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Re: Around the league thread 2021-2022

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:44 pm
by FNG
Regarding your point about the starting lineup, I suspect Gupta & Co. are going to be paying REALLY close attention to these next couple of weeks. We get a chance to compare ourselves to the best of the best within a very short time period and at a time when it appears our team is (mostly) healthy and clicking. That will tell us a lot about this squad's limitations and ceiling and what our sense of urgency should be re: the trade deadline.


I couldn't agree more, Q. This next few weeks have a chance to finally show us who these guys are, because I don't think Gupta or anyone else does yet. We looked quite good at the start of the season playing against team's missing one or more of their best starters, and then terrible when we lost 8 out of 9 and then followed up with another 5 losses in a row. And finally our offense has looked nothing short of spectacular the past four games against admittedly horrible teams. So we really don't know much yet and the next three weeks are critical. Gupta should feel lucky to have the benefit of this brutal stretch before the trade deadline. If we can be anywhere near .500 by the end of this run, I think he will choose to stand pat...betting that this core can continue to improve. But if we go on another losing bend like we did earlier in the season, I think he will do some major reshuffling in February. This is going to be interesting!

So it starts tonight in New Orleans. They are still missing their best player, and yet have managed to play .500 ball the past ten games. The Wolves are favored by anywhere from 1 to 3 1/2 points depending on where you look...I think the uncertainty of PatBev's availability accounts for the disparity. I think a solid win would be very meaningful tonight, and I'm really looking forward to watching the replay tomorrow morning.


My goal was for us to win 3 out of 4 of these easier games. We've won 3 out of 3 so far, so we're playing with house money tonight as far as I'm concerned! Bad nights are going to happen sometimes, especially on the road, which is why I didn't assume we'd sweep all four games.

The REAL test to me comes in the remaining January schedule after tonight. We will definitely lose our fair share of games. But how close are the losses? How many wins do we pick off? Would love to come out of January no more than two or three games under .500. If we're three games below .500 or better at the end of January, I think we stand pat at the trade deadline.


Yeah, that's almost exactly where I am, Q. I also saw us winning 3 of the 4 "easier" games, so a win tonight would be big. I'm not as optimistic as you though about the rest of the month. I would turn cartwheels if we could end the month 2 or 3 below .500, but I think we will need a lot of our early season health luck to recur to get to that record...i.e. we stay almost totally healthy, and our opponents continue to have at least one star out (like tonight). The news that PatBev is back and starting really improves our chances, I think. Anyways, this will be a fun one tonight. I'm looking forward to a close look at defensive savant Herbert Jones.

Re: Around the league thread 2021-2022

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:29 pm
by kekgeek
Lillard is having surgery that could be season ending

Re: Around the league thread 2021-2022

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:35 pm
by KiwiMatt
kekgeek1 wrote:Lillard is having surgery that could be season ending


Also Paul George could be out for rest of season. No excuse for finishing below those two teams in the standings now.

Re: Around the league thread 2021-2022

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:34 am
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Adrian Wojnarowski

"ESPN Sources: The Atlanta Hawks are trading forward Cam Reddish to the New York Knicks for a deal that includes a protected 2022 first-round pick via Charlotte. Knicks also acquire Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick via Brooklyn in trade."


This was an expected outcome. Interesting fit for the Knicks, though. I suppose he'll fill the hole they had after Reggie Bullock signed with the Mavericks.

I didn't have much interest in Cam Reddish. He's a very inconsistent shooter who doesn't bring much else besides above average physical size. The lightbulb just hasn't gone off for that kid. Maybe Tom Thibodeau will help him realize his potential.

Re: Around the league thread 2021-2022

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:10 am
by AbeVigodaLive
Camden wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski

"ESPN Sources: The Atlanta Hawks are trading forward Cam Reddish to the New York Knicks for a deal that includes a protected 2022 first-round pick via Charlotte. Knicks also acquire Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick via Brooklyn in trade."


This was an expected outcome. Interesting fit for the Knicks, though. I suppose he'll fill the hole they had after Reggie Bullock signed with the Mavericks.

I didn't have much interest in Cam Reddish. He's a very inconsistent shooter who doesn't bring much else besides above average physical size. The lightbulb just hasn't gone off for that kid. Maybe Tom Thibodeau will help him realize his potential.



He's played only 60 games the past two seasons. But he is shooting 37.9% on three pointers so far this season... after going 9 - 14 on 3fg in 4 games in the ECF last year. Young guys carving out an effective role in a deep playoff series can be telling... sometimes.

And there's been some improvement. He was embarrassingly bad starting his career... shooting 32% over his first 30 or so games. He improved every month that season. Last year was a wash -- until that brief playoff run.

How much better can he get? Dunno. I'm definitely not a Cam Reddish expert. Nor even a fan... I just remember how disappointing and "meh" he was in college. Now, he gets to reunite with Barrett.


[Note: As for Solomon Hill... is he the most "meh" player in NBA history? How long until he sneaks into a couple starting lineups in NY though?]

Re: Around the league thread 2021-2022

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:21 am
by FNG
I guess there's one thing you can say about Reddish...he's consistent. He was a sub-40% shooter in college (and a subpar 3-point shooter) and he still is. And he averaged more turnovers than assists at Duke, and he still does in the pros. I've always thought he had some potential on defense, but his defensive metrics have never been very good. I didn't think he deserved to be the 10th pick in the draft. The only 2019 lottery pick who has performed worse than him is...yep, Jarrett Culver.

Re: Around the league thread 2021-2022

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:17 pm
by WildWolf2813
Bol Bol trade got voided.

I say to hell with it.

Layman + protected second for Bol Bol and then we can evaluate his health a little better

Re: Around the league thread 2021-2022

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:23 pm
by Monster
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Camden wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski

"ESPN Sources: The Atlanta Hawks are trading forward Cam Reddish to the New York Knicks for a deal that includes a protected 2022 first-round pick via Charlotte. Knicks also acquire Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick via Brooklyn in trade."


This was an expected outcome. Interesting fit for the Knicks, though. I suppose he'll fill the hole they had after Reggie Bullock signed with the Mavericks.

I didn't have much interest in Cam Reddish. He's a very inconsistent shooter who doesn't bring much else besides above average physical size. The lightbulb just hasn't gone off for that kid. Maybe Tom Thibodeau will help him realize his potential.



He's played only 60 games the past two seasons. But he is shooting 37.9% on three pointers so far this season... after going 9 - 14 on 3fg in 4 games in the ECF last year. Young guys carving out an effective role in a deep playoff series can be telling... sometimes.

And there's been some improvement. He was embarrassingly bad starting his career... shooting 32% over his first 30 or so games. He improved every month that season. Last year was a wash -- until that brief playoff run.

How much better can he get? Dunno. I'm definitely not a Cam Reddish expert. Nor even a fan... I just remember how disappointing and "meh" he was in college. Now, he gets to reunite with Barrett.


[Note: As for Solomon Hill... is he the most "meh" player in NBA history? How long until he sneaks into a couple starting lineups in NY though?]


Reddish will always have last year's playoffs where he convinced some fans he was gonna be a really good player. It sounds like Reddish has struggled this year including his supposed competent or better D that surprisingly showed up last year isn't the case. It seems like a decent gamble for the Knicks and the Hawks get a 1st round pick back. At one point I thought they would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick back for him because he I believe he was similarly statically as bad as Culver his rookie year but a worse defender.

Meanwhile Kevin Knox is just 21 days older than Reddish.

Atlanta also saves some money in the deal.

Re: Around the league thread 2021-2022

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:14 pm
by kekgeek
monsterpile wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Camden wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski

"ESPN Sources: The Atlanta Hawks are trading forward Cam Reddish to the New York Knicks for a deal that includes a protected 2022 first-round pick via Charlotte. Knicks also acquire Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick via Brooklyn in trade."


This was an expected outcome. Interesting fit for the Knicks, though. I suppose he'll fill the hole they had after Reggie Bullock signed with the Mavericks.

I didn't have much interest in Cam Reddish. He's a very inconsistent shooter who doesn't bring much else besides above average physical size. The lightbulb just hasn't gone off for that kid. Maybe Tom Thibodeau will help him realize his potential.



He's played only 60 games the past two seasons. But he is shooting 37.9% on three pointers so far this season... after going 9 - 14 on 3fg in 4 games in the ECF last year. Young guys carving out an effective role in a deep playoff series can be telling... sometimes.

And there's been some improvement. He was embarrassingly bad starting his career... shooting 32% over his first 30 or so games. He improved every month that season. Last year was a wash -- until that brief playoff run.

How much better can he get? Dunno. I'm definitely not a Cam Reddish expert. Nor even a fan... I just remember how disappointing and "meh" he was in college. Now, he gets to reunite with Barrett.


[Note: As for Solomon Hill... is he the most "meh" player in NBA history? How long until he sneaks into a couple starting lineups in NY though?]


Reddish will always have last year's playoffs where he convinced some fans he was gonna be a really good player. It sounds like Reddish has struggled this year including his supposed competent or better D that surprisingly showed up last year isn't the case. It seems like a decent gamble for the Knicks and the Hawks get a 1st round pick back. At one point I thought they would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick back for him because he I believe he was similarly statically as bad as Culver his rookie year but a worse defender.

Meanwhile Kevin Knox is just 21 days older than Reddish.

Atlanta also saves some money in the deal.


There is a video back when Ant was in HS and he was with other future pros like Maxey and he was asked who is the toughest player he has ever guarded and he said Reddish and everyone in the room agreed. For some reason that still sticks with me. Haha

Re: Around the league thread 2021-2022

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:27 pm
by FNG
kekgeek1 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Camden wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski

"ESPN Sources: The Atlanta Hawks are trading forward Cam Reddish to the New York Knicks for a deal that includes a protected 2022 first-round pick via Charlotte. Knicks also acquire Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick via Brooklyn in trade."


This was an expected outcome. Interesting fit for the Knicks, though. I suppose he'll fill the hole they had after Reggie Bullock signed with the Mavericks.

I didn't have much interest in Cam Reddish. He's a very inconsistent shooter who doesn't bring much else besides above average physical size. The lightbulb just hasn't gone off for that kid. Maybe Tom Thibodeau will help him realize his potential.



He's played only 60 games the past two seasons. But he is shooting 37.9% on three pointers so far this season... after going 9 - 14 on 3fg in 4 games in the ECF last year. Young guys carving out an effective role in a deep playoff series can be telling... sometimes.

And there's been some improvement. He was embarrassingly bad starting his career... shooting 32% over his first 30 or so games. He improved every month that season. Last year was a wash -- until that brief playoff run.

How much better can he get? Dunno. I'm definitely not a Cam Reddish expert. Nor even a fan... I just remember how disappointing and "meh" he was in college. Now, he gets to reunite with Barrett.


[Note: As for Solomon Hill... is he the most "meh" player in NBA history? How long until he sneaks into a couple starting lineups in NY though?]


Reddish will always have last year's playoffs where he convinced some fans he was gonna be a really good player. It sounds like Reddish has struggled this year including his supposed competent or better D that surprisingly showed up last year isn't the case. It seems like a decent gamble for the Knicks and the Hawks get a 1st round pick back. At one point I thought they would be lucky to get a 2nd round pick back for him because he I believe he was similarly statically as bad as Culver his rookie year but a worse defender.

Meanwhile Kevin Knox is just 21 days older than Reddish.

Atlanta also saves some money in the deal.


There is a video back when Ant was in HS and he was with other future pros like Maxey and he was asked who is the toughest player he has ever guarded and he said Reddish and everyone in the room agreed. For some reason that still sticks with me. Haha


Yeah, I remember that too. And that's why Reddish was such an enormous disappointment to me at Duke (and in the pros). In some ways he is a (very) poor man's Andrew Wiggins...another guy who everyone said was the toughest guy to guard in his class from the time he was 14 on. Obviously he's been better than Reddish both in college and in the pros, but he was also drafted first rather than 10th. Reddish will always be a mystery to me.
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