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Posted: **Fri May 27, 2016 11:14 am**

I think it would require at least Dieng and 5th pick to get Jonas. Toronto would probably swap that 5th pick with third team to proven stretch power forward.

Posted: **Fri May 27, 2016 11:48 am**

Lets all just hope Bjelica becomes the answer at PF for us. I think we saw some flashes last year he can be that guy. Dieng would be a great backup for him and Towns. Then with we grab Hield with 5th we would have our shooter off the bench.

Posted: **Fri May 27, 2016 11:54 am**

Would anyone trade 5th to Bucks for Monroe, Rashad Vaughn, and 10th pick? (Not sure if we could do that with cap)

Posted: **Fri May 27, 2016 12:12 pm**

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would anyone trade 5th to Bucks for Monroe, Rashad Vaughn, and 10th pick? (Not sure if we could do that with cap)

Why would they do that? That's a king's ransom for a top 5 pick in a weak draft. A starting big, first round pick and 1 year away from being a first round pick for 1 first round pick is not equal value when the pick is 5 and not 2 or 3.

Posted: **Fri May 27, 2016 12:17 pm**

They might be desperate to unload Monroe.

Posted: **Fri May 27, 2016 12:31 pm**

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would anyone else here trade Shabazz and Dieng for Sabonis? I would love to come out of this draft wtih Hield and Sabonis.

All due respect, I really like you as a poster, but that is capital C, capital R, capital A, capital . . . "f" it, CRAZY!!!! Dieng is a proven big at this point who can play both the 4 and the 5, plays pretty well on both sides of the ball, has a versatile offensive game inside and out, plays hard, is one of the best mid-range and FT shooters in the entire league (look it up), and works great with our franchise player.

Sabonis might look like he's slightly undervalued in a weak draft, but that doesn't all of a sudden make him a guaranteed NBA starter or even a borderline starter on a good team, which Dieng would be (and will be soon).

And to throw in Bazz is just giving away more for . . . what, exactly? A potential lunch bucket 10th or 11th man? If he pans out? Count me out.

Posted: **Fri May 27, 2016 12:45 pm**

Not my best moment that is for sure. Thought was clear out guys we might not want to pay big $'s and get a cheap rookie. If we want we could through money after Dieng as a RFA a year later.

Posted: **Fri May 27, 2016 3:22 pm**

khans2k5 wrote:
JasonIsDaMan wrote:
khans2k5 wrote:If the Kings really like Dunn, do you think they would trade 8 and WCS for Dunn? They already have Cousins and Koufas at the 5 and WCS can't play the 4.

He's a better 4 than a 5.

If you trade with SAC, go for the home run. Casspi for Payne = Solo shot. Collison for Rubio = Three run. Pek for Cousins = A grand slam that lands in the bar at First Avenue.

Offensively how is he a 4? He can defend either spot so what makes him better as a 4 than 5? Would he not then be a perfect fit next to Cousins and they have their frontcourt for the next decade if he was really a 4?

He's a effin' 4 because that is the position where he plays the majority of his minutes. It's also the spot where he has the better PER split. Got a problem with it, take it up with Sacramento. Ever since your 5th birthday 10 years ago you have been posting to these boards and you still suck at it.

Posted: **Fri May 27, 2016 3:29 pm**

papalrep wrote:Collison for Rubio = Three run

STFU

You know you're right. I keep trying to figure out how the Wolves can become more productive with more productive players, instead of trying to figure out how to make them more productive with less productive players. Make it easy for me. Write your manifesto for me (and the whole board). You can call it "Father Guido Sarducci's Basketball Bible". Maybe include a chapter on how to deny you ever said that once the less productive player you suggested continues to be less productive.

Posted: **Fri May 27, 2016 3:39 pm**

Mikkeman wrote:
JasonIsDaMan wrote:Wow. This went off the rails fast. Forget the $20m per year for a second. How do we get "younger better Ben Wallace who is totally going to keep getting better" to start ahead Jonas Friggin' Valanciunas? And can we please have a bunch of posts about how the Raptors are run by a bunch of idiots who for some reason hired Dwayne Casey instead of Kurt Rambis? And maybe a few about how they totally had Johnny Flynn rated higher than Derozan? Thanking you in advance. And who knows? Maybe TOR signs Biyombo and MIN can "settle" for Valanciunas in a salary dump.

I never compared Wallace's PER to Biyomo's. I simply said that Biyombo's PER SPLIT (-.9) is very average. And I stand by that comment.

If a basketball team is good, it is because they played good basketball. You can play good basketball by either doing good things, or not letting your opponent do good things. You can't do neither of those things and still be good. Giving lots of money to a guy who really hasn't because you think he will is not bright. And simply saying that a move is not the least brightest doesn't then make it bright.

Can you win a champioship with Biyombo as your 3rd best post? Well, since TOR is 6 games away, I am going to say yes. Can you win with him as a starter? If you have 4 absolute studs surrounding him, I'm sure you can. But if you are paying him $20m, and you have to pay the others $25m, thats a $120m starting lineup for a team that doesn't even draw as well as The Wild. Is that really going to happen?

If you think that Casey would have to be idiot for not starting Biyombo ahead of Valenciunas if Biyombo is better, I guess you think also that Kerr was idiot since he was planning to start Lee ahead of Draymond Green until Lee was injured. Sometimes even good coaches find the best lineup somehow accidentally. I'm not necessarily saying that Biyombo is right now better than Valanciunas, but he is better fit for Toronto team and very important piece for them If they won't sign him, they will lose him for nothing. Since Valanciunas is also really good young center with pretty decent contract, they could get a lot in return if they would trade him. So I think Biyombo + what they would get in return if they would trade Valanciunas would be definitely better than having just Valanciunas.

If you don't believe that Biyombo is better fit than Valanciunas, go and check net rating for each player. Biyombo had slightly higher net rating over whole season (3.8 vs 3.0) but since he was new player in team it took a while to learn to play with his new teammates. So if check net rating from second half of the season, gap between Biyombo and Valanciunas is huge. (8.2 vs -0.4).

You didn't compare Wallace's PER to Biyombo but you acted like Biymbo's stat line that is pretty close to Wallace's line is just fluke. I understood that you value Ben Wallace a lot but not Biyombo and your reasoning for not valuing Biyombo is his PER splits. My comment was that if you use just PER splits for valuing players, also Ben Wallace would have looked pretty bad. So do you actually think that Ben Wallace too was average? PER in general favors high usage players and thus defensive studs like Wallace or Biyombo are vastly undervalued.

Toronto has done pretty well in post season in games that Valanciunas missed. I would argue that winning two games against Cleveland without Valanciunas means that they are legit contender even without him. I also think that Biyombo has been by far third most important player in those games after Lowty and DeRozan. So I would say that team with Biyombo as their third best player can be contender already now and since he is just 23 years old and has improved every season so far, it is very probable that he is even better in future.

So if you're not saying Biyombo is better, then what are you saying? And great job comparing yourself to Kerr. Maybe send out some resumes instead of sitting on this board constantly disagreeing with me.

I value Ben Wallace more BECAUSE HE ACCOMPLISHED MORE. As far as his PER splits, I only found '05/'06 and '04/'05, and both years were much better than this year's Biyombo.

And once again, so when Toronto resigns Biyombo, let go get Valanciunas.

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