CoolBreeze44 wrote:I wasn't talking win shares, I was talking WAR.
Camden wrote:I see KG4Ever and Cool are up to their fabricating ways again. Some things never change. What's peculiar, however, is that most of our claims can easily be confirmed or denied if we took a moment to do so.
For instance, D'Angelo Russell literally had more win shares than Patrick Beverley last season. That's a fact that took two seconds to look up. Additionally, Andrew Wiggins, statistically, has not performed well in his career in the clutch despite having some memorable moments, and he certainly hasn't performed better in the clutch than Russell who essentially replaced him. These are just odd claims that are thrown out there and treated as fact when they're not. There are literally sites that track this data that are open to the public. If you don't know how to utilize those resources, there are others here that can and I'm sure would be willing to help.
And then we can move into the more subjective matter of Wiggins having better coaching than Russell, but that's a hard sell given that one played for Flip Saunders, Sam Mitchell, Tom Thibodeau, and Ryan Saunders and the other played for Byron Scott, Luke Walton, Kenny Atkinson, Steve Kerr, Ryan Saunders, and Chris Finch. If anything, they've both been hampered by a lack of stability in terms of coaching with both players having experienced the highs and lows. This claim is basically throwing shit at the wall and seeing if it sticks. It's also an odd way of trying to prop one player up over the other.
KG4Ever wrote:"He whined when he had to share the ball with Ricky and he was not thrilled with the idea of the Wolves drafting LaMelo Ball and sharing the ball."
We literally have no reporting of Russell ever "whining" about sharing the basketball or playing with Ricky Rubio. On the contrary, we have quotes that say otherwise despite the pairing being an overall ineffective one.
"With a heady player and how much experience Ricky has, I'm always learning from him and I try to listen and see how I can make the game easier for him and vice versa."
"We're all a three-headed snake trying to come to one conclusion. Ricky may have an opinion, I may have one, and coach may have one and we're just trying to dissect the best way we can and have a good finished product."
Also, before the 2020 draft, Russell was on JJ Reddick's podcast and was asked about the idea of playing with LaMelo Ball. Here's what Russell had to say:
"I wouldn't mind it, honestly, if that's what it was and that's what they see in the future. Man, I've been in so many situations, I'd attack it like any other."
All of this is either mudslinging or misremembering the past, or some combination of the two. Either way, it takes little effort to confirm or deny what we're saying here, especially when we're rehashing debate topics over and over again. Does accurate information matter anymore? I sure hope it does.
Camden wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:I wasn't talking win shares, I was talking WAR.
Cool, there is no WAR statistic for basketball. The closest we have readily available is VORP, RAPTOR, and WS. Nonetheless, my post stands. From my view, you are one of the bigger offenders in making claims without ever effectively supporting it, or just flat out being incorrect. All I'm asking for is more effort or the willingness to listen.
KG4Ever wrote:Dude, I know what I heard and read. Those quotes from DLO prove nothing. Behind closed doors, teammates may hate each other, but they will spout platitudes and compliments in public. Are you so naive?
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Camden wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:I wasn't talking win shares, I was talking WAR.
Cool, there is no WAR statistic for basketball. The closest we have readily available is VORP, RAPTOR, and WS. Nonetheless, my post stands. From my view, you are one of the bigger offenders in making claims without ever effectively supporting it, or just flat out being incorrect. All I'm asking for is more effort or the willingness to listen.
I was specifically referring to RAPTOR. They call their measurement WAR. What is inaccurate about that? Your post can stand all it wants, but it was an inaccurate, misguided reply to mine.
Camden wrote:KG4Ever wrote:Dude, I know what I heard and read. Those quotes from DLO prove nothing. Behind closed doors, teammates may hate each other, but they will spout platitudes and compliments in public. Are you so naive?
Awesome. I have no memory of that happening and considering it would be a major blemish on the team I find that rather odd. Could you provide me a link to the story? I've searched for it on my own and found absolutely nothing. I would be interested in reading it. Thanks.
thedoper wrote:Camden wrote:KG4Ever wrote:Dude, I know what I heard and read. Those quotes from DLO prove nothing. Behind closed doors, teammates may hate each other, but they will spout platitudes and compliments in public. Are you so naive?
Awesome. I have no memory of that happening and considering it would be a major blemish on the team I find that rather odd. Could you provide me a link to the story? I've searched for it on my own and found absolutely nothing. I would be interested in reading it. Thanks.
On multiple podcasts with Dane Moore and Britt Robson they have talked about the rumblings on the team being Dlo couldn't stand Ryan because of the role he had, and even mentioned that some team officials felt Dlo may have put out diminished effort once Pat Bev got his contract extension.
It was all casual talk on podcasts but there is definitely a questionable narrative around Dlo that those two are presenting as people who cover the team. I personally don't know where the truth lies. I think the main point remains that what the team will do pending the negotiations with Dlo's extension is the first major issue that Connelly has to address with the team.
Camden wrote:I see KG4Ever and Cool are up to their fabricating ways again. Some things never change. What's peculiar, however, is that most of our claims can easily be confirmed or denied if we took a moment to do so.
For instance, D'Angelo Russell literally had more win shares than Patrick Beverley last season. That's a fact that took two seconds to look up. Additionally, Andrew Wiggins, statistically, has not performed well in his career in the clutch despite having some memorable moments, and he certainly hasn't performed better in the clutch than Russell who essentially replaced him. These are just odd claims that are thrown out there and treated as fact when they're not. There are literally sites that track this data that are open to the public. If you don't know how to utilize those resources, there are others here that can and I'm sure would be willing to help.
And then we can move into the more subjective matter of Wiggins having better coaching than Russell, but that's a hard sell given that one played for Flip Saunders, Sam Mitchell, Tom Thibodeau, and Ryan Saunders and the other played for Byron Scott, Luke Walton, Kenny Atkinson, Steve Kerr, Ryan Saunders, and Chris Finch. If anything, they've both been hampered by a lack of stability in terms of coaching with both players having experienced the highs and lows. This claim is basically throwing shit at the wall and seeing if it sticks. It's also an odd way of trying to prop one player up over the other.
KG4Ever wrote:"He whined when he had to share the ball with Ricky and he was not thrilled with the idea of the Wolves drafting LaMelo Ball and sharing the ball."
We literally have no reporting of Russell ever "whining" about sharing the basketball or playing with Ricky Rubio. On the contrary, we have quotes that say otherwise despite the pairing being an overall ineffective one.
"With a heady player and how much experience Ricky has, I'm always learning from him and I try to listen and see how I can make the game easier for him and vice versa."
"We're all a three-headed snake trying to come to one conclusion. Ricky may have an opinion, I may have one, and coach may have one and we're just trying to dissect the best way we can and have a good finished product."
Also, before the 2020 draft, Russell was on JJ Reddick's podcast and was asked about the idea of playing with LaMelo Ball. Here's what Russell had to say:
"I wouldn't mind it, honestly, if that's what it was and that's what they see in the future. Man, I've been in so many situations, I'd attack it like any other."
All of this is either mudslinging or misremembering the past, or some combination of the two. Either way, it takes little effort to confirm or deny what we're saying here, especially when we're rehashing debate topics over and over again. Does accurate information matter anymore? I sure hope it does.
