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And nunnally hits 3 3pters and logs 25 minutes off the street while we're cant give him 25 minutes in half a season when we lack 3 of shooting.

Not surprised.
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crazy-canuck wrote:And nunnally hits 3 3pters and logs 25 minutes off the street while we're cant give him 25 minutes in half a season when we lack 3 of shooting.

Not surprised.



To be fair... Houston is running a gimmick system. Nunnally is there to stand and wait and wait and wait and wait until he shoots an open three pointer.

I have no problem with seeing Nunnally gone after I saw how easily gimpy, broken-down Gordon Hayward blew past him a couple weeks ago.



[Note: Houston took 70 three pointers yesterday. 70! James Harden has scored 115 points over the past two games... not one of those baskets was assisted. I don't find them enjoyable to watch.]
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crazy-canuck wrote:And nunnally hits 3 3pters and logs 25 minutes off the street while we're cant give him 25 minutes in half a season when we lack 3 of shooting.

Not surprised.

I'm not suprised either, c-c. Any fool could see that he had a nice shooting stroke, and could fill a need the Wolves had. But he just didn't fit into the tiny little basketball box Thibs has always lived in...not a strong one-on-one end of quarter player... so we just wasted a potential asset. The fact that he couldn't get minutes even after Rob went down, and is now playing OT minutes for the Rockets is absurd. If Ryan was involved in the decision to let him go, then he bears some responsibility here too. But since the Thibs' firing and James' release were announced at the same time, I think Ryan gets a pass on this one. Reason number 1047 that the Thibs era will always be remembered as the Dark Ages.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
crazy-canuck wrote:And nunnally hits 3 3pters and logs 25 minutes off the street while we're cant give him 25 minutes in half a season when we lack 3 of shooting.

Not surprised.



To be fair... Houston is running a gimmick system. Nunnally is there to stand and wait and wait and wait and wait until he shoots an open three pointer.

I have no problem with seeing Nunnally gone after I saw how easily gimpy, broken-down Gordon Hayward blew past him a couple weeks ago.



[Note: Houston took 70 three pointers yesterday. 70! James Harden has scored 115 points over the past two games... not one of those baskets was assisted. I don't find them enjoyable to watch.]


I just watched the last few minutes of this game. Nunnally hit a 3 late in overtime and the Rockets were up 7 points with 1:31 to go and lost. He passed up a Teague like open 3 to drive and got blocked in the paint by Jared Allen. He also got blown past by Dinwiddie for a key possession at the end of the game. Of course if Austin Rivers hits a wide open 3 at the end of the game off a pass by Harden Houston wins.
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monsterpile wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
crazy-canuck wrote:And nunnally hits 3 3pters and logs 25 minutes off the street while we're cant give him 25 minutes in half a season when we lack 3 of shooting.

Not surprised.



To be fair... Houston is running a gimmick system. Nunnally is there to stand and wait and wait and wait and wait until he shoots an open three pointer.

I have no problem with seeing Nunnally gone after I saw how easily gimpy, broken-down Gordon Hayward blew past him a couple weeks ago.



[Note: Houston took 70 three pointers yesterday. 70! James Harden has scored 115 points over the past two games... not one of those baskets was assisted. I don't find them enjoyable to watch.]


I just watched the last few minutes of this game. Nunnally hit a 3 late in overtime and the Tockets were up 7 points with 1:31 to go and lost. He passed up a Teague like open 3 to drive and got blocked in the paint by Jared Allen. He also got blown past by Dinwiddie for a key possession at the end of the game. Of course if Austin Rivers hits a wide open 3 at the end of the game off a pass by Harden Houston wins.

Yeah, I'm not saying Nunnely is a complete player by any means...there's a reason he has spent most of his time in Europe or the minors. And Abe is right that the Houston situation is ideal for him to do what he does best. I'm just frustrated that we can't develop a similar corner three offense, but instead continue to rely on one-on-one offense. Maybe Ryan can change this culture, we'll see.
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longstrangetrip wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
crazy-canuck wrote:And nunnally hits 3 3pters and logs 25 minutes off the street while we're cant give him 25 minutes in half a season when we lack 3 of shooting.

Not surprised.



To be fair... Houston is running a gimmick system. Nunnally is there to stand and wait and wait and wait and wait until he shoots an open three pointer.

I have no problem with seeing Nunnally gone after I saw how easily gimpy, broken-down Gordon Hayward blew past him a couple weeks ago.



[Note: Houston took 70 three pointers yesterday. 70! James Harden has scored 115 points over the past two games... not one of those baskets was assisted. I don't find them enjoyable to watch.]


I just watched the last few minutes of this game. Nunnally hit a 3 late in overtime and the Tockets were up 7 points with 1:31 to go and lost. He passed up a Teague like open 3 to drive and got blocked in the paint by Jared Allen. He also got blown past by Dinwiddie for a key possession at the end of the game. Of course if Austin Rivers hits a wide open 3 at the end of the game off a pass by Harden Houston wins.

Yeah, I'm not saying Nunnely is a complete player by any means...there's a reason he has spent most of his time in Europe or the minors. And Abe is right that the Houston situation is ideal for him to do what he does best. I'm just frustrated that we can't develop a similar corner three offense, but instead continue to rely on one-on-one offense. Maybe Ryan can change this culture, we'll see.



Speaking of one-on-one offense... did you miss the part about Harden scoring 115 points without anybody passing him the ball over the past two games?

That entire offense is literally 1-on-5 right now.

Harden's usage rate vs. Memphis on Monday was a ridiculous 61%... so that team right now is literally the worst example you could use for a free-flowing offense.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
crazy-canuck wrote:And nunnally hits 3 3pters and logs 25 minutes off the street while we're cant give him 25 minutes in half a season when we lack 3 of shooting.

Not surprised.



To be fair... Houston is running a gimmick system. Nunnally is there to stand and wait and wait and wait and wait until he shoots an open three pointer.

I have no problem with seeing Nunnally gone after I saw how easily gimpy, broken-down Gordon Hayward blew past him a couple weeks ago.



[Note: Houston took 70 three pointers yesterday. 70! James Harden has scored 115 points over the past two games... not one of those baskets was assisted. I don't find them enjoyable to watch.]


I just watched the last few minutes of this game. Nunnally hit a 3 late in overtime and the Tockets were up 7 points with 1:31 to go and lost. He passed up a Teague like open 3 to drive and got blocked in the paint by Jared Allen. He also got blown past by Dinwiddie for a key possession at the end of the game. Of course if Austin Rivers hits a wide open 3 at the end of the game off a pass by Harden Houston wins.

Yeah, I'm not saying Nunnely is a complete player by any means...there's a reason he has spent most of his time in Europe or the minors. And Abe is right that the Houston situation is ideal for him to do what he does best. I'm just frustrated that we can't develop a similar corner three offense, but instead continue to rely on one-on-one offense. Maybe Ryan can change this culture, we'll see.



Speaking of one-on-one offense... did you miss the part about Harden scoring 115 points without anybody passing him the ball over the past two games?

That entire offense is literally 1-on-5 right now.

Harden's usage rate vs. Memphis on Monday was a ridiculous 61%... so that team right now is literally the worst example you could use for a free-flowing offense.

Unbelievable. Yeah, Harden is unstoppable in terms of getting off a shot, and needs no help to do it. But he also had 6 assists last night, and 12 in successive games last week and I would argue that most of those assists were to a wide open guy in the corner. Harden is unique, so it's difficult to project his style of play to any other team. But still it seems to be that a lot of teams do the second part of what Harden does...find a way to get the ball the into the corner. But not us. Creating a corner three seems to be the key to many successful offenses these days, and whether you do it the Harden way or in a more traditional ball movement way, it's effective...and the Wolves just haven't caught up.
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longstrangetrip wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
crazy-canuck wrote:And nunnally hits 3 3pters and logs 25 minutes off the street while we're cant give him 25 minutes in half a season when we lack 3 of shooting.

Not surprised.



To be fair... Houston is running a gimmick system. Nunnally is there to stand and wait and wait and wait and wait until he shoots an open three pointer.

I have no problem with seeing Nunnally gone after I saw how easily gimpy, broken-down Gordon Hayward blew past him a couple weeks ago.



[Note: Houston took 70 three pointers yesterday. 70! James Harden has scored 115 points over the past two games... not one of those baskets was assisted. I don't find them enjoyable to watch.]


I just watched the last few minutes of this game. Nunnally hit a 3 late in overtime and the Tockets were up 7 points with 1:31 to go and lost. He passed up a Teague like open 3 to drive and got blocked in the paint by Jared Allen. He also got blown past by Dinwiddie for a key possession at the end of the game. Of course if Austin Rivers hits a wide open 3 at the end of the game off a pass by Harden Houston wins.

Yeah, I'm not saying Nunnely is a complete player by any means...there's a reason he has spent most of his time in Europe or the minors. And Abe is right that the Houston situation is ideal for him to do what he does best. I'm just frustrated that we can't develop a similar corner three offense, but instead continue to rely on one-on-one offense. Maybe Ryan can change this culture, we'll see.



Speaking of one-on-one offense... did you miss the part about Harden scoring 115 points without anybody passing him the ball over the past two games?

That entire offense is literally 1-on-5 right now.

Harden's usage rate vs. Memphis on Monday was a ridiculous 61%... so that team right now is literally the worst example you could use for a free-flowing offense.

Unbelievable. Yeah, Harden is unstoppable in terms of getting off a shot, and needs no help to do it. But he also had 6 assists last night, and 12 in successive games last week and I would argue that most of those assists were to a wide open guy in the corner. Harden is unique, so it's difficult to project his style of play to any other team. But still it seems to be that a lot of teams do the second part of what Harden does...find a way to get the ball the into the corner. But not us. Creating a corner three seems to be the key to many successful offenses these days, and whether you do it the Harden way or in a more traditional ball movement way, it's effective...and the Wolves just haven't caught up.


We are 13th in the NBA in left Corner 3s in the NBA and 17th in the League in right Corner 3s.

Are we the best team ever no, but we are not bad at getting those shots as you think.

Nunnley was trash. He has one skill and that is 3 pt shooting, and he hasn't even proved he can do that at the NBA level. He is in the perfect situation all he has to do is sit there watch Harden dribble and if he receives the pass he can shoot it. His below average skill set at every other skill in the NBA is why he can only succeed with the Rockets.
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kekgeek1 wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
crazy-canuck wrote:And nunnally hits 3 3pters and logs 25 minutes off the street while we're cant give him 25 minutes in half a season when we lack 3 of shooting.

Not surprised.



To be fair... Houston is running a gimmick system. Nunnally is there to stand and wait and wait and wait and wait until he shoots an open three pointer.

I have no problem with seeing Nunnally gone after I saw how easily gimpy, broken-down Gordon Hayward blew past him a couple weeks ago.



[Note: Houston took 70 three pointers yesterday. 70! James Harden has scored 115 points over the past two games... not one of those baskets was assisted. I don't find them enjoyable to watch.]


I just watched the last few minutes of this game. Nunnally hit a 3 late in overtime and the Tockets were up 7 points with 1:31 to go and lost. He passed up a Teague like open 3 to drive and got blocked in the paint by Jared Allen. He also got blown past by Dinwiddie for a key possession at the end of the game. Of course if Austin Rivers hits a wide open 3 at the end of the game off a pass by Harden Houston wins.

Yeah, I'm not saying Nunnely is a complete player by any means...there's a reason he has spent most of his time in Europe or the minors. And Abe is right that the Houston situation is ideal for him to do what he does best. I'm just frustrated that we can't develop a similar corner three offense, but instead continue to rely on one-on-one offense. Maybe Ryan can change this culture, we'll see.



Speaking of one-on-one offense... did you miss the part about Harden scoring 115 points without anybody passing him the ball over the past two games?

That entire offense is literally 1-on-5 right now.

Harden's usage rate vs. Memphis on Monday was a ridiculous 61%... so that team right now is literally the worst example you could use for a free-flowing offense.

Unbelievable. Yeah, Harden is unstoppable in terms of getting off a shot, and needs no help to do it. But he also had 6 assists last night, and 12 in successive games last week and I would argue that most of those assists were to a wide open guy in the corner. Harden is unique, so it's difficult to project his style of play to any other team. But still it seems to be that a lot of teams do the second part of what Harden does...find a way to get the ball the into the corner. But not us. Creating a corner three seems to be the key to many successful offenses these days, and whether you do it the Harden way or in a more traditional ball movement way, it's effective...and the Wolves just haven't caught up.


We are 13th in the NBA in left Corner 3s in the NBA and 17th in the League in right Corner 3s.

Are we the best team ever no, but we are not bad at getting those shots as you think.

Nunnley was trash. He has one skill and that is 3 pt shooting, and he hasn't even proved he can do that at the NBA level. He is in the perfect situation all he has to do is sit there watch Harden dribble and if he receives the pass he can shoot it. His below average skill set at every other skill in the NBA is why he can only succeed with the Rockets.


Good points, kek. I'll concede...yeah, no great loss with Nunnaly.

I like the favorable data on offensive open corner threes. Do you have similar data on how well we defend corner threes? That ultimately might be the real issue here.
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longstrangetrip wrote:
kekgeek1 wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
longstrangetrip wrote:
monsterpile wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
crazy-canuck wrote:And nunnally hits 3 3pters and logs 25 minutes off the street while we're cant give him 25 minutes in half a season when we lack 3 of shooting.

Not surprised.



To be fair... Houston is running a gimmick system. Nunnally is there to stand and wait and wait and wait and wait until he shoots an open three pointer.

I have no problem with seeing Nunnally gone after I saw how easily gimpy, broken-down Gordon Hayward blew past him a couple weeks ago.

We give up the 3rd most left corner 3 attempts, and the 9th most right corner 3 attempts.



[Note: Houston took 70 three pointers yesterday. 70! James Harden has scored 115 points over the past two games... not one of those baskets was assisted. I don't find them enjoyable to watch.]


I just watched the last few minutes of this game. Nunnally hit a 3 late in overtime and the Tockets were up 7 points with 1:31 to go and lost. He passed up a Teague like open 3 to drive and got blocked in the paint by Jared Allen. He also got blown past by Dinwiddie for a key possession at the end of the game. Of course if Austin Rivers hits a wide open 3 at the end of the game off a pass by Harden Houston wins.

Yeah, I'm not saying Nunnely is a complete player by any means...there's a reason he has spent most of his time in Europe or the minors. And Abe is right that the Houston situation is ideal for him to do what he does best. I'm just frustrated that we can't develop a similar corner three offense, but instead continue to rely on one-on-one offense. Maybe Ryan can change this culture, we'll see.


Speaking of one-on-one offense... did you miss the part about Harden scoring 115 points without anybody passing him the ball over the past two games?

That entire offense is literally 1-on-5 right now.

Harden's usage rate vs. Memphis on Monday was a ridiculous 61%... so that team right now is literally the worst example you could use for a free-flowing offense.

Unbelievable. Yeah, Harden is unstoppable in terms of getting off a shot, and needs no help to do it. But he also had 6 assists last night, and 12 in successive games last week and I would argue that most of those assists were to a wide open guy in the corner. Harden is unique, so it's difficult to project his style of play to any other team. But still it seems to be that a lot of teams do the second part of what Harden does...find a way to get the ball the into the corner. But not us. Creating a corner three seems to be the key to many successful offenses these days, and whether you do it the Harden way or in a more traditional ball movement way, it's effective...and the Wolves just haven't caught up.


We are 13th in the NBA in left Corner 3s in the NBA and 17th in the League in right Corner 3s.

Are we the best team ever no, but we are not bad at getting those shots as you think.

Nunnley was trash. He has one skill and that is 3 pt shooting, and he hasn't even proved he can do that at the NBA level. He is in the perfect situation all he has to do is sit there watch Harden dribble and if he receives the pass he can shoot it. His below average skill set at every other skill in the NBA is why he can only succeed with the Rockets.


Good points, kek. I'll concede...yeah, no great loss with Nunnaly.

I like the favorable data on offensive open corner threes. Do you have similar data on how well we defend corner threes? That ultimately might be the real issue here.


3rd most left corner 3s, and 9th most right corner 3s. Teams shoot the 2 best FG% from the left corner and 8th best from the right corner.

So ya we are bad defending the best shot in basketball.
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