Good for Wig!

I don't know that any NBA fans outside of Minnesota are still debating who won the trade though...

Yep. I'd say the Warriors won the trade. But no telling whether Wiggins would have developed into the player he's become if he had stayed here. That's something we just can't know.

KG4Ever wrote:

leado01 wrote:"DLO whined when he had to share the ball with Ricky and he was not thrilled with the idea of the Wolves drafting LaMelo Ball"

It's exactly this kind of language with no supporting documentation that doomed Wiggins. DLO's comments were that he trusted Rubio more than ANYONE. This board was convinced 3 years ago that Butler had a problem with Wiggins and that he was lazy....in spite of what was actually said.

I never gave up on Wiggins. I'm not even close to giving up on DLO.

Well, I lived through all of it, so I know what I know. But I too have never given up on Wiggs. I have always viewed Wiggins as a talented player that could reach his ceiling if properly utilized under a good coach and I never advocated trading him. I was strongly opposed to the Wiggins/DLO trade. Wiggins stock was way down and DLO's stock was at its peak. Selling low and buying high is not smart. Wiggins improvement was a direct result of a team willing to put him in a position to succeed and playing to his strengths and finally he had good coaching and support. DLO has already had good coaching in Atkinson and Finch. I'd worry if DLO got another big contract and is no longer playing for a contract as he brought this up before the season started. I believe DLO on a max contract is an albatross on this franchise and its time to bring in some fresh talent to build a better core. I'm ok with riding out DLO's contract for another year if there aren't any good trade offers to pursue, but my preference would be to look to add point guard talent in either the draft or free agency to plan ahead for a post-DLO environment.

Russell has stated publicly a number a number of times the last 3 years he likes playing off the ball with another ball handler.